Utica Police layoffs and demotions be...

Utica Police layoffs and demotions become a reality

There are 30 comments on the WUTR story from Apr 3, 2012, titled Utica Police layoffs and demotions become a reality. In it, WUTR reports that:

The Utica Police Department layoffs have become a reality. Twelve police officers have been laid off while 23 have been demoted.

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about fricking time

New Hartford, NY

#1 Apr 3, 2012
now start cutting the firemen
Get real

Lowville, NY

#3 Apr 3, 2012
about fricking time wrote:
now start cutting the firemen
Don't start crying when some desperate person robs you with a gun or knife right in your own home. Cutting public safety is never a good idea.
shutup concerned fireman

Cortland, NY

#4 Apr 3, 2012
concerned Utican wrote:
Don't start crying when your house burns down to the ground for lack of Firemen available to respond to an alarm quick enough. The UFD has already been "cut" by many taking early retirement.
They also closed a Fire House and went from 5 Firemen maned Stations down to only 3 (doing the jobs of 5).
Remenber the Common Council puppets the next time you become a victim of a crime all because there are not enough Officers to respond to your cry for help!
There were plenty of other ways to make "cuts" lowering the City Budget than to jeopordize the safety of all of us, including the Officers themselves.
the only things jeopardizing this city are all the thieves and criminals, both street thugs and thugs with badges. We have way too many fat ass lazy fireman making way too much money on the city payroll. Hire some young kids who are willing to work for a fair wage and they'll be able to protect the city better with less.

I agree with you though that there are plenty of other ways to make cuts, starting with the police department, dpw, and city hall. I agree that they need the fat trimmed there too.

Sure hope you are one of the lazy bastards on the chopping block. Next.
judas

United States

#6 Apr 3, 2012
totally agree and go volunteer and save us smuck taxpayers thousands
zeeker

Ithaca, NY

#7 Apr 3, 2012
Too much fluff in the police and fire department. Just look at the Labella appointment - big waste of money. Does UPD need all the captains and/or Lieutenants they have? All the departments need to be reviewed and cut at the top!!!
EU Wop

Syracuse, NY

#8 Apr 3, 2012
concerned Utican wrote:
Don't start crying when your house burns down to the ground for lack of Firemen available to respond to an alarm quick enough. The UFD has already been "cut" by many taking early retirement.
They also closed a Fire House and went from 5 Firemen maned Stations down to only 3 (doing the jobs of 5).
Remenber the Common Council puppets the next time you become a victim of a crime all because there are not enough Officers to respond to your cry for help!
There were plenty of other ways to make "cuts" lowering the City Budget than to jeopordize the safety of all of us, including the Officers themselves.
Chief Brooks, we told you before to stop posting on Topix.
no ones respects cops

New Hartford, NY

#9 Apr 3, 2012
zeeker wrote:
Too much fluff in the police and fire department. Just look at the Labella appointment - big waste of money. Does UPD need all the captains and/or Lieutenants they have? All the departments need to be reviewed and cut at the top!!!
no doubt we could save lots of money just by cutting the fatasses at the top.
imaginaryfriend

Sterling Heights, MI

#10 Apr 3, 2012
The War on Workers is a direct result of Trickle-down Reaganomics put on steroids by the bush/cheney disaster.
Ryan's GOP budget would kill the middle class and the poor.
Know your enemy.

“Getting To The Meat Of It”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#11 Apr 3, 2012
Get real wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't start crying when some desperate person robs you with a gun or knife right in your own home. Cutting public safety is never a good idea.
Public safety was not cut, it was just brought back in line. There should be no problem responding in the city of Utica.

Since: Sep 09

Syracuse, NY

#12 Apr 3, 2012
Mr Meat Head wrote:
<quoted text>
Public safety was not cut, it was just brought back in line. There should be no problem responding in the city of Utica.
True Mr.Meat Head. Also, if response is erroneously delayed or not consistent to normal response, and is out of showing "support" for their buddies that got laid off, this would open up a can of worms with violation of the Taylor Laws.

Interesting situation in Utica. Lesson should be deal with it, but I am, not sure the UPD or UFD are accustomed to with the "deal with it" situations we taxpayers face every day.
wrong

Raleigh, NC

#13 Apr 4, 2012
imaginaryfriend wrote:
The War on Workers is a direct result of Trickle-down Reaganomics put on steroids by the bush/cheney disaster.
Ryan's GOP budget would kill the middle class and the poor.
Know your enemy.
This has nothing to do with Ryan, Reagan, Bush, Cheney......

It has to do with the ability of taxpayers to foot the bill that has risen faster than their(the taxpayers) wages year after year after year. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that it can't go on that way forever. We reached the tipping point and taxpayers are pushing back against the high wages and excessive retirement benefits of public employees that they(the taxpayers) can no longer afford. It's simple math and has nothing to do with trickle down anything.
casmo

New York, NY

#14 Apr 4, 2012
concerned Utican wrote:
Don't start crying when your house burns down to the ground for lack of Firemen available to respond to an alarm quick enough. The UFD has already been "cut" by many taking early retirement.
They also closed a Fire House and went from 5 Firemen maned Stations down to only 3 (doing the jobs of 5).
Remenber the Common Council puppets the next time you become a victim of a crime all because there are not enough Officers to respond to your cry for help!
There were plenty of other ways to make "cuts" lowering the City Budget than to jeopordize the safety of all of us, including the Officers themselves.
thats fine they have a 24 hour shift to make up for the loss of 2 mens work.
Reality is

Tully, NY

#17 Apr 4, 2012
The days of giving out preferred jobs to those you like are gone. The PD has a plethora of Police Officers, doing Non-Police Jobs. These are jobs that weren't even in their job descriptions when they got hired. But, do you think they will be affected, no. Just the day-to-day cop driving around in the Patrol car gets the shaft. They have to do more with less, while people doing clerical work have to worry about getting to lunch on time for the specials. Officer safety shouldn't suffer in times like these, grant writing, accreditation, computerization, and keeping the guys you like in Investigatory positions should all be cut to make sure the cops doing the job remain safe.

The response to crap calls,'ala, Guys snowplowing across the street, dog's crapping on lawns, parking facing the wrong way, should be minimized...."we get there when we get there..." Crimes in progress, accidents take priority. If someone steals your GPS out of your unlocked car...tough. You're the dummy that left your car unlocked. Come down to the station and wait in line if you feel it necessary to make a report over a 40 buck piece of property.

There's nothing wrong with downsizing as long as work is equally distributed. Cops are cops. Whether you do the clerical work because you're a too scared to go on the street, or are on the street everyday, there is SOME Police work that needs to get done. Have the clerical people get their paper shuffling done from 8-noon, then BAM !! Out in car from 12-4. Don't like it ? There's 50 cops that'll take your cushy job. Oh, I know, you work Sooooooooooo hard, and it's Sooooooooooooo busy doing the administration's job.

But, the Reality is, no Chief, Mayor or other Politician is willing to change and be progressive. Hell, I think this City would vote for a dead Rufie Elefante if he was on the ballot. We're so stuck, as Ian Anderson says, "Living in the Past."
its a joke

Herkimer, NY

#18 Apr 4, 2012
Concerned citizen wrote:
<quoted text>Know your facts. Many of these Captains and Lieutenants were demoted in order to help with the loss of so many patrolmen.
The LaBella appointment was due to Roefaro's Family and Friends program - had nothing to do with UPD. LaBella was another one of Roefaro's appointments that received a paycheck but never showed up to work for it!!!!
Thought Labella is the public safety commissioner. If so, he runs the police dept. tell me that's not a joke!
its a joke

Herkimer, NY

#19 Apr 4, 2012
concerned Utican wrote:
Don't start crying when your house burns down to the ground for lack of Firemen available to respond to an alarm quick enough. The UFD has already been "cut" by many taking early retirement.
They also closed a Fire House and went from 5 Firemen maned Stations down to only 3 (doing the jobs of 5).
Remenber the Common Council puppets the next time you become a victim of a crime all because there are not enough Officers to respond to your cry for help!
There were plenty of other ways to make "cuts" lowering the City Budget than to jeopordize the safety of all of us, including the Officers themselves.
You are the puppet. You know nothing about public safety yet you're on Facebook and this page pretending to be a an expert commenting on cases you know nothing about. In fact, your house has not been robbed or vandalized but you pretend life is so dangerous and a high police presence is needed. You then condemn the council for attempting to correct the budget shortfall responsibly. Grow up for crying out loud you get social security.
shutup concerned fireman

Cortland, NY

#22 Apr 4, 2012
Concerned citizen wrote:
<quoted text>Nope - I'm just a single lady who owns her own home and live alone - hoping and praying no one breaks into my home and there is no available police car that can come to my rescue.
You might also want to know I worked in private business for over 40 years and now enjoying the perks of retirement. What have you done with your life that makes you so insulting and non-caring?
assuming this is truthful, then please accept my apologies for anything personally directed to you. I'm still pretty sure you're a fireman or cop but I can defer to you on that. But i stand by what i said about fatass lazy firemen sucking up way too much money.

if you are truly are huddled in your house waiting in fear for your next robbery or fire, the cops and firemen won't help you until after the fact anyway, so it doesn't matter if we cut the fat out. No one is going to preempt those things from happening unless we hire enough cops and firemen to stand on every corner lol.

lets start slicing and dicing the fat away in utica folks

“Getting To The Meat Of It”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#23 Apr 4, 2012
The Utica P.D. needs to imediately implement a Non-Police officer unit. These are civilians making much less money, sometimes even part-time. Their duty would be to investigate non-injury type accidents ect. File a report and trade information, and get out of there. These people can also be used for parking issues, traffic and other non-emergency issues. We have plenty of cars and this would free up to 50% of an officers time.

How many retired people would like to apply for this type of work ???
here is a good idea

Cortland, NY

#24 Apr 4, 2012
Mr Meat Head wrote:
The Utica P.D. needs to imediately implement a Non-Police officer unit. These are civilians making much less money, sometimes even part-time. Their duty would be to investigate non-injury type accidents ect. File a report and trade information, and get out of there. These people can also be used for parking issues, traffic and other non-emergency issues. We have plenty of cars and this would free up to 50% of an officers time.
How many retired people would like to apply for this type of work ???
great idea. just one stipulation. If you have a relative already in city government, you are ineligible to apply. too much nepotism and corruption in utica
Hollie

Rome, NY

#25 Apr 4, 2012
Mr Meat Head wrote:
The Utica P.D. needs to imediately implement a Non-Police officer unit. These are civilians making much less money, sometimes even part-time. Their duty would be to investigate non-injury type accidents ect. File a report and trade information, and get out of there. These people can also be used for parking issues, traffic and other non-emergency issues. We have plenty of cars and this would free up to 50% of an officers time.
How many retired people would like to apply for this type of work ???
1/2 of Bleecker St will be applying.
eastutica

United States

#27 Apr 4, 2012
Reality is wrote:
The days of giving out preferred jobs to those you like are gone. The PD has a plethora of Police Officers, doing Non-Police Jobs. These are jobs that weren't even in their job descriptions when they got hired. But, do you think they will be affected, no. Just the day-to-day cop driving around in the Patrol car gets the shaft. They have to do more with less, while people doing clerical work have to worry about getting to lunch on time for the specials. Officer safety shouldn't suffer in times like these, grant writing, accreditation, computerization, and keeping the guys you like in Investigatory positions should all be cut to make sure the cops doing the job remain safe.
The response to crap calls,'ala, Guys snowplowing across the street, dog's crapping on lawns, parking facing the wrong way, should be minimized...."we get there when we get there..." Crimes in progress, accidents take priority. If someone steals your GPS out of your unlocked car...tough. You're the dummy that left your car unlocked. Come down to the station and wait in line if you feel it necessary to make a report over a 40 buck piece of property.
There's nothing wrong with downsizing as long as work is equally distributed. Cops are cops. Whether you do the clerical work because you're a too scared to go on the street, or are on the street everyday, there is SOME Police work that needs to get done. Have the clerical people get their paper shuffling done from 8-noon, then BAM !! Out in car from 12-4. Don't like it ? There's 50 cops that'll take your cushy job. Oh, I know, you work Sooooooooooo hard, and it's Sooooooooooooo busy doing the administration's job.
But, the Reality is, no Chief, Mayor or other Politician is willing to change and be progressive. Hell, I think this City would vote for a dead Rufie Elefante if he was on the ballot. We're so stuck, as Ian Anderson says, "Living in the Past."
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