Romney's plan is a retread, Obama says

Romney's plan is a retread, Obama says

There are 181 comments on the The Columbus Dispatch story from Sep 4, 2012, titled Romney's plan is a retread, Obama says. In it, The Columbus Dispatch reports that:

President Barack Obama chats with diners at Rick's City Diner in Toledo, while patrons at an adjacent table snap pictures of the commander-in-chief. After his Toledo stop yesterday, Obama surveyed Hurricane Isaac's damage in Louisiana.

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xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#25 Sep 5, 2012
Eric Gustafson wrote:
Where did you research that Quack Theory?
The common difference between Non-Union Employees and Union Employees is that Union Employees are 10xs more likely to have a better pay scale and paid into benefits and pension plans......
You've not read that Quack Theory in any creditable publications
Companies need good, skilled workers now and the pay scale doesn't reflect the American Corporations record profits.
Where are you getting this nonsense you subscribe too?
When Obama came into Office the Unemployment rate 10 days after his swearing in was 8.1%, and rising, today it is 8.3%,.02% higher, you think that's because of the Republican conspiracy to cut funding causing 600,000 public workers to loose their jobs, most Americans think so
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Yes, union people do make better money; too much money for the work they do in most cases. So companies move out of state and sometimes out of the country to escape them on top of a number of other things.

Corporations don't set the pay scale by their profit. Corporations set the pay scale by how valuable the work of their employees are. Now if you want your income to reflect company profit, then get a job that offers profit sharing. If you can't find a job that offers profit sharing, then buy stock in the company you work for.
Eric Gustafson

Yorktown, VA

#27 Sep 5, 2012
In a Free Market please define "Too much Money for the work they do in most cases"

You're changing the rules in a Free Market under a Capitalist system to fit some distorted narrative you have?

If you can't afford the cost of a labor do the work yourself.

That's the basic rules of a Free Market and the chief aim of Negotiations in a market place.

You're not a capitalist.. how is labor rates any different than any other entry onto a market place?

I see you have a thorough understanding of exactly how Marxism works, seems to be a key practice for you.
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, union people do make better money; too much money for the work they do in most cases. So companies move out of state and sometimes out of the country to escape them on top of a number of other things.
Corporations don't set the pay scale by their profit. Corporations set the pay scale by how valuable the work of their employees are. Now if you want your income to reflect company profit, then get a job that offers profit sharing. If you can't find a job that offers profit sharing, then buy stock in the company you work for.
conservative crapola

Zionhill, PA

#28 Sep 5, 2012
Razors Edge wrote:
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It doesn't take much analysis to take Barack Obama's words at face value and conclude that he adheres to Marxist ideology. One cannot be a pro-free-market capitalist and assume that any success is built solely on exploitation of a lower class. Indeed, the assumption of the very existence of lower classes is un-American. Our society was built on the ideal of Liberty. That liberty is exactly what created our exceptional American society that has prospered like no other nation in history. One of the most important applications of Liberty is the ability of any individual to use their talents to prosper and rise up out of poverty, or to choose to stay right where they're at. In fact, the stats bear this out:
Completely Un American is 100% Correct!!
The Truth will set you free..Please inform
Wassername,and Cutter,Oblamers two trained
Pathological Liars..Thank You Comrade..
That con exceptionalism has 9 red states as bottom feeder poorest, out of the 10 worst. Decades of inuendo hasn't fix it, ya'll.

hahahahahahahahaha

Since: Aug 12

United States

#29 Sep 5, 2012
Yeah well sticking to your non right to work guns has managed to destroy 31% of Ohios electoral votes... You used to have 26, now you're down to 18 and you're probably going to 16...
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And look what those values have done for Michigan.... Look at modern day pictures of Hiroshima and nagasaki, then look at Detroit...... What's done more long term damage? Atomic bombs or union mentality????
notlocal

AOL

#30 Sep 5, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, union people do make better money; too much money for the work they do in most cases. So companies move out of state and sometimes out of the country to escape them on top of a number of other things.
Corporations don't set the pay scale by their profit. Corporations set the pay scale by how valuable the work of their employees are. Now if you want your income to reflect company profit, then get a job that offers profit sharing. If you can't find a job that offers profit sharing, then buy stock in the company you work for.
You're right. Unions have priced themselves out of the market.

The whole auto industry meltdown was because of the UAW wage scale when cars were being built cheaper and better in right to work states.

My union friends, looking down their noses at any tradesman who wasn't union (scabs), and were so boastful of their pay and so gung ho on Obama & the democratic party have been mostly 'on the bench' the past four years, but still have to pay their dues.

They're hurting.

Some are taking it better than others, the sheet metal workers willingly rotate their lay offs so no man is off for too long, but the union electricians and carpenters are squealing like babies.

And look at the fuss when Boeing announced it was building a plant in a right to work state.
notlocal

AOL

#31 Sep 5, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, union people do make better money; too much money for the work they do in most cases. So companies move out of state and sometimes out of the country to escape them on top of a number of other things.
Corporations don't set the pay scale by their profit. Corporations set the pay scale by how valuable the work of their employees are. Now if you want your income to reflect company profit, then get a job that offers profit sharing. If you can't find a job that offers profit sharing, then buy stock in the company you work for.
You're right. Unions priced themselves out of the market. The whole auto industry meltdown can be laid at the feet of the UAW's high demand for wages when cars were being built better and cheaper in right to work states.

The union tradesmen that looked down their noses at non-union workers (scabs) and boasted about their high wages four years ago have been pretty much 'on the bench' since the last election and they still have to pay their dues.

Some take it better than others. The sheet metal workers willingly rotate lay offs so one man is not out of work too long. But the electricians and carpenters are squealing like little girls.

They're hurting.

But look at the big fuss when Boeing announced it was building a plant in a right to work state. Which was just a smart business move and enhanced their profit and value to the stockholders.
notlocal

AOL

#32 Sep 5, 2012
Sorry for the double post. Bad gateway message again. Must be the thunder storms.
notlocal

AOL

#33 Sep 5, 2012
Eric Gustafson wrote:
In a Free Market please define "Too much Money for the work they do in most cases"
You're changing the rules in a Free Market under a Capitalist system to fit some distorted narrative you have?
If you can't afford the cost of a labor do the work yourself.
That's the basic rules of a Free Market and the chief aim of Negotiations in a market place.
You're not a capitalist.. how is labor rates any different than any other entry onto a market place?
I see you have a thorough understanding of exactly how Marxism works, seems to be a key practice for you.
<quoted text>
Union ironworker: "Someone has to remove this screw for me to continue."

Ironworker's business agent: "That's a carpenter's job. Don't touch it until we get one there."

Carpenter's business agent: "My guys just left for lunch. I'll get somewhere there when I can."

FOUR HOURS LATER, 4 union ironworker's making rate, but unable to proceed with the job because they're waiting for a carpenter to remove one screw.

Ironworker's Buiness agent: "Carpenter will be there in the morning. It's almost 3 PM. Knock off in half an hour and see you in the morning."

*****

UAW union line worker to Supervisor, "Yeah, I was an hour late this morning and yesterday, same thing last week, what you gonna do about it?"

Supervisor: "Fire you. You're done."

One week later UAW union grievence committee meeting. The worker is reinstated and reimbursed his back pay for the time he was 'fired.'

The above is all true.
notlocal

AOL

#34 Sep 5, 2012
UdintBuildThat wrote:
Yeah well sticking to your non right to work guns has managed to destroy 31% of Ohios electoral votes... You used to have 26, now you're down to 18 and you're probably going to 16...
.
And look what those values have done for Michigan.... Look at modern day pictures of Hiroshima and nagasaki, then look at Detroit...... What's done more long term damage? Atomic bombs or union mentality????
O.K. I'm confused and not ashamed to ask:

I thought 'right to work' meant NON UNION.

I was wrong, huh?

And believe me, my uncles and most cousins are all union trades. But, the wages scales are crazy and the dues they pay, are they worth it? Oh, and they are die hard democrats.

Since: Aug 12

United States

#35 Sep 5, 2012
Nah, its actually much worse. It means if you don't think the union that you're in is worth a damn, you are free to stop paying union dues without repercussions.
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The idea is, unions are now put on merit pay.
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And you know how gubment school teachers squeal like pigs when its ever even mentioned they might have to work on a merit system.
Eric Gustafson

Yorktown, VA

#39 Sep 5, 2012
If you don't like union rules don't bid on well paying union jobs. All that is required is better management and a production scheduler who knows he's going to need a carpenter some where on that job at some time, a good scheduler would never be caught waiting on a carpenter with 4 iron workers waiting idle.

Someone scheduling labors who doesn't have the experience, will eventually run your company out of business. It's not complex.
notlocal wrote:
<quoted text>
Union ironworker: "Someone has to remove this screw for me to continue."
Ironworker's business agent: "That's a carpenter's job. Don't touch it until we get one there."
Carpenter's business agent: "My guys just left for lunch. I'll get somewhere there when I can."
FOUR HOURS LATER, 4 union ironworker's making rate, but unable to proceed with the job because they're waiting for a carpenter to remove one screw.
Ironworker's Buiness agent: "Carpenter will be there in the morning. It's almost 3 PM. Knock off in half an hour and see you in the morning."
*****
UAW union line worker to Supervisor, "Yeah, I was an hour late this morning and yesterday, same thing last week, what you gonna do about it?"
Supervisor: "Fire you. You're done."
One week later UAW union grievence committee meeting. The worker is reinstated and reimbursed his back pay for the time he was 'fired.'
The above is all true.

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#41 Sep 5, 2012
conservative crapola wrote:
<quoted text>
Great tap dance around the FACT. Red state Sucker.
I spent 34 years in the UAW, 8 in the IAM, in Illinois.

Six months after I retired, I relocated to a "right to work" state to stretch my pension dollars.

A brand new 1200+ square foot house on more than acre for less than $50K.

My pensions are classed as "qualified" by the IRS so I pay no income or property taxes which more than offsets the slightly higher sales tax than I paid in Illinois.

Not only do I not have to have a FOID card to own a handgun, I do have a concealed carry permit, an impossibility in Illegalnois. If I consider it a necessity to shoot an intruder, I don't have to worry about legal repercussions as we have one of the strongest Castle laws in the country.

We are second only to Arizona in the fight against illegals.

42 years of union membership and 54 years in "blue" states taught me one glaring fact: Unions vote Democrat in every election and every time they get a "winner" they get sodomized. No matter how badly they get screwed, they come back asking for more. Never understood, nor subscribed to that inane philosophy.

As of June, our unemployment rate was .9% below the national rate.

Knock the so called Red states all you want. Ignorance is bliss and I'm guessing you're one happy individual.
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#43 Sep 6, 2012
Eric Gustafson wrote:
In a Free Market please define "Too much Money for the work they do in most cases"
You're changing the rules in a Free Market under a Capitalist system to fit some distorted narrative you have?
If you can't afford the cost of a labor do the work yourself.
That's the basic rules of a Free Market and the chief aim of Negotiations in a market place.
You're not a capitalist.. how is labor rates any different than any other entry onto a market place?
I see you have a thorough understanding of exactly how Marxism works, seems to be a key practice for you.
<quoted text>
Free market definition of too high of wages: any work where you can find multiple employees to do the same exact job only for less.

In a free market, there are no negotiations. It's simple really. The employer has X job. X job pays X amount of money regardless of company profit. If you want X job, then you freely accept the job. That's it. That's the one and only negotiation you have. If you feel you're work is worth more money, you are free to request (not force) a raise. If you don't get the raise, then you are free to look for other work. Nothing Marxist about it.
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#44 Sep 6, 2012
Eric Gustafson wrote:
If you don't like union rules don't bid on well paying union jobs. All that is required is better management and a production scheduler who knows he's going to need a carpenter some where on that job at some time, a good scheduler would never be caught waiting on a carpenter with 4 iron workers waiting idle.
Someone scheduling labors who doesn't have the experience, will eventually run your company out of business. It's not complex.
<quoted text>
You wouldn't say that if you ever delivered to these scumball UAW plants as I did fifteen years ago or so. You want to talk about a waste of time and money, watch these union boys in action.

While I have story after story to tell, the one that comes to mind is a delivery I had to Chrysler. It was early morning and I walked into the place. I explained that I had a delivery. The worker told me that Charlie was in charge of all receiving, he then laughed and said "Charles sleeping, and I wouldn't wake him up or you're never going to get unloaded."

Okay, guys having fun at work. But when I went to Charlie's office, he was indeed sleeping. I explained to the worker I had to get this delivery off. We were pretty busy. So with some reluctance, he went to wake Charlie up.

Charlie came out, and I gave him my paperwork. He took the paperwork in his office and came out ten minutes later. He said "I can't unload you." Okay, why not? Because this is the Mill Rights load, and I can't unload Mill Rights trucks. Okay, then get a Mill Right guy here and have him unload it. "I can't do that." Okay, now why not? "Because this is not the Mill Rights dock, and if they unload it here, I can file a complaint against their union."

Now I have about 30 minutes invested in this idiotic union circus, and he then tells me the Mill Rights dock is on the other side of the building. Fine, I'll go there. "You can't." Why not? Because those dock plates are broke." Then how are you going to unload this truck? "I don't know!"

About an hour went by, and he finally tells me that maintenance can get the dock plate up. "Okay, then I'll go to the other docks and let the maintenance guy get the dock plate up." We can't do that!
Okay, why not? "Because the only maintenance guy we have here doesn't belong to the Mill Right union."

So I finally went to the other side of the building, the Mill Right maintenance guy put the plate on the dock, and the Mill Right tow motor drivers showed up to unload the truck, so I went back to the cab to let them work. After about 15 minutes of of feeling no movement, I went back inside to see what was wrong now. The tow motor guys were sitting on their vehicles eating. I asked what was wrong? They said nothing! You came just before we were about to take lunch.

We spend a half of a day to have unions unload a truck that would have been unloaded in a half-hour anyplace else that was non-union. So don't say it's all management or schedulers.
conservative crapola

Bethlehem, PA

#45 Sep 6, 2012
Bama Yankee wrote:
<quoted text>
I spent 34 years in the UAW, 8 in the IAM, in Illinois.
Six months after I retired, I relocated to a "right to work" state to stretch my pension dollars.
A brand new 1200+ square foot house on more than acre for less than $50K.
My pensions are classed as "qualified" by the IRS so I pay no income or property taxes which more than offsets the slightly higher sales tax than I paid in Illinois.
Not only do I not have to have a FOID card to own a handgun, I do have a concealed carry permit, an impossibility in Illegalnois. If I consider it a necessity to shoot an intruder, I don't have to worry about legal repercussions as we have one of the strongest Castle laws in the country.
We are second only to Arizona in the fight against illegals.
42 years of union membership and 54 years in "blue" states taught me one glaring fact: Unions vote Democrat in every election and every time they get a "winner" they get sodomized. No matter how badly they get screwed, they come back asking for more. Never understood, nor subscribed to that inane philosophy.
As of June, our unemployment rate was .9% below the national rate.
Knock the so called Red states all you want. Ignorance is bliss and I'm guessing you're one happy individual.
And still have the chip on your shoulder.

hahahahahahahahaha

Since: Aug 12

Acworth, GA

#46 Sep 6, 2012
He sure looks blissfully happy. (and ignorant)

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#47 Sep 6, 2012
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#48 Sep 6, 2012
2012 Democratic National Convention Schedule**--**Charlotte , N.C.**
**4:00 PM - Opening Flag Burning Ceremony - sponsored by CNN**
**4:05 PM - Singing of "God Damn America " led by Rev. Jeremiah Wright**
**4:10 PM - Pledge of Allegiance to Obama**
**4:15 PM - Ceremonial 'I hate America ' led by Michelle Obama**
**4:30 PM - Tips on "How to keep your man trustworthy and true
to you while you travel the world" - Hillary Clinton**
**4:45 PM -Al Sharpton / Jesse Jackson seminar "How to have a successful career extorting money from white folks." **
**5:00 PM - "Great Vacations I've Taken on the Taxpayer's Dime Travel Log" - Michelle Obama **
**5:30 PM - Eliot Spitzer Speaks on "Family Values" via Satellite**
**5:45 PM - Tribute to All 57 States**
**6:00 PM - Sen. Harry Reid - 90-minute speech expressing the Democrat's appreciation of the Occupy Wall Street movement, and George Soros for sparing no expense, for all that they have accomplished to unify the country, improve employment and to boost the economy.*
*8:30 PM - Airing of Grievances by the Clintons
9:00 PM - "Bias in Media - How we can make it work for you" Tutorial - sponsored by CBS, NBC, ABC, and the Washington Post and the New York Times
9:15 PM - Tribute Film to Brave Freedom Fighters incarcerated at GITMO - Michael Moore
9:45 PM - Personal Finance Seminar - Charlie Rangle
10:00 PM - Denunciation of Bitter Gun Owners and Bible readers
10:30 PM - Ceremonial Waving of White Flag for IRAQ & Afghanistan
11:00 PM - Obama Energy Plan Symposium / Tire Gauge Demonstration / You too can get rich with Green Investment bankruptcies
11:15 PM - "Free Gov. Blagojevich" rally
11:30 PM - Obama Accepts Oscar, Tony and Latin Grammy Awards
11:45 PM - Feeding of the Delegates with 5 Loaves and 2 Fish - Obama Presiding
12:00 AM - Official Nomination of Obama by Bill Maher and Chris "He sends a thrill up my leg" Matthews
12:01 AM - Obama Accepts Nomination as Lord and Savior
12:05 AM - Celestial Choirs Sing
3:00 AM - Biden Delivers Acceptance Speech*

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#49 Sep 6, 2012
Thanks for the invite Nonlocal. I'll bbl, with my minions!!!!! I like Hank!!!!
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#50 Sep 7, 2012
Score Keeper The Greatest wrote:
Thanks for the invite Nonlocal. I'll bbl, with my minions!!!!! I like Hank!!!!
I'm so glad you made it! Giddy, actually.

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