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ALBUQUERQUE, New Mexico (AP) - * New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson headed for North

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Bill Richardson headed for North Korea on an unofficial diplomatic foray, saying Tuesday he hoped to persuade the Pyongyang regime to ease regional tensions.

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Peralta de Peralta

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#1 Dec 15, 2010
Hope they keep him.
CornDogz

Albuquerque, NM

#2 Dec 15, 2010
One way trip works for me!
dpb

Westcliffe, CO

#3 Dec 15, 2010
Well thank goodness he doesn't have to listen to the likes of you any more, and clearly he is appreciated for his talents by those with a much greater undrstanding of our collective National Interest than you two fools.
JMH3

Carrizozo, NM

#4 Dec 15, 2010
dpb wrote:
Well thank goodness he doesn't have to listen to the likes of you any more, and clearly he is appreciated for his talents by those with a much greater undrstanding of our collective National Interest than you two fools.
Yea, he's always running off somewhere to do positive things for the national interest.
Why hasn't he done anything positive for New mexico?
dpb

Westcliffe, CO

#5 Dec 16, 2010
He has -- You're just too stupid to notice -- blinded by your ignorance, bigotry and hatred.
Just me

Washington, DC

#6 Dec 16, 2010
dpb wrote:
He has -- You're just too stupid to notice -- blinded by your ignorance, bigotry and hatred.
I must be too stupid to notice too. Can you give examples for us stupid people?
CornDogz

Albuquerque, NM

#7 Dec 16, 2010
dpb wrote:
Well thank goodness he doesn't have to listen to the likes of you any more, and clearly he is appreciated for his talents by those with a much greater undrstanding of our collective National Interest than you two fools.
I see the little buttplug is still with us(DPB). Take a break and clean that fudge off your...
CornDogz

Albuquerque, NM

#8 Dec 16, 2010
Just me wrote:
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I must be too stupid to notice too. Can you give examples for us stupid people?
I've asked that before, and buttplug along with his(?) ilk were unable to cite any examples. Good luck...

“Eat me. I'm a Danish.”

Since: Dec 10

Las Cruces, New Mexico

#9 Dec 16, 2010
CornDogz wrote:
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I've asked that before, and buttplug along with his(?) ilk were unable to cite any examples. Good luck...
Well, we got the conceald carry law passed and he did reduce DWI with the "YDYDYL" campaign. We also got a medical marijuana program that is the model for the whole US and addreses the issues better than any other state.

He was corrupt, but he was an effective leader and handled his power well. Despite his shady dealings he was a fairly good leader. You just have to get past all the negative stuff and that is really hard to do.
CornDogz

Albuquerque, NM

#10 Dec 16, 2010
Sol Rebl wrote:
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Well, we got the conceald carry law passed and he did reduce DWI with the "YDYDYL" campaign. We also got a medical marijuana program that is the model for the whole US and addreses the issues better than any other state.
He was corrupt, but he was an effective leader and handled his power well. Despite his shady dealings he was a fairly good leader. You just have to get past all the negative stuff and that is really hard to do.
I'll concede the concealed carry law. that's one thing in eight years.

YDYDYL is debatable given that so many other factors affect it so I can't give on that one yet. Less convictions does not necessarily mean there was a decrease in drunk drivers. Recent articles regarding how many DWIs have fallen thru the cracks dispute the claim his commercials worked.

The MM program is a joke, and a harbinger when you look at the list of things advocates want added to it. Nothing more than a precursor agenda for full MJ approval. Besides, it's still against federal law. Woe to those who accept NMs version if/when the feds have a case of PMS.

You're right, getting past the negative crap is difficult. IMO he's the worst Governor NM has had in modern times, even worse than Toney 'pardon them all' Annoya was.

“Eat me. I'm a Danish.”

Since: Dec 10

Las Cruces, New Mexico

#11 Dec 16, 2010
CornDogz wrote:
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I'll concede the concealed carry law. that's one thing in eight years.
YDYDYL is debatable given that so many other factors affect it so I can't give on that one yet. Less convictions does not necessarily mean there was a decrease in drunk drivers. Recent articles regarding how many DWIs have fallen thru the cracks dispute the claim his commercials worked.
The MM program is a joke, and a harbinger when you look at the list of things advocates want added to it. Nothing more than a precursor agenda for full MJ approval. Besides, it's still against federal law. Woe to those who accept NMs version if/when the feds have a case of PMS.
You're right, getting past the negative crap is difficult. IMO he's the worst Governor NM has had in modern times, even worse than Toney 'pardon them all' Annoya was.
What difference does the "list of things they want added to it" make? No condition can be added unless medical science has proven MM to be effective. So there is zero chance of adding any condition to the program unless medical science has proven it effective for a certain condition. The route to add conditions is very clear. I suggest reading the law and finding out how well our bi-partisan legislators drafted the law. It is simply not up for abuse and is the model for the entitre US. Many states are adopting programs like ours to prevent the abuse you say is happening.

So we do have a great MM program. It is a great achievement and by anyone's standards is a big success. Especially from the perspective of a non user becaseu it offers the public complete protection. Bill did very little except sign the bill, but it was his bi-partisan envirnment before the presidential elections that paved the way for agreement. It showed and excellent ability to lead whether you agree with the law or not.

And despite the criminal mind, Bill was a great leader. He has a knack for it. I am nto saying he was a good Governor or a good guy, but he is not without his merits.

“Eat me. I'm a Danish.”

Since: Dec 10

Las Cruces, New Mexico

#12 Dec 16, 2010
CornDogz wrote:
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I'll concede the concealed carry law. that's one thing in eight years.
YDYDYL is debatable given that so many other factors affect it so I can't give on that one yet. Less convictions does not necessarily mean there was a decrease in drunk drivers. Recent articles regarding how many DWIs have fallen thru the cracks dispute the claim his commercials worked.
Ther ewas a decrease in drunk driving deaths, and I would say that is good. Whether it was a product of the "YDYDYL" program we can debate all day. You asked ofr somethgin good he did and not somethgin good he did that YOU agreed with.

Less deaths and a steady trend in that direction spells a good program to me. I cant make you trust him (I dont), and I cant make you like the accomplishments of a Democratic Governor, but that still does not mean there were none. There were several.

We all know how eager you are to fight, so I am not going to give you any more examples. The fact remains that he was a good leader and did make some big changes, whether or not fellws liek you respect theose achievements or not is relatively unimportant.

He certainly did a great job at taking money and greasing up his buddies. Never before has a governor (even in New Mexico) been so successful at fleecing the state. He did this by knowing how the system worked,. leading his people well, and having control of his minions. He did things for himself and he also did things for the State. Whether you like him or hate him is irrelevant. His leadership, power, and management ability speaks for itself.
CornDogz

Albuquerque, NM

#13 Dec 16, 2010
Sol Rebl wrote:
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What difference does the "list of things they want added to it" make?
Quite simply because many of the proposals I've read over the last year were/are IMO total bullshit as their proposed inclusion is aimed at legalizing MJ use. YOU claim they are legitimate and proven, I say Balderdash!

I'll not respond further as it is apparent you want to argue MM laws as opposed to what Billy Triple Chins has or has not done for the residents of NM. Your argument(s) regarding MM use fall upon deaf ears for the reason I stated. Bueno Bye as it relates to MJ use. If you wish to discuss other issues, kewl.

“Eat me. I'm a Danish.”

Since: Dec 10

Las Cruces, New Mexico

#14 Dec 16, 2010
CornDogz wrote:
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Quite simply because many of the proposals I've read over the last year were/are IMO total bullshit as their proposed inclusion is aimed at legalizing MJ use. YOU claim they are legitimate and proven, I say Balderdash!
I'll not respond further as it is apparent you want to argue MM laws as opposed to what Billy Triple Chins has or has not done for the residents of NM. Your argument(s) regarding MM use fall upon deaf ears for the reason I stated. Bueno Bye as it relates to MJ use. If you wish to discuss other issues, kewl.
Requests for new conditions are proposed to the medical review board. Whether they are "balderdash" or not is irelevant. In front of that board the requestor shows the medical science that proves marijuana has been proven effective. If the science does not prove that it is effective the condition is denied. If the science is there it goes to teh DOH Seccy for his signature. The signature is difficult to get.

You have read proposals for new conditions? Where? These proposals are brought before the medical board in person by a patient and their advocates. You may have read what people have proposed, but in doing that you will see that each and every proposed additon has been proven scientifically or it has been rejected.

You asked for examples and I gave them to you. Our MM program is the model for the US and was an excellent pice of legislation. Now you are spouting lies about the program in order to disparage it.
The fact is anyone can propose anything and this has no bearing at all on the program nor the quality of the law. The fact remains that the program has only allowed very few new conditions and the safeguards built into the program preclude any abuse.

If you have any evidence where a condition has been added without solid medical research I would like to see it. Otherwise you are spewing false claims and making the program into something it was carefully designed NOT to be.
CornDogz

Albuquerque, NM

#15 Dec 16, 2010
Sol Rebl wrote:
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Ther ewas a decrease in drunk driving deaths, and I would say that is good. Whether it was a product of the "YDYDYL" program we can debate all day. You asked ofr somethgin good he did and not somethgin good he did that YOU agreed with.
You are attributing the decrease as something he did, which is what our discussion was originally about, yet you have nothing to show that he played a positive part in any decrease, nor have any of the media outlets, nor has his own spin doctor for that matter. Overall a decrease is a GREAT thing, and if shown he's responsible then I'll give him his props.
Sol Rebl wrote:
<quoted text>We all know how eager you are to fight, so I am not going to give you any more examples.
Hogwash, you want to give him props for stuff you nor anyone else can substantiate. I'm more than happy to discuss issues, but don't piss down my back and tell me its raining.
Sol Rebl wrote:
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He certainly did a great job at taking money and greasing up his buddies. Never before has a governor (even in New Mexico) been so successful at fleecing the state. He did this by knowing how the system worked,. leading his people well, and having control of his minions.
That I fully agree with. The people and the Legislature allowed this to happen and we deserve what we got, one damned good fleecing! Which begs the questions, did we learn anything from his 8 year fleecing of the Sheeple or not? Will we allow future administrations the same leniency we gave him so we can potentially be fleeced again?

“Eat me. I'm a Danish.”

Since: Dec 10

Las Cruces, New Mexico

#16 Dec 16, 2010
CornDogz wrote:
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Quite simply because many of the proposals I've read over the last year were/are IMO total bullshit as their proposed inclusion is aimed at legalizing MJ use. YOU claim they are legitimate and proven, I say Balderdash!
I claim that additions to the list of conditions are proven scientifically. I never said that all proposals that have ever been brought before the medical review board were legitimate.

That is a test of the effectiveness of the program is it not? The ability to tell the difference between a legitimate condition and a false claim?

If you can show one condition on that short list of allowed conditions that have not had a dearth of solid research to back them up I will cease. And if you can state one proposed condition that you have "read the proposal" simply name that proposed condition that you thought was "balderdash". I will bet that you have never been privy to any condition nor its evidence presented to the medical review board.

All you have to do is name the condition that you "read the proposal" to have it included. And please tell me where you read that proposal because I dont know of any that have been published to the public. It has all been a matter of the review board hearing the evidence and reviewing the medical research.

“Eat me. I'm a Danish.”

Since: Dec 10

Las Cruces, New Mexico

#17 Dec 16, 2010
CornDogz wrote:
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You are attributing the decrease as something he did, which is what our discussion was originally about, yet you have nothing to show that he played a positive part in any decrease, nor have any of the media outlets, nor has his own spin doctor for that matter. Overall a decrease is a GREAT thing, and if shown he's responsible then I'll give him his props.
<quoted text>
Hogwash, you want to give him props for stuff you nor anyone else can substantiate. I'm more than happy to discuss issues, but don't piss down my back and tell me its raining.
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That I fully agree with. The people and the Legislature allowed this to happen and we deserve what we got, one damned good fleecing! Which begs the questions, did we learn anything from his 8 year fleecing of the Sheeple or not? Will we allow future administrations the same leniency we gave him so we can potentially be fleeced again?
Well, YDYDYL was his program. It was put in place to reduce drunk driving and it did that. The media and his spin doctors have taken credit for it. It worked well. You can ignore it if you want, but you asked the question, I answered it and now you are all over the map trying to say that his program had nothing to do with the numbers when everyone knows that it did.

Less death and drunk driving in New Mexico. He did work on it and got results. like it or not it was his program and it was successful.

Ditto for concealed carry. Good idea, good program. A score for Richardson no matter how much you hate to admit it.

And a good MM program. You can lie all you want but it is the model for the US and is lauded as the most conservative and bullet proof MM program in the US. All you can do is lie about things that didnt happen to disparage it.

Spaceport? Like it or not it was a success. Will it bring jobs and economic development? Who knows? He dreampt it up, he got it pushed through and it is a reality. So in at least some form it was a success. It is a project that met with reality.

Rail Runner? Well, no doubt we needed transportation. I believe we should hve had a large bus sytem that served the entire state for much less. But hey, we have the Rail Runner. It was a project completed. You can agree or disagree but that is a personal opinion. And success for Bill is not measured by Corn Dog's opinion. He set out to build a light rail and he did that. So just like the Spaceport there was a success there. Like it or not.

The revamp of the food stamp program as a success. It costs us much less now to distribute assistance because it is now electronic. A huge savings. Well, some may disagree with food stamps and you can adopt a pissy attitude about it but the fact is that we can serve more people now for much less and do it electronically. Bill championed that. It was a successful program and still is.

The Capitol Building Plan was a great thing. Before we had no strategy to manage or develop infrastructure utilized by State Departments. Now we do. It lays out a strategic plan that keeps us in cheaper State Owned Buildings rather than leasing new privately owned buildings at a huge loss. It forces agencies to seek lower cost alternatives to opulent offices leased from political buddies. I think it is a great thing. You may not.

So despite the fact that he is corrupt, and despite the fact that his politics dont agree with yours he did have some success. It is not all bad. And as much as I dislike Bill, I also dislike people who spin things for a solely partisan reason. It is just sour grapes and only serves to divide us.

“Eat me. I'm a Danish.”

Since: Dec 10

Las Cruces, New Mexico

#18 Dec 16, 2010
CornDogz wrote:
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Will we allow future administrations the same leniency we gave him so we can potentially be fleeced again?
Yes we will. Because partisans will defend their new girl to the end and refuse to see anything is wrong. Just like Bill and his supporters. We get ourselves so twisted up during the election and SWEAR our candidate is so pure that it is difficult for us to admit we are wrong.

So yes. we will do it again. And again and again as long as htey can spend campaign money and instil that almost religious zeal for a lackluster candidate.

It would not happen if the average voter could simply admit they are capable of being hoodwinked so easily.
CornDogz

Albuquerque, NM

#19 Dec 16, 2010
Sol, you have nothing to back up that the YDYDYL pgm was successful because Richardson got TV time saying that along with some billboards. Your implication is that because HE said it, people LISTENED. Highly unlikely, but deaths decreasing no matter what from is a good thing.

I already said concealed carry was a good thing too, and gave $Bill his props for that. In this violent society and with the broken justice system NM has, this is a necessary approach IMO.

Your logic for the Spaceport being successful is seriously flawed. It is being built, but at what cost to residents of the state and the area? Could those monies have been better used for other projects that would have better long term benefits? Once completed(if ever) it will dry up like most of his insane ideas, like a fart in the wind. Few in this society can afford a $200,000 flight, and fewer will remain to spend money in NM. We are not nor will we even be on the high society radar. Just because its being built lends no credence to its success or not, nor does the fact it was $Bills pipe dream in and of itself mean it was successful.

The FailRunner (aka the state employee express) has cost this state millions and millions, yet still serves less than 1/4th of 1% of the states population. Its usage is so poor they have had to decreased service because it is so inefficient. Its cost has got to be included when one measures success and what it accomplishes. Just because it CAN move people doesn't mean it will. Almost every pub transpo system operates at a loss, and that's ok, but at HOW MUCH of a loss is a serious consideration. Your logic in this is as flawed as that of a FOOL I used to discuss the FailRunner with. Look at the addt'l costs they have spent and may well spend more for, for the unneeded track to the CO border, all recent news.

$Bill applied the same common sense as most other states with regard to EBT cards. It wasn't his idea but if you want to give him credit for it, so be it. More than likely it was the Legislature who pushed the idea but...

Perhaps the oak and marble in the Capitol bldg help him make better decisions, but the vast majority of those he has made must have been made outside that magical domain. Since he's spent so much time on the road traveling and not attending matters at home, I think my response has merit.

So despite what you assert, there is little to show he's been a good Governor or steward of the public's affairs or purse strings - other than concealed carry.

“Eat me. I'm a Danish.”

Since: Dec 10

Las Cruces, New Mexico

#20 Dec 16, 2010
CornDogz wrote:
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I've asked that before, and buttplug along with his(?) ilk were unable to cite any examples. Good luck...
I cited an example. Several. And on all of them it is only your opinion that was the deciding factor. I agree with your asessment of Bill 100% yet your attitude and ego wont let you be objective. Two sides to all stories and you simply refuse to see the other side. Your political stance blinds you to the fact that he was not ALL bad.

The world is not black and white and neither was Richardson's career. Neither will Susana's be.

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