Video: Cardinal Dolan on lawsuit over...

Video: Cardinal Dolan on lawsuit over contraception

There are 468 comments on the CBS News story from May 22, 2012, titled Video: Cardinal Dolan on lawsuit over contraception. In it, CBS News reports that:

New York's Cardinal Timothy Dolan, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, talks to Charlie Rose and Erica Hill about the lawsuit filed by 43 Catholic organizations over the Obama administratin requiring employers to include birth control coverage in their workers' health insurance.

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Eric Gustafson

Virginia Beach, VA

#290 May 25, 2012
Pappa wrote:
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That case did not make abortion a right. It simply decriminalized it. You do see the difference, right? Cigarettes are legal but not a right. Did that help?
Law:
The system of rules that a particular country or community recognizes as regulating the actions of its members.

Right:
That which is correct, just, or honorable:

Abortions in America are legal and no state can prevent any citizen from acquiring the services to have a procedure performed if certain conditions are met.

It's a right in America subject to State law.
Eric Gustafson

Virginia Beach, VA

#291 May 25, 2012
californio wrote:
<quoted text> You are splitting hair there. Religion and freedom of Religion IS MENTIONED in the Constitution.
That's not splitting hair, the Constitution and Declaration of Independence are binding Legal Documents. As with any legal document it is enforceable as it's written. God and Church are omitted from both the Declaration and U.S Constitution.

True there is a reference to Religion, but Religion and Church in those documents are not interchangeable.

Religion: The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power

Church:
A building used for public worship.
A particular organization,
Eric Gustafson

Virginia Beach, VA

#292 May 25, 2012
McGruff wrote:
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but it's not in the constitution.
to make a decision to have an abortion is a unalienable right, look that up in the declaration of independence and dictionary.

The Government or Constitution doesn't give Americans rights, the Constitution protects our rights.

Rights of an American is endowed by his or her creator at Birth.
McGruff

Trinity, TX

#293 May 25, 2012
Eric Gustafson wrote:
<quoted text>That's not splitting hair, the Constitution and Declaration of Independence are binding Legal Documents. As with any legal document it is enforceable as it's written. God and Church are omitted from both the Declaration and U.S Constitution.

True there is a reference to Religion, but Religion and Church in those documents are not interchangeable.

Religion: The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power

Church:
A building used for public worship.
A particular organization,
the church is not a building. The church is a group of believers. You have been incredibly wrong about everything you have posted. No wonder obammy got elected with people like you.
McGruff

Trinity, TX

#294 May 25, 2012
Eric Gustafson wrote:
<quoted text>to make a decision to have an abortion is a unalienable right, look that up in the declaration of independence and dictionary.

The Government or Constitution doesn't give Americans rights, the Constitution protects our rights.

Rights of an American is endowed by his or her creator at Birth.
I looked that up in the constitution and abortion wasn't mentioned. Sorry.

Now the free exercise of religion is. The gov can't force you to worship or not to. And the gov can't make a person do something that is against their religious believes. Like pay for BC or abortions. Look that up.

Did you ever figure out that the senate can't filibuster a budget or spending bill??

“KONA, baby!”

Since: Jul 08

Jacksonville, FL

#295 May 25, 2012
Eric Gustafson wrote:
<quoted text>
Law:
The system of rules that a particular country or community recognizes as regulating the actions of its members.
Right:
That which is correct, just, or honorable:
Abortions in America are legal and no state can prevent any citizen from acquiring the services to have a procedure performed if certain conditions are met.
It's a right in America subject to State law.
Really? That's the definition of 'right' that you are going to hang your hat on? YOu are desperate.
Cat74

United States

#296 May 25, 2012
Of course these loose women have a right to Abortions, and contraception, but they do not a right to make me pay for them if I don't believe in that sort of behavior. There are many places they can go for free abortions, and contraceptions but the Catholic Hospitals, and clinics are not one of them. The Obama Administration violated the Catholic Church's first Amendment rights, and the Supreme Court will rule for the Church. It will cost millions of dollars for Obama's stupidity.
Eric Gustafson

Virginia Beach, VA

#297 May 26, 2012
McGruff wrote:
<quoted text>
the church is not a building. The church is a group of believers. You have been incredibly wrong about everything you have posted. No wonder obammy got elected with people like you.
That's pretty much why the Words Church and God are omitted from the Founding Documents of America, namely the Legal Documents the United States Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

Being a Believer is not and never have been a requirement of Being an American and, or subject one to our Freedom and Pursuit of Happiness.
Eric Gustafson

Virginia Beach, VA

#298 May 26, 2012
Pappa wrote:
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Really? That's the definition of 'right' that you are going to hang your hat on? YOu are desperate.
Desperate you say. That is the common definition of 'right' from our dictionary.

American Rights are Moral in that they are endowed from our Creator.

Did you attend Citizenship classes before obtaining your Green Card?
Eric Gustafson

Virginia Beach, VA

#299 May 26, 2012
Well neither is breathing, so you had better hold your breath.......
McGruff wrote:
<quoted text>
I looked that up in the constitution and abortion wasn't mentioned. Sorry.
Now the free exercise of religion is. The gov can't force you to worship or not to. And the gov can't make a person do something that is against their religious believes. Like pay for BC or abortions. Look that up.
Did you ever figure out that the senate can't filibuster a budget or spending bill??
McGruff

Trinity, TX

#300 May 26, 2012
Eric Gustafson wrote:
<quoted text>That's pretty much why the Words Church and God are omitted from the Founding Documents of America, namely the Legal Documents the United States Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

Being a Believer is not and never have been a requirement of Being an American and, or subject one to our Freedom and Pursuit of Happiness.
the declaration isn't a legal document. It's a statement.

Why would you say being a believer isn't a requirement for citizenship?? It's off topic and irrelevant. The subject is the government trying to force one group of Americans to find something they believe to be sinful. It isn't going to happen. The federal gov doesn't have that power.
McGruff

Trinity, TX

#301 May 26, 2012
Eric Gustafson wrote:
<quoted text>Well neither is breathing, so you had better hold your breath.......
did you figure out the senate can't filibuster budget matters?? Still spewing lies or ignorance?
Cleo

Marquette, MI

#302 May 27, 2012
Cat74 wrote:
Of course these loose women have a right to Abortions, and contraception, but they do not a right to make me pay for them if I don't believe in that sort of behavior. There are many places they can go for free abortions, and contraceptions but the Catholic Hospitals, and clinics are not one of them. The Obama Administration violated the Catholic Church's first Amendment rights, and the Supreme Court will rule for the Church. It will cost millions of dollars for Obama's stupidity.
Wrong. Catholic Hospitals do and are required by federal law to dispense the morning after pill, and perform D&C's on women.

This has nothing to do with you paying for anything. This is about requiring insurance companies to cover birth control for women, at the current rates that are charged.

Church's are exempt. So are Nuns and Priests. Who are not exempt are the employees in the church's other businesses. Now, if the Church does not want to follow federal laws in regards to employees, then they can shut down.

And explain to me why taxpayers should pay for you to procreate and get money back for doing so? And why should taxpayers pay for your children to be born while your husband was in the military? And why should taxpayers had to pay for their health care? No one outside of the military member should get any health care. Pay for it yourself. Welfare Queen.

pupsilicious

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#303 May 27, 2012
Cleo wrote:
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Wrong. Catholic Hospitals do and are required by federal law to dispense the morning after pill, and perform D&C's on women.
This has nothing to do with you paying for anything. This is about requiring insurance companies to cover birth control for women, at the current rates that are charged.
Church's are exempt. So are Nuns and Priests. Who are not exempt are the employees in the church's other businesses. Now, if the Church does not want to follow federal laws in regards to employees, then they can shut down.
And explain to me why taxpayers should pay for you to procreate and get money back for doing so? And why should taxpayers pay for your children to be born while your husband was in the military? And why should taxpayers had to pay for their health care? No one outside of the military member should get any health care. Pay for it yourself. Welfare Queen.
So, you want a communist govt? Only inst run by the Church that are for only Catholics are exempt. This only includes seminaries and convents and no protestant can be on the payroll. Catholicism is an outward religion, we help others no matter what religion so hospitals , schools, univ, homeless shelters , battered womens shelters etc will all be fined because we will not go against our doctrine. Its not about giving women birth control, its about our rights, our civil rights to practice our religion. WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO WORSHIP CHRIST. IN THE CHURCH THAT CHRIST STARTED AND NO ONE WILL DESTROY. Remember , Mexico tried to do what Obama wants, they failed, so will Obama.

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#304 May 28, 2012
But this matter is going to end up and decided by the Supreme Court.
I have a feeling that Liberals are going to wish they had waited till they had gotten a few more judges on the Supreme Court as it almost always takes a generation for any Supreme court decision to be reverse, no matter how boneheaded.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#305 May 29, 2012
Pappa wrote:
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Ah, we have discovered the fault in your logic. Freedom of religion does NOT equal freedom from religion. I hope that clears is up for you.
Incorrect. No one has any right to force their religious beliefs on another, thus we all have freedom FROM religion.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#306 May 29, 2012
McGruff wrote:
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not even close. I am not and the church is not forcing anyone to do anything. It is the gov trying to force Christians to pay for something they believe to be a sin. That isn't going to happen. No way no how.
Incorrect. Certain institutions (with religious affiliations) have CHOSEN to to form and become employers, but they wish to ignore their DUTY to provide a workplace free of religious persecution of those employees that do not wish to follow the same religious tenets as the affiliated church.

And birth control is not a sin. It is not mentioned anywhere in the Torah, and therefore it would actually be a sin to try and pretend that it is one.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#307 May 29, 2012
pupsilicious wrote:
<quoted text>So, you want a communist govt? Only inst run by the Church that are for only Catholics are exempt. This only includes seminaries and convents and no protestant can be on the payroll. Catholicism is an outward religion, we help others no matter what religion so hospitals , schools, univ, homeless shelters , battered womens shelters etc will all be fined because we will not go against our doctrine. Its not about giving women birth control, its about our rights, our civil rights to practice our religion. WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO WORSHIP CHRIST. IN THE CHURCH THAT CHRIST STARTED AND NO ONE WILL DESTROY. Remember , Mexico tried to do what Obama wants, they failed, so will Obama.
Silly child, Jesus was born Jewish and died Jewish. In between, he preached Judaism.

However, you do indeed have the right to worship anything you wish, Jesus, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or the Invisible Pink Unicorn* that lives in my backyard.

*Note: the Invisible Pink Unicorn is actually blue.
McGruff

Trinity, TX

#308 May 29, 2012
Liam R wrote:
<quoted text>Incorrect. Certain institutions (with religious affiliations) have CHOSEN to to form and become employers, but they wish to ignore their DUTY to provide a workplace free of religious persecution of those employees that do not wish to follow the same religious tenets as the affiliated church.

And birth control is not a sin. It is not mentioned anywhere in the Torah, and therefore it would actually be a sin to try and pretend that it is one.
it is to Catholics and you and the government have no right to tell them what to believe. That's why there is a constitution. And it isn't persecution to not buy you something. That's is a very funny statement. And they have no duty to violate their faith to appease liberal nuts. And they are not going to. And obammy can't force them to. They will win their suit, or they will simply drop coverage. Very simple.

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#309 May 29, 2012
Liam R wrote:
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Incorrect. No one has any right to force their religious beliefs on another, thus we all have freedom FROM religion.
I agree with you there 100%. and that includes liberals trying to force their beliefs on the catholic church.
In the Past religious institution was defined by the Church, not the government. today liberal want to define what is and is not a Religion.

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