NM regulators scrap carbon emissions rules

Mar 17, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Mansfield News Journal

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. - New Mexico regulators pulled the plug Friday on the state's effort to reduce greenhouse gas emissions among coal-fired power plants, refineries and other large polluters.

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NobodyYouKnow

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No surprise. The US is a nation of crony capitalism, not people power. Democracy and the 'public good' never stands a chance when the wheels of power are greased with lobby money and back room deals.
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NobodyYouKnow wrote:
No surprise. The US is a nation of crony capitalism, not people power. Democracy and the 'public good' never stands a chance when the wheels of power are greased with lobby money and back room deals.
This is sad. The old timers will tell you how pristine the air was before the Four Corners plants were built.

Now forget about cleaning the air in NM unless the EPA does the right thing.
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Remember when PNM tearfully went to the Public Regulation Commission (the state government entity that regulates the public (holds it down) while utilities, health plan providers and insurance companies rape the public) demanding yet another outrageous rate hike to meet these new stringent New Mexico state emissions mandates? I wonder if PNM will give the consumers their money back now?
Not! Haha! You can't unrape someone after they've been raped! And there's no way Jeff Sterba is going to give back any part of his multimillion dollar salary. He wants a Lamborghini, a Ferrari, a DeTomaso, a Maserati AND a Porsche! Let the rest of us eat posole!
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The reapeal is justified. Cap and trade would have done nothing for atmospheric CO2 and would have raised utility costs in NM.

The only possible 'winner' was alternative energy companies supported by the cap and trade dollars generated from each of us in NM.

Given the federal track record of subsidizing such companies, New Mexicans would have been funding more 'solyndras' and losing money in the process.
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Fun Facts wrote:
The reapeal is justified. Cap and trade would have done nothing for atmospheric CO2 and would have raised utility costs in NM.
The only possible 'winner' was alternative energy companies supported by the cap and trade dollars generated from each of us in NM.
Given the federal track record of subsidizing such companies, New Mexicans would have been funding more 'solyndras' and losing money in the process.
Given your track record in this forum - having called you heartless a few times - I'm sure this is bad news for each person in NM.
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corruption from the Martinez administration. Another payoff to her polluting backers.
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SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Given your track record in this forum - having called you heartless a few times -.
I posted that imposing cap and trade would not reduce Co2 and it would increase costs for utility users.

I posted that the benefactors of a cap and trade program would be the alternative energy ventures, but with our experience at the federal level, investment in this industry would be expensive and risky.

You replied with "Given your track record in this forum - having called you heartless a few times.."

What was that Patriots says..


"Great minds discuss ideas. Medium minds discuss events. Lesser minds discuss people."

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin ...
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Fun Facts wrote:
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I posted that imposing cap and trade would not reduce Co2 and it would increase costs for utility users.
I posted that the benefactors of a cap and trade program would be the alternative energy ventures, but with our experience at the federal level, investment in this industry would be expensive and risky.
You replied with "Given your track record in this forum - having called you heartless a few times.."
What was that Patriots says..
"Great minds discuss ideas. Medium minds discuss events. Lesser minds discuss people."
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin ...
You always discuss people, hypocrite. You just did it in another thread:

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...
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SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>You always discuss people, hypocrite. You just did it in another thread:
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...
My posting a prediction by a public person regarding a current topic is not discussing a person.
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Fun Facts wrote:
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My posting a prediction by a public person regarding a current topic is not discussing a person.
You were gossiping about Dr Hansen as you regularly do. And without evidence.

You are not self-aware.

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The rules would have had no effect on reducing carbon emissions in New Mexico. The rules were complete B.S. pushed by Richardson in the final days of his administration, I suspect, to pad his resume.

I am no fan of PNM, but these rules needed to be yanked.

“dening those who deny nature. ”

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I wonder how long before a Canadian Providence drops the idea as well. Soon, it will only be Califronia sitting all alone and looking silly.

I cannot say that this was surprising considering how close Califronia is and how much is to be made selling electricity to Califronia. Until the it goes bankrupt again.
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You have to be a fool to put stock in this Co2 is hurting the planet crap.
This whole argument that Co2 is a pollutant is nothing but ignorance.
Increased levels of Co2 will do nothing but increase plant growth in turn yielding higher more healthy crops increasing all of our standard of living & wealth.
The Wonders of Carbon.
This never-ending variety of new products is all due to the amazing and unique features of the carbon molecule that is so adaptable and so flexible that there is no end to what new products might be made with it - from the hardest to the softest substances known. Carbon is not just the fourth most common element in the universe, but through its millions of compounds it is as ubiquitous and as necessary to life as oxygen and water.

When we turn to the animal kingdom, including mankind itself, we find too that leaping deer, frolicking seals, lumbering rhinos or thinking humans are all forms of animated carbon. In the human species we have thinking carbon through which the universe actually becomes conscious of itself. The human brain is the most complex and intricate piece of equipment in the universe. This is the organ of the human mind through which carbon not only becomes thinking carbon, but reaches the sublime heights of becoming caring, sharing, loving carbon. 
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Now consider too that this great dance of living things is not just made of carbon, but it has to be fuelled by carbon.  It needs to feed on carbon to grow and reproduce. Yet we have people who call themselves scientists or leaders of society who are so deluded with a disease called carbophobia (an irrational fear of carbon), that they label carbon a dangerous pollutant which has to be regulated and sequestered to the nether regions of the earth. For pity's sake, how can their carbon-thinking brains reach such anti-carbon conclusions?  This is not just madness; it is madness gone mad.  Mad science. Mad politicians. Mad anti-carbon activists on a mankind-hating, life-hating crusade of self destruction.  In the entire history of civilization, no mass hysteria has ever come close to being such a monstrous threat to civilization as this!

The only gateway through which carbon can enter the food chain to enable the biosphere to exist is through the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. There is no other way. It all starts with CO2 in the atmosphere. The entire chain of life starts with plants absorbing this entirely natural, colorless, odorless, absolutely non-toxic aerial gas called CO2.

They used to teach these simple facts to primary school kids, but nowadays teachers who are way off with the environmental fairies are scaring the daylights out of our children with hobgoblin stories about the evils of CO2.
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This insanity must stop.  It's time to teach the kids again and to remind the adults of this world that CO2 is the primary plant food that ends up feeding them too. They need to be told again the simple fact that the leaves on a plants have stomata through which they absorb or breathe in C02, and by a process of photosynthesis, the plants turn this CO2 into carbo(n)hydrate food for animals and man. They need reminding that more than 90% of the dry matter of plants is simply processed C02.  Whether it is a cow eating the grass or humans eating the cow, all are eating -and being fuelled - by processed CO2.
 
CO2 is as natural and as necessary to life as water and oxygen. It is not a poison. It is not a pollutant. It feeds the whole world.Unless the soil gave off carbon emissions into the atmosphere, unless the sea (which contains 90 times the amount of CO2 than  the atmosphere) gave off carbon emissions, unless the micro-organisms which comprise more than two-thirds of the world's biomass gave off their carbon emissions, unless the termites gave off their carbon emissions, unless cattle gave off their  carbon emissions (their belching and flatulence actually give off more carbon emissions than the entire human transport system), and unless we as part of this tapestry of life gave off carbon emissions, then life could not go on for the simple reason that the plants would have no food by which to grow, and then no creature on earth would have anything to eat. For life to go on, the carbon used to make all living things and to feed all living things, must be circulated back from whence it came to start the life-cycle all over again.  Every form of life simply borrows the carbon by which it lives only to give it back again. We give some of it back when we breathe, we give some of it back in our bodily wastes and we give the last bit of it back when the shovel thumps the ground on top of us.

Demonizing Carbon is a Dangerous Nonsense
Be warned: this dangerous eco-Taliban wants to subject us to a carbon taxing, carbon regulating police state.  It surely has to stand to reason that you can't regulate human carbon emissions without regulating every aspect of human existence - and that would be more totalitarian than anything the world has ever known.  This is a religio/political ideology masquerading as science. Their plans to decarbonize our footprint and to decarbonize our economy will reduce our civilization to a weakened and impoverished state of carbo-anorexia.  Does that sound like a lot of fun?
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People need to be told the plain truth that much higher carbon emissions and much higher levels of atmospheric CO2 than we see at present would mean more plant food, more plant growth and more food for man and animals to eat. Carbon is the greenest stuff on the planet. The anti-CO2, anti-carbon people are anti-green, anti-life, and anti-nature.  Their own fight against carbon has trapped them in their own self-deception and lies. The so-called Green movement is anti-green and anti-environment. 

Plant nursery operators know that CO2 enrichment of the air in the nursery house means that the plants grow quicker, have bigger roots and get by on less water.  Certainly every indoor tomato grower in New Zealand, Australia, Holland or anywhere for that matter knows that he can increase the yield of tomatoes 40% simply by increasing the CO2 content of the air by about 300%. What's good for plants is good for animals because animals and plants evolved together and share a common basis in life based on cells.
More and more evidence accumulates that in an ideal world we would have 1000 to 1500 ppm of CO2 in the atmosphere instead of 385 ppm (a mere 0.0385% of the atmosphere) as we have now, or a 280 ppm that the carbophobics would take us back to if they have their way. That level of CO2 happens to be only a tad higher than the point at which plants suffocate for lack of CO2. (See the Wikipedia article on CO2) 300% to 400% higher levels of CO2 will have no adverse impact on humans or animals. In evolutionary history, the explosion of life-forms took place during the Cambrian Age when there were many times more CO2 in the atmosphere than we have today.  Besides, humans work in indoor tomato-growing facilities and indoor offices where the CO2 levels are around 1,000 ppm.
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In the theory of the global warming alarmists, CO2 has heat-trapping properties, meaning that the more CO2 builds up in the atmosphere, the warmer the world will become. 
 
There are some inconvenient facts, however, that destroy this theory:
 
(1) CO2 is only a small player when it comes to greenhouse gas, more than 90% of which is water vapour – and who gets paranoid about water vapour? 
 
(2) The earth and her systems – including the very complex climate system – are robust, resilient and self-regulating. Apparently, they easily adjust to a bit more CO2 just as easily as all the plants and animals do.
 
(3) The proof of any scientific theory is in observing and measuring what takes place in the real world irrespective of what computer modeling might indicate. While CO2 levels have continued to rise over the last decade, world temperatures have begun a downward trend. If the current behavior of the sun with its diminished sun-spots and magnetic strength is any guide, and if the recent changes of the Atlantic and Pacific Decadal Currents are any guide, then this cooling trend will continue for a least another 20-30 years – all proving that C02 never was and never can be a primary driver of climate.
 
Carbophobia - the irrational fear of carbon - has become the disease of our age, the religious myth of our time and the apocalyptic delusion of this moment of history.  It can be cured, however, with a good dose of common sense.

IN OTHER WORDS, IF BUY INTO THIS MAN MADE GW LIES CRAP & DECEPTION YOUR A FOOL. YOU CAN WRITE A CHECK BUT LEAVE MY WALLET ALONE.
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http://climatedepot.com/ You greenies are soon to be considered nothing more than the lunatic fringe you are. The carbon trading scam has been exposed and is falling apart. The London Stock exchange has closed the carbon trading desk due to inactivity.
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Bassamn3 wrote:
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another ignorant out-of-state, internet "scientist" spammer.

Butt out.
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Great wrote:
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another ignorant ..
Imagine he's a new denier. He blasted trash five times.

He knows his stuff is not as simple as human-induced global climate change is happening.

I'm out of state but I love NM.

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