Utica Police layoffs and demotions be...

Utica Police layoffs and demotions become a reality

There are 30 comments on the WUTR story from Apr 3, 2012, titled Utica Police layoffs and demotions become a reality. In it, WUTR reports that:

The Utica Police Department layoffs have become a reality. Twelve police officers have been laid off while 23 have been demoted.

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Since: Mar 12

Waterville, NY

#28 Apr 4, 2012
Concerned citizen wrote:
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BUT, there are also "clerical" positions that have to be done by a Police Officer due to legal and privacy issues.
That's simply not true. That's like saying a doctor has to do his own typing to prevent medical information from being compromised.[Bad example since Utica cops make more than most local Drs.]
Concerned citizen wrote:
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I also forgot to previously mention that 15 of the Investigators were eliminated leaving only 10 Investigators to do what they do best - investigate and arrest those that are guilty of committing crimes.
They are the worst of the bunch. Much of their "investigative" work is based upon the word of snitches who intentionally give outdated info for leniency and then laugh about it. Try to call burglary and chances are you will get a recording. Waited 3 days for a response, then had to go to desk sargent for a response.

Also, do you really need a cop to watch the kids get on buses on Lenox St. Cop in the car gets $70K/yr. Crossing guard out in the rain gets $10K. No better sign of the apocalypse than that!
WISHIN

New York, NY

#29 Apr 4, 2012
wishin Cornell May came back here to see what became of the city.

“Getting To The Meat Of It”

Since: Sep 11

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#30 Apr 4, 2012
Utica taxpaper wrote:
<quoted text>This is an excellent idea!
My only question would be - where is the money going to come from the pay for this Non Police Officer Unit?
Well here is one posibility. Like they did for the Armadilo's. Go to the Carbones and Steets and get them to sell three cars each for ten dollars to fund the project. There is plenty of equipment around to outfit the auto's.

Now if you paid the employee $9 an hour, 24hrs. a day, 365 days a year, it totals $78,600 a year. Part time employees, so no benefits. If one officer retires, and isn't replaced, he could fund the whole year.(And we save on his benefits ect.) I think it wouldn't take much to find the money to pay three, not just the one above.
wrong

Utica, NY

#31 Apr 4, 2012
Get real wrote:
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Don't start crying when some desperate person robs you with a gun or knife right in your own home. Cutting public safety is never a good idea.
You're an idiot if you think the cops can get to your home before you've already been robbed and killed. The will come only to document they scene of your murder.

The cops can't protect you. Most police forces are worthless and have very little interest in "public safety".
Genius

Syracuse, NY

#32 Apr 5, 2012
Concerned citizen wrote:
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BUT, there are also "clerical" positions that have to be done by a Police Officer due to legal and privacy issues.
I also forgot to previously mention that 15 of the Investigators were eliminated leaving only 10 Investigators to do what they do best - investigate and arrest those that are guilty of committing crimes.
The privacy issue is BS. The investigators ? They may not get paid investigators pay, but they still are working as investigators. They didnt go back in patrol...fact !

“Getting To The Meat Of It”

Since: Sep 11

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#34 Apr 5, 2012
Utica taxpaper wrote:
<quoted text>Your suggestions hold a lot of merit -BUT- I doubt the Carbones & Streets would be willing to "donate" an amount of money totalling approximately $50,000+ EACH. But, on the other hand, it would be worth pursuing this idea.
I've already asked about your second solution of hiring a clerical person to input statistics, etc. to Chief Williams. His comment was there was never any allotment made in the City Budget for clerical help in the past and it is highly doubtful the Common Council would approve of one now.
I like your way of thinking as you have made some excellent recommendations to help (not critize) the financial mess our City is in and will be for a long time. Have you ever thought of getting into politics!!!!! You are just the type of person we need to clean up our City and get it back on track.
Thank-you for your good comments. I don't think I am cut out for the life of a politition. I have been in business all my life and have done very well.

All of my suggestions are things I have seen in practice, in various areas of the country. And they are working very well. I'm sure the P.D. has vehicles in their fleet now, that could be used for the cause. The Chief has never had mony for this, because he has never ask for it. These are not clerical positions, these are actual current patrol duties that need a seperate title. Remember the Chief was a Union guy, before. The Council has to look into actual recomendations, not just cuts.
glip

Poplar Bluff, MO

#35 Apr 5, 2012
Concerned citizen wrote:
<quoted text>Nope - I'm just a single lady who owns her own home and live alone - hoping and praying no one breaks into my home and there is no available police car that can come to my rescue.

You might also want to know I worked in private business for over 40 years and now enjoying the perks of retirement. What have you done with your life that makes you so insulting and non-caring?
Buy a firearm. It is economics. If the community cannot afford a police department or if crime is increasing it just makes sense to arm yourself.

If you do not feel safe. Get some heat and learn to use it. I live in a very peaceful place and I don't know anyone who doesn't have access to fire arms.

You break into a house around here and a neighbor is very likely to put a hole in you..

I have not seen a police officer in my neighborhood in over a year....
The Wig Guy

Rome, NY

#37 Apr 5, 2012
Or you can all keep paying yearly tax increases and they can keep shooting people's dogs, updating thier facebook comments and kciking in your doors over plants.
Geo

Moravia, NY

#39 Apr 15, 2012
Does anyone know which officers got laid off or demoted?
sid

Framingham, MA

#40 Oct 16, 2012
It's not just utica its all of ny. too many state workers with 90% of them getting over paid. look the state don't have the people it used to or the money it used to. some jobs have to go. whats the point in having say 200 teachers when you only have 50 kids? utica used to have 100,000+ people back 50 years ago now its 60,000. something has to be cut no matter who it is and like i said its not just utica its the state. the state needs to cut the fat. you can not run a state on just state jobs you need others as well. bring in more manufacturing and ax the fat in state jobs.

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