Death penalty

Death penalty

There are 89 comments on the The Washington Post story from Apr 24, 2012, titled Death penalty. In it, The Washington Post reports that:

Dan Malloy within the next few days, Connecticut would become the 17th state to repeal the death penalty and the fifth in the past five years.

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Since: Jan 12

Commonwealth of Pennsylvania

#1 Apr 24, 2012
Countries with death penalty; Iran, China, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Syria, Belarus, and USA

If America is "land of the free" why are we on the same list of countries with the death penalty like Saudi Arabia?
Amigo

Toronto, Canada

#2 Apr 24, 2012
STORM WARNING

Sioux City, IA

#3 Apr 24, 2012
THE DEATH PENALTY should be enforced in america, for those crimes in murder and child rapes and etc those crimes that the evil the plotting the planning on murder as those like scott peterson.

hanging should be put back in not lethal injection for people to see , those that even the bible says are cursed that hang on a tree for crimes they did to another human being. some should be doctors and nurses too and leaders and traitors to the american people that are in washington d.c today..

those that purposely lie in court to corrupt courts should also lose everything thing they have , and spend minimum of 10 years to throw a courts decision in truth,

to stop evil as we see that has taken over america.
traitors , murders , gay pedophiles, rapist, evil people,
should get death so governors so evil , cannot let the evil like they are loose again that got life in prison, for purposely murdering people.

perjury should also have severe penalties where guilty walk out the door of courts laughing with those evil in courts , while innocent suffer, and false records written and lies , NOT TRUTH.

DEATH BY HANGING, AND NOT YEARS LATER, IF TRUTH IS FOUND WHAT THEY DID IN MURDER WAS P[LOTTED AND CONSPIRED , DEATH BEFORE THE YEAR IS UP, AND CLOSURE TO THE FAMILY OF THE ONE THEY MURDERED , AND A CHILD THEY RAPED AND DID EVIL TO.

EVEN TO THOSE IN MEDICAL THAT ARE NO LESS MURDERERS , BUT HAVE A LICENSE TO MURDER , SO EVILLY, TO DRUG PEOPLE, AND USE THE POOR CHILDREN AND MEN AND WOMEN AS GUINEA PIGS AS SOME DO.
KNOWING THE EVIL THEY ARE DOING AS EVIL AS HITLER'S DOCTORS BROUGHT HERE AFTER HOLOCAUST . THAT IS SO EVIL IN AMERICA TODAY, THAT OUR STATE LEADERS KNOW ABOUT.
TRAITORS TO AMERICAN PEOPLE. DESERVES DEATH, AS ABRAHAM LINCOLN , EVEN SOME THAT ARE GETTING RICH USING JESUS NAME IN VAIN , LYING AND DECEIVING PEOPLE THAT HAVED TURNED CHURCH INTO THEIR GREEDY BUSINESS . LIVING LIKE KINGS , NEED TO BE STOPPED , AND GIVEN SEVERE PUNISHMENT OF LIFE , FOR THEIR EVIL LIES TO PEOPLE.

NOT THE MINISTRY OF JESUS AT ALL.
STORM WARNING

Sioux City, IA

#4 Apr 24, 2012
many people suffer in america because people so evil i mentioned stand with evil and lie to people.

NOT THE AMERICAN WAY THAT ONCE MADE THIS NATION GREAT.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#5 Apr 24, 2012
Wat the Tyler wrote:
Countries with death penalty; Iran, China, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Syria, Belarus, and USA
If America is "land of the free" why are we on the same list of countries with the death penalty like Saudi Arabia?
So the tax payer should be burdened with the support of a murderer until such time as they pass??

Making a conscious decision to commit a crime which carries the death penalty has nothing to do with "freedom" other than having the freedom to commit the crime.

Newsflash: Actions come with consequences..

Since: Jan 12

Commonwealth of Pennsylvania

#6 Apr 24, 2012
akpilot wrote:
So the tax payer should be burdened with the support of a murderer until such time as they pass??
Making a conscious decision to commit a crime which carries the death penalty has nothing to do with "freedom" other than having the freedom to commit the crime.
Newsflash: Actions come with consequences..
It costs more tax payers to execute criminals than to lock them up. Look it up.

Also what if someone who is put to death is innocent? I would rather see 1000 real criminals gets away with murder than to see a single innocent person put to death for a crime they didn't commit.

Since: Jun 07

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#7 Apr 24, 2012
Wat the Tyler wrote:
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It costs more tax payers to execute criminals than to lock them up. Look it up.
Also what if someone who is put to death is innocent? I would rather see 1000 real criminals gets away with murder than to see a single innocent person put to death for a crime they didn't commit.
Yes, the old it costs more BS..

Any good accountant can make numbers say anything they want..

BTW, how much is saved by cases in which the defendant chooses to plea rather than face the death penalty?

Yeah, they never look at those numbers..

BTW, the death penalty could be quite cheap if we stopped worrying about the "pain" the convicted might feel. How much does a rope cost?

Since: Jun 09

Twentynine Palms, CA

#8 Apr 24, 2012
Wat the Tyler wrote:
...Also what if someone who is put to death is innocent?...
You're talking about apples and oranges. If an innocent person is executed (or imprisoned, or fined, or put on probation, or forced to make "restitution") that is a shortcoming in our methodology of determining guilt or innocence. Whether or not such consequences are suitable for those guilty of such offences is another matter. Instead of donating money to groups like the ACLU to pursue endless appeals, one is truly concerned about faulty convictions should donate to legal aid, endow public defenders' offices, or support pro bono (sp?) legal hours for those accused of capital crimes so that they will get proper legal representation in the first place.

“Look at all the piggies”

Since: Sep 07

with their piggy wives....

#9 Apr 25, 2012
Card Carrying Zionist wrote:
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You're talking about apples and oranges. If an innocent person is executed (or imprisoned, or fined, or put on probation, or forced to make "restitution") that is a shortcoming in our methodology of determining guilt or innocence. Whether or not such consequences are suitable for those guilty of such offences is another matter. Instead of donating money to groups like the ACLU to pursue endless appeals, one is truly concerned about faulty convictions should donate to legal aid, endow public defenders' offices, or support pro bono (sp?) legal hours for those accused of capital crimes so that they will get proper legal representation in the first place.
Appeals are Constitutionally guaranteed. You can not just pass a law to eliminate those rights because people are too uneducated to understand them or too hateful to allow them.
How does an individual, non attorney "support pro bono (sp?) legal hours"? Pro bono means "for the public good"... it is work done for free. I guess we could make sandwiches for the lawyers.
There are no apples, no oranges. Only humans, much too often innocent humans killed by the state.

“Look at all the piggies”

Since: Sep 07

with their piggy wives....

#10 Apr 25, 2012
akpilot wrote:
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Yes, the old it costs more BS..
Any good accountant can make numbers say anything they want..
BTW, how much is saved by cases in which the defendant chooses to plea rather than face the death penalty?
Yeah, they never look at those numbers..
BTW, the death penalty could be quite cheap if we stopped worrying about the "pain" the convicted might feel. How much does a rope cost?
It does cost more. That's a fact. We learned it in Intro to Criminal justice. It has almost nothing to do with the method, it has to do with that pesky Constitution and the appeals process that it allows. It also has to do with the level of custody and the expense that that incurs.
Hangings are cheap. They are also barbaric and traumatic to observe or conduct. Heads are ripped off, bodily fluids run down the victim's legs. Sometimes it takes several minutes to die, so the condemned twists and flails about in agony.
Very civilized and totally in keeping with the spirit of the Christian Right and the new TeaO.P.

Since: Jun 07

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#11 Apr 25, 2012
Ralph Spoilsport wrote:
<quoted text>It does cost more. That's a fact. We learned it in Intro to Criminal justice. It has almost nothing to do with the method, it has to do with that pesky Constitution and the appeals process that it allows. It also has to do with the level of custody and the expense that that incurs.
Hangings are cheap. They are also barbaric and traumatic to observe or conduct. Heads are ripped off, bodily fluids run down the victim's legs. Sometimes it takes several minutes to die, so the condemned twists and flails about in agony.
Very civilized and totally in keeping with the spirit of the Christian Right and the new TeaO.P.
Imagine that, you were taught something stupid in school. That happens a lot when people fail to use critical thinking skills and simply accept whatever BS comes out of the professors mouth.

Like I said, anyone who is good with math can make the numbers say what they like.

Let's take a look at this nonsense where the death penalty is suppose to cost more than life in prison.

To arrive at this bias and BS conclusion one must ignore all of the facts. When calculating the cost of the death penalty everything is included, cost of the trial, cost of appeals, cost of housing and caring for the inmate, cost of the execution, cost of burial. Nothing is left out, we need that number to be really BIG!!!!

When calculating the cost of life in prison, all we need is the cost of the trial and the cost to house the inmate. We ignore everything else, we need that number to be small. I guess we assume these criminals will simply accept the sentence and never appeal. We ignore the numerous frivolous these inmates will clog the court system with over their life- why do you think they have cable TV, libraries, better food? We ignore the healthcare costs, which will increase with age. And that's just to name a few of the items which are ignored when making this calculation.

As far as hanging being barbaric? Go hug a tree somewhere else, I really am not concerned with the well being and comfort of a murderer.

“Look at all the piggies”

Since: Sep 07

with their piggy wives....

#12 Apr 25, 2012
akpilot wrote:
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Imagine that, you were taught something stupid in school. That happens a lot when people fail to use critical thinking skills and simply accept whatever BS comes out of the professors mouth.
Like I said, anyone who is good with math can make the numbers say what they like.
Let's take a look at this nonsense where the death penalty is suppose to cost more than life in prison.
To arrive at this bias and BS conclusion one must ignore all of the facts. When calculating the cost of the death penalty everything is included, cost of the trial, cost of appeals, cost of housing and caring for the inmate, cost of the execution, cost of burial. Nothing is left out, we need that number to be really BIG!!!!
When calculating the cost of life in prison, all we need is the cost of the trial and the cost to house the inmate. We ignore everything else, we need that number to be small. I guess we assume these criminals will simply accept the sentence and never appeal. We ignore the numerous frivolous these inmates will clog the court system with over their life- why do you think they have cable TV, libraries, better food? We ignore the healthcare costs, which will increase with age. And that's just to name a few of the items which are ignored when making this calculation.
As far as hanging being barbaric? Go hug a tree somewhere else, I really am not concerned with the well being and comfort of a murderer.
The fact that incarceration is less expensive than execution was reiterated in grad-school and he's never been refuted in any legitimate study of the actual numbers.
The cost to house an inmate includes all costs associated. i.e. guards, facility, libraries...everything.
What the flack has tree hugging got to do with being more humane and more fiscally conservative?
The former governor of Iowa, Harold Hughes, the last governor to order and witness an execution was so disgusted by what he observed that he worked to eliminate Iowa's death penalty. I knew him well, he was no tree hugger!!
Joey Sanchez

AOL

#13 Apr 25, 2012
Coddling Murderers is ideally suited for limp wristed Californians but will other Americans stand up for the victims?

“Look at all the piggies”

Since: Sep 07

with their piggy wives....

#14 Apr 25, 2012
Out of all industrialized democracies, the US is the only one the executes is citizens.
We are also the only one that doesn't have universal healthcare.
We ranked #25 in test scores for math and science.
We are #38 in life expectancy. Right after Cuba.
According to the USDA, 15% of American families are "food insecure". That is bureaucrat for not enough food to maintain decent health. 1 in 6!
How does the GOP deal with these issues? Lower taxes on the rich. Raise interest on college loans. Get rid of regs, let the polluter police themselves. The money's good. Pretend that facts are malleable and what has never worked before is the only thing that'll work now.

Since: Jun 09

Twentynine Palms, CA

#15 Apr 25, 2012
Ralph Spoilsport wrote:
Appeals are Constitutionally guaranteed. You can not just pass a law to eliminate those rights because people are too uneducated to understand them or too hateful to allow them. How does an individual, non attorney "support pro bono (sp?) legal hours"? Pro bono means "for the public good"... it is work done for free. I guess we could make sandwiches for the lawyers. There are no apples, no oranges. Only humans, much too often innocent humans killed by the state.
It's interesting that you felt it necessary to put words in my mouth. I did not claim that convicts do not have the right to appeal their convictions. I did claim that one who really cares about people being improperly convicted should support better legal representation in the first place. I don't mean to focus attention solely upon the ACLU, but they are perhaps the most well known organization. Anyway, the ACLU receives donation from non-lawyers and that group could devote more time helping convicts getter better represenation than they get in the first place. Or is pro bono work on the common please level too mundane to spark their interest? Does it lack the glory of the appealate court? Do you even care that much about those who are initially charged with murder -- or is it too early in the process, before they have served enough time on death row to be a useful political football?

Since: Jun 09

Twentynine Palms, CA

#16 Apr 25, 2012
Ralph Spoilsport wrote:
...much too often innocent humans killed by the state.
Much too often innocent humans killed are killed by other humans?

Since: Jun 09

Twentynine Palms, CA

#17 Apr 25, 2012
Ralph Spoilsport wrote:
Out of all industrialized democracies, the US is the only one the executes is citizens. We are also the only one that doesn't have universal healthcare...
No country has universal healthcare. But you are partly correct, since some countries do have universal access to healthcare rationing. You know how it goes: if someone dies because they couldn't afford a medical procedure then it's time to blame those evil capitalists. But if somebody dies because they had to wait too long on the waiting list, or because a rationing board did not grant them sufficient treatment, then that's just the price we have to pay for our social utopia.
Or, if one is fortunate enough to have the wealth of a Danny Williams (then Premier of Newfoundland), one can flee their workers' paradise for surgery in the terrible US of A.

Since: Jun 09

Twentynine Palms, CA

#18 Apr 25, 2012
BTW, I'm not a Republican. I think that the GOP has a lousy record on healthcare.

“Look at all the piggies”

Since: Sep 07

with their piggy wives....

#19 Apr 25, 2012
Card Carrying Zionist wrote:
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No country has universal healthcare. But you are partly correct, since some countries do have universal access to healthcare rationing. You know how it goes: if someone dies because they couldn't afford a medical procedure then it's time to blame those evil capitalists. But if somebody dies because they had to wait too long on the waiting list, or because a rationing board did not grant them sufficient treatment, then that's just the price we have to pay for our social utopia.
Or, if one is fortunate enough to have the wealth of a Danny Williams (then Premier of Newfoundland), one can flee their workers' paradise for surgery in the terrible US of A.
We already have rationing. The insurance companies are the gate keepers and people die because of decisions made by functionaries of insurance companies.
If a person needs an organ transplant and they happen to be on Medicaid, the hospitals will not even put you on the waiting list. They send you home to die.
There is no flood of Canadians coming into the US for health care. Those who do come are generally after cosmetic procedures and things like penile implants. The vast majority of Canadians are satisfied with their health care.
Yes, there are waiting times, but their are not hordes of Canucks dying off due to the wait. It's an inconvenience. Something to bitch about.
Canada is #12 in life expectancy, the US is #38, right after Cuba.
No Canadian goes bankrupt when they get sick.
Their system isn't perfect, but it's better than no system. It's better than social Darwinism.

Since: Jun 07

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#20 Apr 25, 2012
Ralph Spoilsport wrote:
<quoted text>The fact that incarceration is less expensive than execution was reiterated in grad-school and he's never been refuted in any legitimate study of the actual numbers.
The cost to house an inmate includes all costs associated. i.e. guards, facility, libraries...everything.
What the flack has tree hugging got to do with being more humane and more fiscally conservative?
The former governor of Iowa, Harold Hughes, the last governor to order and witness an execution was so disgusted by what he observed that he worked to eliminate Iowa's death penalty. I knew him well, he was no tree hugger!!
Yes, college, where people go to get stupid..

Then you go to the real world and realize life doesn't work the way the book said. There is a reason why people become professors, they couldn't cut it in the real world..

You should tell Harold Hughes to visit the scene of a homicide.

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