New Mexico licenses won't work in air...

New Mexico licenses won't work in airports under federal law: governor

There are 16 comments on the Reuters story from Oct 12, 2012, titled New Mexico licenses won't work in airports under federal law: governor. In it, Reuters reports that:

New Mexico's policy of granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants will violate a federal law taking effect in January, meaning residents won't be able to use their licenses as ID to board airplanes, the state's governor says.

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De Soto, KS

#1 Oct 12, 2012
The govrnor is 100% correct.

Hurricane, UT

#2 Oct 12, 2012
How can they stop the fraudulent document's... We are indeed naive.

De Soto, KS

#3 Oct 12, 2012
ronnie wrote:
How can they stop the fraudulent document's... We are indeed naive.
Do you have a secure license? I do and it wasn't easy to get, however, because I'm a U.S. Citizen, the state in which I was born provided me with a certified b. certificate. Actually I went with more documents than I needed. I didn't have a problem with the program, nor proving that I am who I say I am. Goes thru the airport without a problem and yes they do check to make sure it legit.

Huntsville, AL

#4 Oct 12, 2012
nativist hate and fearmongering from la tejana

De Soto, KS

#5 Oct 13, 2012
more wrote:
nativist hate and fearmongering from la tejana
Afraid you won't get a secure license?

Albuquerque, NM

#6 Oct 13, 2012
more wrote:
nativist hate and fearmongering from la tejana
name calling, senseless comments from Santa Fe
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#7 Oct 13, 2012
In order to accommodate illegal aliens and other criminals New Mexico’s Democratic Party has chosen to inconvenience honest citizens who must acquire and pay for a passport to fly domestically. In fact even when driving a New Mexico citizen should also carry a passport since their driver’s license is not going to be an acceptable form of I.D. anywhere.

Glendale, AZ

#8 Oct 13, 2012
Those damn New Mexico D.L. are so problematic. Alvaro Nunez-Hernandez New Mexico license didn't work for 43 days down at the DA's office back in 2007. lol

Glendale, AZ

#9 Oct 13, 2012
Hell, a New Mexico drivers license used to get you a 5-hour test drive(corvette) from the local dealership..... with 10 DUIs back when she was DA.

El Paso, TX

#10 Oct 13, 2012
All right, Gov. Martinez!!! good job!

Albuquerque, NM

#12 Oct 14, 2012
need a REAL drivers license to board a plane, but not to vote, makes sense

cue the minorities hue and cry of being disenfranchised and not able to fly

gov regs are getting bizarre !
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#15 Oct 14, 2012
Self Deception wrote:
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At least you are honest enough to acknowledge that the driver license is becoming an internal passport. Until now only China, Russia and North Korea utilized internal pasports. The shame of it all is that your only concern is the comfort and convenience of your chains. Funniest maybe of all of this is the manner in which this federal edict was placed on the states and the citizens. The Real ID Act, opposed by everyone from the GOA to the ACLU, was attached as a rider to an Iraq war emergency funding bill and rammed through with no debate. That sort of thing doesn't bother you, but the idea of getting some federal ID to voluntarily participate in federally regulated activity is too much of a burden for you. What kind of an American thinks like that?
Explain how a driver's license is an internal passport. I don't need a driver's licens to travel anywhere in the U.S. I may be required to have I.D. to access public transportaion but not to travel.
I do not understand what you mean by your statement "the idea of getting some federal ID to voluntarily participate in federally regulated activity is too much of a burden for you." I have a secure driver's license and a passport and I have no problem with being required to show them to vote, enter a court house or access public transportation. I always make sure to carry my passport, driver's license and if required my visa when I travel to another country as required by the laws of most countries I have traveled to.
Rico from East LA

Los Angeles, CA

#16 Oct 14, 2012
Looks like the Republicans are closer to placing RFD chips on Americans. Now they'll know when you sleep, shit and move about.

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

-Benjamin Franklin
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#18 Oct 14, 2012
Self Deception wrote:
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Your assertion is that if a state does not comply with the federal edict then its citizens are denied access to interstate commerce in the form of common carrier transportation. If that isn't an internal passport system I don't know how you might describe one. Your assertion that this in no way infringes the right to walk cross country is fascinating. Focus on the terms common carrier and commerce rather than "public transportation" since interstate carriers are generally private business and public transportation like city busses and subways require no ID whatsoever.
Traveling to another country is another matter as the US is the nationality of the traveller. Within the country having to present federally mandated documents and not be on a secret government list of those not permitted to engage in commerce with airlines is, more or less, the current Russian system except they have more internal land checkpoints than we do now if you don't count the "DUI" checkpoints.
I hope that helps explain how the federal ID requirements combined with arbitrary "no fly" lists are an internal passport system. If you need any further clarification you can look at the checklist for domestic travellers on one of the many english language travel companies in China although the Chinese do not typically fondle their nationals.
Actually it does not even come close. There is no requirment that an American citizen has to carry any I.D. when traveling. If you know of such a law then please post it or a link. As for the no fly list that is not the subject of this thread. As are DUI check points which are unconstitutional even according to the liberals on the SCOTUS who approved their use.
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#20 Oct 14, 2012
Self Deception wrote:
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So essentially your argument is that if the government only enforces the secret lists and mandated ID on the effective means of interstate travel this makes it not even close to internal passports? And the ID only matters as an index to the secret government list of those forbidden to engage in commerce with the airlines. Otherwise there would be no advantage in positively identifying the passengers on the planes. They are the same package. The headline should read NM law thwarts federal enemies of the state tracking system. Feds threaten airline, train and bus embargo. Governor sides with Federal edict. That would be more accurate than the guv saying it is our fault for not just adopting the federal edict.
You are totaly confused and off the subject. The subjest is secure I.D. not secret list and government threats.The federal government requires that a person provide acceptable proof of their identity before they are granted the privilege of traveling on an airplane. There are several forms of acceptable I.D. including a photo driver’s license or I.D. card issued by a state government if it meets the standards required by the federal government. The federal government which over sees air travel and safety as well granting companies the privilege to transport cargo and passengers is well within it authority to set reasonable rules for the safe operation of aircraft and the associated operations. Thus the requirement that all persons boarding, maintaining or in any way coming in contact with a commercial aircraft provide acceptable form of identification before doing so.
The refusal of a state to comply with the secure I.D. only means that people from that state need to acquire suitable I.D. other than their state issued driver’s license before they can be granted the privilege of traveling on a commercial airline.
If the people of New Mexico truly feel that they are willing to provide an I.D other than their drive’s license or state issued I.D. card when they fly in order to allow illegal aliens the privilege of operating a motor vehicle then that is their choice.
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#22 Oct 14, 2012
Self Deception wrote:
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i think it is your view of engaging in interstate commerce as a government granted privilege that creates an impasse to our discussion. 17states have actually passed affirmative measures to assure non compliance with Real ID for just this reason. You sound more like a subject than a citizen. The ID exists solely as a key to match against the arbitrary lists. That is its sole purpose. It is is unfortunate that you are unable to grasp the statute text.
Like it or not the federal government does regulate interstate commerce and does grant the rights to engage in interstate commerce. They also regulate the safe operation of interstate transportation. Requiring proof of identity from those who travel or transport goods using regulated carriers as an assurance of safe operation is no different from requiring accurate and certified maintenance and operational records. As long as there are no laws requiring a citizen to obtain and carry a “real I.D.” compliant I.D. then the rights of the individual citizen have not been violated.

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