US-Mexico governors conference languishes

Sep 29, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The State

New Mexico is again the only U.S. state that sent its chief executive to an annual conference of governors from the Mexican and U.S. states along the border, fueling questions about whether the 30-year-old tradition has lost its way.

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What's the use?!!!
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There is no use. Mexico isn't going to stop its hostile ways and the USA is growing tired of it. The time for talk and compromise has passed; Mexico shot itself in the foot on this one.

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Free is free wrote:
There is no use. Mexico isn't going to stop its hostile ways and the USA is growing tired of it. The time for talk and compromise has passed; Mexico shot itself in the foot on this one.
Agreed.

Mexico cannot even protect it's own public officials from violence, let alone it's citizens. And the violence continually affects U.S. citizens.

Mexico doesn't allow U.S. citizens to take firearms into Mexico so we can protect ourselves, I wonder if Mexico is letting Governor Martinez pack her pistol?
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Free is free wrote:
There is no use. Mexico isn't going to stop its hostile ways and the USA is growing tired of it. The time for talk and compromise has passed; Mexico shot itself in the foot on this one.
you don't read these boards much, I guess.
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Cary L Nickel wrote:
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Agreed.
Mexico cannot even protect it's own public officials from violence, let alone it's citizens.
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about Tucson already?

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about Tucson already?
Irrelevant. Apparently I'll be the first person to inform you that Tucson had nothing to do with Mexico's drug violence. Whomever told you that deceived you.

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about Tucson already?
Ya gotta remember gun nuts are.
Tejan Susana the anchor Grandbaby needed some diversionary headlines after her total failure with the special session.
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Hm, a weekend at a four star beach side resort. Hard work for NM Gov Martinez, eh. She needs the getaway, I suppose - after getting literally nothing done for 9 months. Wonder how she got there? NM state jet, maybe. Meet the new boss, same as the old.

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PlacitasRoy wrote:
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Ya gotta remember gun nuts are.
Do you have any actual proof that any significant majority of gun aficionados have serious mental health issues?
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PlacitasRoy wrote:
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Ya gotta remember gun nuts are.
Tejan Susana the anchor Grandbaby needed some diversionary headlines after her total failure with the special session.
That's OK. We'll give her a legislature she can work with RSN..:)

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PlacitasRoy wrote:
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Ya gotta remember gun nuts are.
Tejan Susana the anchor Grandbaby needed some diversionary headlines after her total failure with the special session.
Failure? Heck no!

Halting Richardson and the Democrats continued rush to drive industry and real jobs from the state, while increasing the size and scope of government and spending boatloads of public money on self-aggrandizing projects for Bill Richardson to paint his name all over was a real success for New Mexico citizens.

You seem to forget that a "total failure" to move forward with a progressive agenda is actually seen as success by real Americans.
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M Pearce wrote:
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Do you have any actual proof that any significant majority of gun aficionados have serious mental health issues?
What do you consider "significant"? According to the FBI, from 1999 to 2007 (subsequent to the Brady bill and the Crime Bill which required background checks, in part, for mental illness), the NICS database for Mental Defective File grew by 310,000. This is a list of gun license applicants that have been denied a license due to mental illness. Since states (before the Virgina Tech shootings) were not required to report their denials to the FBI, plus most gun owners prior to 1993 were grandfathered, the database is most likely hugely underestimated. So circumstantial evidence leads me to believe there is a "significant" number of gun owners out there with mental defects.
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Ueber Liberal Elite wrote:
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What do you consider "significant"? According to the FBI, from 1999 to 2007 (subsequent to the Brady bill and the Crime Bill which required background checks, in part, for mental illness), the NICS database for Mental Defective File grew by 310,000. This is a list of gun license applicants that have been denied a license due to mental illness. Since states (before the Virgina Tech shootings) were not required to report their denials to the FBI, plus most gun owners prior to 1993 were grandfathered, the database is most likely hugely underestimated. So circumstantial evidence leads me to believe there is a "significant" number of gun owners out there with mental defects.
Not real sure what a "gun license" is, but here is the lowdown from the NCIS site itself:
November,1998-August,2011, 133,931,239 checks.
7,144 [.082%] denials due to adjucated mental health issues.
And here is a number that should get you liberals hot and bothered, if current issues are any indication:
Illegal alien denial-10,636.
So it is apparent that we have more to worry about illegals attempting to illegaly obtain weapons than people with mental issues.

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Jakeco wrote:
<quoted text>Not real sure what a "gun license" is, but here is the lowdown from the NCIS site itself:
November,1998-August,2011, 133,931,239 checks.
7,144 [.082%] denials due to adjucated mental health issues.
And here is a number that should get you liberals hot and bothered, if current issues are any indication:
Illegal alien denial-10,636.
So it is apparent that we have more to worry about illegals attempting to illegaly obtain weapons than people with mental issues.
Great stats!

I, too, was somewhat befuddled by the whole "gun license" thing, since the United States does not require the licensing of firearms. The whole background check thing has nothing to do with licensing of guns, merely the transfer of guns from FFL dealers to private citizens. Private sales are not part of the equation. Apparently "straw sales" to Mexican drug cartels initiated by government officials are not part of the equation either:

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php...

One must wonder how many of those BATFE initiated "straw sales" were to those who might be otherwise considered "mentally defective"?

Being that the Obama administration is operating in "CYA" mode concerning the whole thing, with redacted documents to boot, I suppose we may never really know.

Hell, my only question concerning firearms was whether or not the Mexican government was allowing Governor Martinez to pack her pistol(s) so she could "throw down" if necessary..and look where it lead us!

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When Mexico finally addresses THEIR drug problem, and does something meaningful about it,perhaps a border Governor's conference will have some value. Until then, don't hold your breath.

We at least are incarcerating some of our drug dealers, and providing programs for users. Mexico is being run by their drug dealers.

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I couldn't give a good little damn about how few 'adjudicated' mental health nuts are blocked. It's the ones who aren't blocked, like that Tucson shooter that are the problem....and even worse are the gun nuts who wouldn't be adjudicated under any circumstances who think there is a conspiracy to take their guns (Proven by Obama's lack of doing a damn thing anything to take their guns)and supported the weapon makers' mega million lobby AKA: NRA.

Reality: The majority of people want restrictions placed on the high capacity magazines, ugly, easily concealable semi-autos, and high volume purchases.

LAPIERRE: They’ll say gun owners — they’ll say they left them alone…In public, the president will remind us that he’s put off calls from his party to renew the old Clinton ban, that he hasn’t pushed for new gun control laws…The president will offer the Second Amendment lip service and hit the campaign trail saying he’s actually been good for the Second Amendment. But it’s a big fat stinking lie!…It’s all part of a massive Obama conspiracy to deceive voters and hide his true intentions to destroy the Second Amendment in our country…Before the president was even sworn into office, they met and they hatched a conspiracy of public deception to try to guarantee his re-election in 2012.

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Ueber Liberal Elite wrote:
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What do you consider "significant"? According to the FBI, from 1999 to 2007 (subsequent to the Brady bill and the Crime Bill which required background checks, in part, for mental illness), the NICS database for Mental Defective File grew by 310,000. This is a list of gun license applicants that have been denied a license due to mental illness. Since states (before the Virgina Tech shootings) were not required to report their denials to the FBI, plus most gun owners prior to 1993 were grandfathered, the database is most likely hugely underestimated. So circumstantial evidence leads me to believe there is a "significant" number of gun owners out there with mental defects.
So you can't prove that the majority of gun nuts are actually nuts? Just a gut feeling about some of them based on circumstantial evidence on the number of folks denied the right to own a gun based on being nuts?
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M Pearce wrote:
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So you can't prove that the majority of gun nuts are actually nuts? Just a gut feeling about some of them based on circumstantial evidence on the number of folks denied the right to own a gun based on being nuts?
brother teaches gun safety in Montana. He goes with the truism that not all gun owners are nuts, but every nut has a gun or wants one. Certainly the extremism you hear and read from the gun nut crowd is a pretty good indication of at least paranoia, if not sociopathy.
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PlacitasRoy wrote:
I couldn't give a good little damn about how few 'adjudicated' mental health nuts are blocked. It's the ones who aren't blocked, like that Tucson shooter that are the problem....and even worse are the gun nuts who wouldn't be adjudicated under any circumstances who think there is a conspiracy to take their guns (Proven by Obama's lack of doing a damn thing anything to take their guns)and supported the weapon makers' mega million lobby AKA: NRA.
Reality: The majority of people want restrictions placed on the high capacity magazines, ugly, easily concealable semi-autos, and high volume purchases.
LAPIERRE: They’ll say gun owners — they’ll say they left them alone…In public, the president will remind us that he’s put off calls from his party to renew the old Clinton ban, that he hasn’t pushed for new gun control laws…The president will offer the Second Amendment lip service and hit the campaign trail saying he’s actually been good for the Second Amendment. But it’s a big fat stinking lie!…It’s all part of a massive Obama conspiracy to deceive voters and hide his true intentions to destroy the Second Amendment in our country…Before the president was even sworn into office, they met and they hatched a conspiracy of public deception to try to guarantee his re-election in 2012.
And who exactly is going to judge who is going to be blocked, and on what grounds? You? obama? Not gonna happen.
The reason obama hasn't done anything about gun ownership has nothing to do with lack of desire, but not picking a fight he knows
he would have 0 chance of winning. You know, pesky little items such as the second ammendment, 4.5M NRA members, ETC.
Just like any typical liberal, you like to take inanimate objects, lump people together in general, then think you have an equation that should equal additional gun control on peaceful American citizens. I have several of the arms you mention, plus the HC clips to go them, and guess what? Never harmed a hair on anyone's head!
And here's a news flash for you:
Mexico already outlaws everything you mentioned, plus practically everything else, at least when it come's to their citizens. Thus their citizenship are nothing more than sitting ducks and pawns for the drug cartels. Gun controls working out real well south of the border isn't it?
In my opinion, gun ownership in this country is the soul reason the cartels have not made a serious push, at least not yet, on this side of the border. Must be a bitch when someone shoots back.
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there's one now!

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