NY considers Medicaid for transgender surgery

Sep 29, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: CBS News

A panel advising Gov. Andrew Cuomo on ways to revamp Medicaid has proposed that the program that pays for low-income residents' health care cover surgery and therapy for transgender New Yorkers.

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The fact is, you don't know your a** from a hole in the wall.
No, I am a TS-Specific advocate who supports true-TSs without supporting TG men in drag nor other LGBTs. I have seen the 2 groups up close for years.

TGs are men who dress/live as women and are a part of the queer community.

TSs are women with a birth defect who have a need for corrective surgery and are a part of the mainstream community.

Any TS who supports TGs or TGs who supports TSs is a sellout. Nearly EVERY true-TS is against the TG lumping and certainly the LGBT lumping. The whole purpose of TS surgery is to become straight and be seen as a born member of their corrected sex and treated 100% the same and never expected to explain anything.

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TS persons have the right to the following:

1. Not be seen as transgendered nor a part of the transgendered community in any way.

2. To not be seen as LGBTs nor a part of the LGBT movement, unless they are ALSO gay in their corrected sex. Then they should go to TS groups for TS support and LGBT groups for their LGB support. Similar if a TS is also an addict. They would attend AA for alcoholic support and a TS support group (not a TG support group as most gender groups are) for their TS support.

3. To have their private spaces with only mainstream influences, and not TG/LGBT influences. That means being able to have private spaces to criticize how much TGs and other LGBTs harm mainstreamist transsexual persons.

4. To be free of double-standards. If a GG woman can be right-wing, Christian, or anti-gay, so can a TS woman, all without hypocrisy. If a TG or gay person attacked gays, that would be hypocrisy, but TS women who do so do it for the same reasons that mainstream (GG, cisgendered) women do so and should have the same freedom as women born without this condition.

This also applies to appearance, where TS women are expected to do ten times the work with their appearance to get even 1/10th the respect of other women. The TGs have harmed TSs by raising the bar on what one must do to be accepted as a woman, since TGs have ruined and cheapened what the trappings and symbols of femininity mean.

5. To discuss things or be discussed without irrelevant groups being brought up or included in the conversation. Mention TSs and most people will change the topic to TG or LGBT discussion or hijack the discussion to use to attack TGs or LGBTs. If I mention the medical condition of TSism, there is no excuse to use that as a springboard to a homophobic rant or a rant attacking civil unions.

"What do you think of transsexuals?"
"I think a marriage should be between a man and a woman."

WTF does the latter have to do with the former?

6. To be discussed without reporters going to irrelevant groups for a take on TSs. For instance, reporters nearly always ask gay men and their groups for information about TSs and never go directly to TSs. That needs to stop. If you want to know about TSs, ONLY ask TSs, not TGs nor gay men. They don't know about us and have no authority nor relevant knowledge to comment on. TSs have needs, beliefs, and ideas that TGs and other LGBTs don't have.

7. To not be outed. While TGs transition for attention and want, if not need, to be out, TSs transition to fit in, to hide, and minimize their differences. They are just like mainstream, non-LGBT women in all ways, and LGBTs want to steal this from them and destroy any acceptance which doesn't come through the LGBT first. The LGBT steals rights from transsexuals by harming their reputations and then seeks to ration them back.

8. To be considered gender conformists, not gender variant. To a true-TS, their body was wrongly born one way, and their brain was correctly wired the other way. Their gender expression is just like that of others of their identified gender, but only their bodies are different. TGs usually start with a healthy male identity and choose to discard it to become gender variant and stand out or become a "third sex." The TSs transition to remove as many differences as possible.

9. To not be chased by TGs, have their private spaces invaded by TGs, nor have TGs stalking them and keeping tabs on them. I can name TG bloggers who are bad about butting into TS-only business and interfering in TS-only matters.

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Just like men who don't know their a**hole from a vagina?

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No, I am a TS-Specific advocate who supports true-TSs without supporting TG men in drag nor other LGBTs. I have seen the 2 groups up close for years.
TGs are men who dress/live as women and are a part of the queer community.
TSs are women with a birth defect who have a need for corrective surgery and are a part of the mainstream community.
Any TS who supports TGs or TGs who supports TSs is a sellout. Nearly EVERY true-TS is against the TG lumping and certainly the LGBT lumping. The whole purpose of TS surgery is to become straight and be seen as a born member of their corrected sex and treated 100% the same and never expected to explain anything.
What you said is known as T3 (trannier than though) how he hell do you support one gourp of people and not another with the same issues. by the way TS is part of TG TG is an umbrella term decribing ALL not gender conforming people just as 1 ton pickup trucks are cars as are preius's, the way I and many people see it Gender is a spectrum some are cis others CD a few times a year, some CD several days a week, some are NON-OP TS others are pre on TS and still others are post op TS gender disphorya is much like a cold it can be very mild and take very little intervention say CDing once or twice a month or so some are annoying needing intertion only sometimes (cding a few times a week) some are so bad they render the suffer very misserable until it is fully gone(full transition and GRS, if money for GRS is avalable)

now concerning what you said, you are no better than the biggots who do all they can to hurt us by saying what you said. why do you have the right to fully transition as thats what you feel you need to do, but the person who needs to cd only once a month or so doesnt have that right? I was Assistant Chat Director of the Internets Largest Trans support and suicide prevention website and had you said what you said here you would be banned for life and many of the Gender therapists who we refer to wouldnt touch you with a 10 foot pole.

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What you said is known as T3 (trannier than though) how he hell do you support one gourp of people and not another with the same issues. by the way TS is part of TG TG is an umbrella term decribing ALL not gender conforming people just as 1 ton pickup trucks are cars as are preius's, the way I and many people see it Gender is a spectrum some are cis others CD a few times a year, some CD several days a week, some are NON-OP TS others are pre on TS and still others are post op TS gender disphorya is much like a cold it can be very mild and take very little intervention say CDing once or twice a month or so some are annoying needing intertion only sometimes (cding a few times a week) some are so bad they render the suffer very misserable until it is fully gone(full transition and GRS, if money for GRS is avalable)
now concerning what you said, you are no better than the biggots who do all they can to hurt us by saying what you said. why do you have the right to fully transition as thats what you feel you need to do, but the person who needs to cd only once a month or so doesnt have that right? I was Assistant Chat Director of the Internets Largest Trans support and suicide prevention website and had you said what you said here you would be banned for life and many of the Gender therapists who we refer to wouldnt touch you with a 10 foot pole.
Nobody should touch her with a ten foot pole. YUCK!!!!

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When you see or hear a transsexual person using the term, "tra**y freaks," it gives you an idea about their mindset. If you want to know what internalized transphobia looks like, there it is, right in front of you.

Purple, you have the right to define yourself as you wish, of course. If you want to tell people that you're a "real woman" because you are privileged enough to have accessed the medical treatments you need then go for it, no skin off my back. But when you start insulting, denigrating, marginalizing and oppressing trans* people using language that would look like S.O.P. on hate group sites like Traditional Values Coalition or MassResistence, then you're way over the line.

Your definitions or transgender people are inaccurate, inflammatory and hate filled. Why do you even bother? If you are as real a woman as any cis FAAB then why do you bother using rhetoric like that on a site like this? You do no one any good, least of all yourself.

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What you said is known as T3 (trannier than though) how he hell do you support one gourp of people and not another with the same issues. by the way TS is part of TG TG is an umbrella term decribing ALL not gender conforming people just as 1 ton pickup trucks are cars as are preius's, the way I and many people see it Gender is a spectrum some are cis others CD a few times a year, some CD several days a week, some are NON-OP TS others are pre on TS and still others are post op TS gender disphorya is much like a cold it can be very mild and take very little intervention say CDing once or twice a month or so some are annoying needing intertion only sometimes (cding a few times a week) some are so bad they render the suffer very misserable until it is fully gone(full transition and GRS, if money for GRS is avalable)
now concerning what you said, you are no better than the biggots who do all they can to hurt us by saying what you said. why do you have the right to fully transition as thats what you feel you need to do, but the person who needs to cd only once a month or so doesnt have that right? I was Assistant Chat Director of the Internets Largest Trans support and suicide prevention website and had you said what you said here you would be banned for life and many of the Gender therapists who we refer to wouldnt touch you with a 10 foot pole.
Wrong. Transsexuals are not trannies (transgender) at all, but 100% like born females. It is not about what they do, but about how they are born. Transsexual women are women born wrongly with penises and with a natural feminine gender, brain, and behavior, that comes automatic and nature. Transgender "women" are a type of male queer who was born with a healthy masculine gender, but he has a fetish for pretending he is a "woman" - man's disgusting, degrading, sexist version of a woman who dresses ridiculously and wants sex at ten times the amount of other women.

So transsexual women are a subset of genetic women since birth, while TG men in drag choose their form of queerness at some point in life. Ever TS wants/needs the surgery, while every TG male pervert doesn't. Every TS transitions to STOP being TS's and to not be perceived as TG at all, that is the goal. The goal is to be normal and destroy every difference. TG men in drag transition out of sick whim and choice, to become queers, to get to be hated to feel he is important, to pervert nature.

Transsexuals get surgery, TGs don't. There needs to be a law which punishes recreational transgenderism and supports only FULL transition for actual Transsexuals, not transgender men in drag who act masculine, focus only on sex (more than the average male pervert), and who love and sexually use their penis or get any pleasure from it. Genuine, diagnosed transsexuals are accepted the most in places where gayness and cross-dressing are illegal.

Transsexual women were supposed to be born without penises and be treated 100% as born female women, while TG male queers in drag were supposed to accept their place as men and never dress nor lives as women. The difference between TS and TG is inborn, not a matter of socialization, class, culture, etc. It is because TS women were born with the exact same nature as other women, while TG "women" were born with the nature of men and worked at trying to destroy it, but since they are violating their own nature and harming themselves, they can never fully pass as women nor be accepted as such. They give off disgusting male energy when they walk in the room. Just visit any "TG" meeting. The TSs are the conservative and low-key ones who cannot get a word in edgewise, while the TG men pretending to be women are the ones interrupting, turning the topic back to themselves or sex, and just being rude, oversensitive, and nasty, and not having any empathy. If a TS woman gets read, it is like being raped, but a TG will ALWAYS discount it.

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Emelye Waldherr wrote:
When you see or hear a transsexual person using the term, "tra**y freaks," it gives you an idea about their mindset. If you want to know what internalized transphobia looks like, there it is, right in front of you.
Purple, you have the right to define yourself as you wish, of course. If you want to tell people that you're a "real woman" because you are privileged enough to have accessed the medical treatments you need then go for it, no skin off my back. But when you start insulting, denigrating, marginalizing and oppressing trans* people using language that would look like S.O.P. on hate group sites like Traditional Values Coalition or MassResistence, then you're way over the line.
Your definitions or transgender people are inaccurate, inflammatory and hate filled. Why do you even bother? If you are as real a woman as any cis FAAB then why do you bother using rhetoric like that on a site like this? You do no one any good, least of all yourself.
I have the right to a universal term that means the same and only refers to a birth defect of women who were wrongly born with male parts, and are entitled to getting it fix, and a term that is not shared with anyone else.

Every transsexual uses surgery to correct their sex (or needs to, even if they cannot), while every TG lives as a woman for non-therapeutic reasons. Do not change the terms, but apply them steadily and solidly, with a fixed definition, and everyone who uses the wrong label needs to be arrested for fraud. If a guy calls himself a "TS woman" and he has a masculine nature and wants to keep his penis, then arrest him for fraud an put him in a male prison. Or if a TS woman calls herself a TG, arrest her for fraud, and give her a hate crime enhancement for blurring lines between TSs and TGs out of hate for TSs. There won't be full mainstream rights for TSs (not queer rights that TGs want instead) until they stop getting called TGs, and until there are official, firm unchanging definitions for TSs and TGs that are counter to each other. Labels tell you what is inside, and there are product laws that dictate correct labeling. How would you like to buy a can of food that claims to be one thing then open it to find it is something you are deathly allergic to?

If you have an inborn female nature, you will invariably want to be like any other woman in all ways. But if you were born with a masculine nature, you cannot hate your penis nor want it gone. The two go together, inborn femininity inevitably leads to wanting a vagina (or keeping the one you have), while inborn masculinity inevitably leads the person to wanting a penis attached.

By the way, you are spewing hate speech. Lumping TSs with TGs is anti-TS, anti-mainstream hate speech. Calling anyone "trannier than thou" is a form of hate speech. Calling a TS a TG is hate speech like calling a black man "the word." But a normal man who mutilated himself to be half man, half woman, truly is a freak, and by his own making, and thus calling him a freak is true and accurate, and could have been avoided if he wanted it avoided. That is what self-hate does, it turns you into a half and half freak, since you reject your real nature, and your real self won't change enough to let you enjoy the charade you create. Every TG identity, unlike TS identities, is part of the "super ego" that Freud and even Nietzsche referred to, and is thus fake and superficial. The femininity of TSs is inborn with the effeminacy of TGs is chosen. TSs transition BECAUSE they are women (every day from birth as a state of being without any desire nor will behind it), not to BECOME women. Transition for TSs is therapeutic like a medicine, while transition for TGs is frivolous and unnecessary, like drug addiction.

Oh, and I hear there this person is an expert on this topic and can shoot down all your arguments:

http://purplespeaks.wordpress.com

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My definitions are correct. The HRC, PFLAG, and others hijacked the correct definitions to slander transsexuals and forcibly include them with gay and crossdressing men to destroy their lives and harm them. Their inclusion of TSs as TGs is hate speech, and destroys TSs' chances of destroying any perceived transgenderness and getting on with their lives. State governments which once had "transsexual" in their laws now using the hate word of "transgender" as a weapon against the people I represent, thinking it is a euphemism. That is like replacing the word Black with the N-word out of a mistaken belief it is less offensive. Referring to a TS and TG community is like referring to a gay, pedophile, zoophile, and arsonist community. It also erases the unique and separate culture of transsexuals that TGs can never know. That is about like what China is doing to Tibet. It would be like referring to a Japanese person as Hispanic or Chinese, and when they object, telling them it is the same thing or that they (the labelers with self-interests) are the experts and know more and that the marginalized people are too stupid to know what to call themselves.

1. A transsexual woman is a woman correctly born with a female nature, female interests, female behaviors, and wrongly born with a penis she absolutely hates, to the point of self-mutilation or suicide. The surgery is therapeutic and is intended to destroy as much gender variance as possible. They were supposed to be raised completely as female every day since birth and were never supposed to have a penis. They are gender conformists, not gender variant in any way. Gender identity is in the brain and in TS women is exactly the same as in other women, and thus not variant. Their bodies are wrong, but that says nothing about their character and who they are.

2. Transgendered is a group label that refers to ALL gender-variant people and NEVER to actual transsexuals who are gender conformists. What they do is not therapeutic, but the reasons vary.

Some TGs act out of self-hate, or rich White guilt & feel they must sabotage who they are to earn their way. Some act out of sexism. They think women get all the perks or all the sex & attention, & want that life. Many are closeted gay men. They think crossdressing sanitizes their gay sex, & they seek out closeted gay men who prefer feminized men, thinking their preference for crossdressed men makes them less gay. Some transgendered males deceive themselves into thinking they're transsexual women & let a surgeon mutilate them with a TS-only procedure, or they mutilate themselves by taking women-only (TS or not) hormones. Then they realize it was a mistake & their gay male lovers don't want them. "Joe Mangina" was like that. He was gay all along, got brainwashed into thinking he was a TS, then realized he would always be a gay man *after* getting his penis turned inside out. Sometimes their motivation is simply fun derived from the clothes themselves, but mostly, it is sex (the act) & fetish-based. One TS I know said it was basically just sex games. I'll add that they want everyone to honor their sex-game identity rather than their genuine inner identity. Simply put, transgenderism is becoming what one is not, never was, & never will be.

If I were a TS, not a natal female as I am, give me transsexual surgery, not "transgender surgery." TS surgery is possible, since transitioning physical sex means undergoing surgery. Since gender is in the brain and soul, fixed, and immutable from birth, no surgery can ever change that. No surgery can ever turn a TG into a TS nor other woman, since it is a matter of birth & gender identity (not gender role as the feminists rally behind)*IS* destiny. Even if you adopt a feminine role, your masculine identity will hold you back. Nobody can become a woman, you have to be born one.

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And yes, TSs can be bigots, and that is the only way for them to win rights from bigots. You must win their trust and prove beyond any shadow of doubt you are like them to earn their trust and respect. That is how they think, and I know how they think well and have gained inroads with such. I've been in dialog with Republican congressmen, former gays, pro-family groups, and so on, and I gain traction with them when I point out TS women are not a type of gay men nor transgendered (gender benders mostly by choice), but were born with a type of intersex condition that they could not help, and that most have Conservative Christian values and don't want to change society, just have existing laws applied to them.

It is impossible for anyone to truly be bigoted against true-TSs. People only hate gay behavior and recreational transgenderism. Once they realized TS women are not either one and actually oppose such things from a deep fundamental core, they respect TS people more.

TGs will also have more rights if they openly, loudly, and publicly split from TSs and disown them permanently, once and for all. You don't convince people you are not a part of a group and to stop hating you for being a part of the group you are not a part of at all by supporting that group. Instead, you must convince them and really burn it in that you are not in that other group. If you get accused of being a child molester, what would you do? Would you side for pedophile rights and push for their right to marry kids since everyone is going to think you are a pedophile anyway? Or would you speak openly and loudly against pedophiles?

Too many TSs have Stockholm Syndrome and take up for their worst abusers who are invariably TGs/LGBTs. They take a defeatist attitude - "What is the point, they all think I am a TG anyway, and while it is against my morals and every bit of the fiber of who I am, they are larger and better bullies, and bullies always get what they want, and I don't really want what they want, and what they want must be better than what I have, so I will support them in destroying my reputation and chances to pass and fit into the mainstream, normal people community?"

Lets say the destination of TSs and mainstream people in general is to the east, while TGs and other LGBT members are heading to the west. At the beginning, TSs were 10 miles to the east while TGs are 50 miles to the west. Now, to join with TGs places them about 60 miles further from their destination than they were.
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Perhaps this anti vaccine propaganda is a ruse to fool the stupid people in the world to avoid vaccinations, thus reducing their number? It's back door eugenics!!
Wrong. Its a warning that injecting who knows what into babies is unnatural and unnatural results will occur. Why people think its all good defies intelligence and shows the majority of people can't be bothered to think, prefering to be told what to do. Its why marketing works and why people shop at WallMart and eat at McDonalds and line up for vaccines. They don't realize the numbers of people who have never had one vaccine and live healthy lives. Pharma markets vaccines through fear mongering and implies epidemics are a moment away. We live cleaner lives and have better everything than the days when vaccines were rolled out to cure everything. In areas like Africa vaccines have not cured poverty, dirty water and malnutrition, so disease remains. Clean up the water and feed them and house them and health would vastly improve.
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Provide solid research linking it to vaccine please...
The problem with blaming everything on vaccine is 75% of the idiots in america will believe it...
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Solid research may never be possible. Most research will gives you hypothetical ideas and observations. Its bizarre how wittnesses to bank robbery or such can give eyewittness accounts in court and its valid, but hundreds or more parents can give eyewittness accounts of normal children becoming autistic after a series of vaccinations but that is viewed as invalid and unreliable.

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<quoted text> Wrong. Its a warning that injecting who knows what into babies is unnatural and unnatural results will occur. Why people think its all good defies intelligence and shows the majority of people can't be bothered to think, prefering to be told what to do. Its why marketing works and why people shop at WallMart and eat at McDonalds and line up for vaccines. They don't realize the numbers of people who have never had one vaccine and live healthy lives. Pharma markets vaccines through fear mongering and implies epidemics are a moment away. We live cleaner lives and have better everything than the days when vaccines were rolled out to cure everything. In areas like Africa vaccines have not cured poverty, dirty water and malnutrition, so disease remains. Clean up the water and feed them and house them and health would vastly improve.
Your absolutely right stupid... I mean despite the small pox vaccinations we still have tens of millions of people dying annually of small pox (Actual number = ZERO) and children in the US are virtually all walking around crippled by polio, I trip over there warped and crooked legs everyday.. gee I wish that vaccination would have worked...

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<quoted text> Solid research may never be possible. Most research will gives you hypothetical ideas and observations. Its bizarre how wittnesses to bank robbery or such can give eyewittness accounts in court and its valid, but hundreds or more parents can give eyewittness accounts of normal children becoming autistic after a series of vaccinations but that is viewed as invalid and unreliable.
HHHHHHHmmm amazing we had autism in the world long before vaccinations.... ya don't let reality get in the way of your blinding ignorance

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<quoted text> Solid research may never be possible. Most research will gives you hypothetical ideas and observations. Its bizarre how wittnesses to bank robbery or such can give eyewittness accounts in court and its valid, but hundreds or more parents can give eyewittness accounts of normal children becoming autistic after a series of vaccinations but that is viewed as invalid and unreliable.
Interesting that decades before vaccinations and germ understanding people most commomnly blamed disease on GOD!!!! Gee genius how's come your not leading the charge to ban him....

LOL... YA YOUR A COMPLETE DUMBAZZ
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<quoted text>Your absolutely right stupid... I mean despite the small pox vaccinations we still have tens of millions of people dying annually of small pox (Actual number = ZERO) and children in the US are virtually all walking around crippled by polio, I trip over there warped and crooked legs everyday.. gee I wish that vaccination would have worked...
YA YOUR AN IGNORANT FUCKTARD
He coming from an expert thats quite a compliment. Oddly I said nothing about polio or whether vaccines work, but I guess a bagofshit like you can't read well enough to comprehend that. So tell your psychiatric nurse you need your meds and go back to your Barney puzzle.
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<quoted text>HHHHHHHmmm amazing we had autism in the world long before vaccinations.... ya don't let reality get in the way of your blinding ignorance
The blind ignorance is wafting from you along with the smell of alcohol, cigarette, B.O., fart that smellytwatt. Before vaccines autism barely existed. You are a no-nothing bagofshitt.
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<quoted text>Interesting that decades before vaccinations and germ understanding people most commomnly blamed disease on GOD!!!! Gee genius how's come your not leading the charge to ban him....
LOL... YA YOUR A COMPLETE DUMBAZZ
I'm not in your league moron and it would take years for me to stoop that low. Go back to your vibrator.

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Nobody is talking about removing the word, "transsexual," purple. Nobody is forcing you to sit under the umbrella. Quit ranting.

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<quoted text> Wrong. Its a warning that injecting who knows what into babies is unnatural and unnatural results will occur. Why people think its all good defies intelligence and shows the majority of people can't be bothered to think, prefering to be told what to do. Its why marketing works and why people shop at WallMart and eat at McDonalds and line up for vaccines. They don't realize the numbers of people who have never had one vaccine and live healthy lives. Pharma markets vaccines through fear mongering and implies epidemics are a moment away. We live cleaner lives and have better everything than the days when vaccines were rolled out to cure everything. In areas like Africa vaccines have not cured poverty, dirty water and malnutrition, so disease remains. Clean up the water and feed them and house them and health would vastly improve.
Indeed! Babies dying by the thousands before they reach the age of 5 is altogether natural! It's certainly historical!

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