A progressive majority says 'enough'

A progressive majority says 'enough'

There are 10 comments on the Ekklesia Daily News story from May 8, 2010, titled A progressive majority says 'enough'. In it, Ekklesia Daily News reports that:

A progressive majority says "enough" Submitted by Jill Segger on 8 May 2010 - 4:32pm. On the day after the morning after the night before, the only certainty is that Britain's electoral map is in an entirely unprecedented condition.

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jooce

Glendale, CA

#1 May 9, 2010
And we can only pray that cooler heads will prevail here in the U.S., stand up and say enough is enough. I am tired and very weary of the millionaire elite talking heads in the main stream media that are constant and relentless with their merciless, viciuos attacks on a duly elected sitting president. As Rush Limbaugh puts it, "I hope Obama will fail." What he's saying is that he hopes America will fail.

These douchebags don't give hoot about anything except how much money they can make and keep it. These scoundrels that lead a soft and pampered life are screaming bloody murder because they have to pay a little more in taxes, money that they won't even miss, to help pay for the betterment of people that don't even have nor can afford health insurance.

I say enough is enough Hannity, Beck, blow hard O'Reilly and the god of the GOP, Rush Limbaugh! You guys already have life made, stop screaming like the spoiled brats that you are and start acting like real men for a change!
QUITTNER

Toronto, Canada

#2 May 10, 2010
1:27 pm, Monday, May 10, 2010:
RE: A progressive majority says 'enough'
..... The majority of the voters have chosen your top politicians to govern you until the next election. In civilized countries the sufficiently educated voters are supposed to accept the majority of voters' choice until then, for better or worse.
progressive

Lamoni, IA

#3 May 10, 2010
QUITTNER wrote:
1:27 pm, Monday, May 10, 2010:
RE: A progressive majority says 'enough'
..... The majority of the voters have chosen your top politicians to govern you until the next election. In civilized countries the sufficiently educated voters are supposed to accept the majority of voters' choice until then, for better or worse.
there is no majority dummie, and who knows if it was a progresive majority, whatever is meant by that word as used by you folks, individually and collectively. David Cameron as a progressive is a concept good for a good belly laugh. He is a modernizer, maybe, and an opportunist, definately, but not any sort of progressive that I recognize. The majority of British of voters did not choose any top politician. It was a plurality, with at least four major groupings that could form coalitions, including not only the Tory Lib Dem coalition which is strange, but also a Lib Dem Labour and Scots-Welsh-Irish coalition that would have a majority, if it could hold together, I watch the British election returns and the explanations of their voting and wonder why they think they should have observers in Afghanistan and not vice versa. Same in Ken Blackwell's Ohio and Kathleen Harris's Florida, and the
Mormon Republican Utah convention, which voted out Bennett because he did not get 60%. It is a nutcase 40% veto, and even the US Senate can manage that, let alone the most rightwing idiots in the country in Utah - well some of the most rightwing idiots. I just wish the whole country knew what nonsense Mormons believe and practice. People would be so appalled they would be in danger of turning Catholic in reaction!
progressive

Lamoni, IA

#4 May 10, 2010
my criticism of
Mormons is magnified 1000 times for the Fundamentalist sects. But the decent Community of Christ people, formerly the Reorganized Latter Day Saints, have gone the other direction, into being kind and civilized and good citizens in an ecumenical community. Lucky me that the monogamous branch of trhat strange religion were the ones who settled in this area, and began evolving slowly toward all sorts of better views and practices. We even have nice Mormons here.
progressive

Lamoni, IA

#5 May 10, 2010
and who are you Canadians to weigh in for a majority when you have a three party plurality problem yourselves, plus the Quebec situation? I never claim that the U>S is so wonderful that we are in a position to lecture as if our elections are not flawed. I favor reform everywhere. Proportional representation is not the answer, and neither is plurality rule. Even the awkward negotiations for a coalition have more elements of fairness, though the unfair element is in the lack of ascertaining a majority view, which is inherent in a multiparty system. Yet it is too dangerous to have a mere two party system without good mechanisms to introduce new and challenging ideas and solutions. The simplistic follks who are sure of themselves on these things just are not educated about government and politics. The voters probably are mostly so dumb that they do not understand half the issues anyway. I think there ought to be an exam given to every voter before he or she votes, about the governmental and political system, the Constitution written or unwritten in Britain, and the current issues, including economics. I doubt one in onethousand could really do well in understanding the problems, and yet they are supposed to pass on something like what to do about the financial crisis? absurd! kidding of course, but I would favor coursework with credits to teach some basics, maybe high school level. I bet that lelgal aliens applying for citizenship have to pass tests that many citizens could not pass. U s or britain.
progressive

Lamoni, IA

#6 May 10, 2010
jooce wrote:
And we can only pray that cooler heads will prevail here in the U.S., stand up and say enough is enough. I am tired and very weary of the millionaire elite talking heads in the main stream media that are constant and relentless with their merciless, viciuos attacks on a duly elected sitting president. As Rush Limbaugh puts it, "I hope Obama will fail." What he's saying is that he hopes America will fail.
These douchebags don't give hoot about anything except how much money they can make and keep it. These scoundrels that lead a soft and pampered life are screaming bloody murder because they have to pay a little more in taxes, money that they won't even miss, to help pay for the betterment of people that don't even have nor can afford health insurance.
I say enough is enough Hannity, Beck, blow hard O'Reilly and the god of the GOP, Rush Limbaugh! You guys already have life made, stop screaming like the spoiled brats that you are and start acting like real men for a change!
well, hot and correct is better than sanctimonious and stupid! I liked your comment and felt free to be as outspoken, even though I do have a much more nuanced set of views when it gets down to trying to figure out how to try to solve some of these problems. We need ways to get many more different views into the discussion, and also ways to get informed decisions made based upon expert understanding that is not the manipulations of people with greedy special interests. Maybe we can discuss it coolly later, but from your outspokenness and mine, I think we can assume we are on the same side of the table - the populist progressives. Populist in that we are for the people, not in the sense of accepting a rule of an ignorant mob, however. Of the people and by the people is lots more iffy than for the people. There is a great quote parody: you can fool some of the people some of the time, and that is usually good enough. I mostly watch cspan, and it takes too much time for most folks to do that, so I do not blame them for being ill-iniformed, unless they deliberately go to Fox to get the nutcase line, or to the Moonie Washington Times, or to the Murdock press. I like McClatchy. pbs is OK. I miss Moyers and NOW already. I love Frontline, especially the one called A Warning about the financial crisis.
progressive

Lamoni, IA

#7 May 10, 2010
thanks for liberating me to sound off a bit more emotionally. it helps to find someone who is as opposed to the nutcases as I am, and who starts out a discussion going after the bad guys.
progressive

Lamoni, IA

#8 May 10, 2010
there is a great new California Congressman, Garamendi I think it is spelled. I guess he was your Lt. Gov and I know nothing about that aspect of his career. i liked Ellen Tauchner (sp) very much and am so proud to see her doing well in the State Department on nuclear nonproliferation. what a wonderful honor and responsibility. she has been one of my favorites from California. I like Brad Sherman on some financial things, because he is skeptical and freethinking, even if I would disagree on how to vote when push comes to shove. I am for the progressive populists like Kucinich and Marcy Kaptur and Sherrod Brown of Ohio, and Harkin of Iowa, and the purist reformers like the late great Paul Wellstone, and Russ Feingold, and the two from Vermont, and Kaufmann of Delaware who is better than Biden, much as I adore Joe for the fun and free character I have known for such a long time - both in person when he first came to DC, and then by watching his career. Anyhow, watch Garamendi on the House floor, on special orders, in midafternoon your time, some evenings after the regular work of the House is completed. He is usually there with Jackie Spier, who is also impressive. He does a good job of moderating and explaining things in a small group discussion, especially on financial services matters that could be too difficult to understand if not explained well.
jooce

Glendale, CA

#9 May 11, 2010
progressive wrote:
<quoted text> I just wish the whole country knew what nonsense Mormons believe and practice. People would be so appalled they would be in danger of turning Catholic in reaction!
I do know what the Mormons believe and practice but that's still not enough to turn me Catholic. Too much turmoil going on in that faith right now with the gay issue. Besides, reading the bloody and murderous history of the world's oldest church is a big turn-off for me anyway. Not only that, these so-called good Catholic and Mormon Christians teamed up and pooled their congregants tithes together to fight California's prop 8.

I thought that was a big no no because churches are like non-profit organizations and to keep their tax-free status they need to stay out of politics. But since I'm so stupid, what do I know. And what's wrong with gay people marrying each other, it doesn't hurt my marriage, and I can't make the connection on how it's going to hurt my daughter's marriage in July. I thought churches were supposed to teach God, not hate. Oh well, like I said, what do I know :(
jooce

Glendale, CA

#10 May 11, 2010
progressive wrote:
there is a great new California Congressman, Garamendi I think it is spelled. I guess he was your Lt. Gov and I know nothing about that aspect of his career. i liked Ellen Tauchner (sp) very much and am so proud to see her doing well in the State Department on nuclear nonproliferation. what a wonderful honor and responsibility. she has been one of my favorites from California. I like Brad Sherman on some financial things, because he is skeptical and freethinking, even if I would disagree on how to vote when push comes to shove. I am for the progressive populists like Kucinich and Marcy Kaptur and Sherrod Brown of Ohio, and Harkin of Iowa, and the purist reformers like the late great Paul Wellstone, and Russ Feingold, and the two from Vermont, and Kaufmann of Delaware who is better than Biden, much as I adore Joe for the fun and free character I have known for such a long time - both in person when he first came to DC, and then by watching his career. Anyhow, watch Garamendi on the House floor, on special orders, in midafternoon your time, some evenings after the regular work of the House is completed. He is usually there with Jackie Spier, who is also impressive. He does a good job of moderating and explaining things in a small group discussion, especially on financial services matters that could be too difficult to understand if not explained well.
Thanks for the tip on Garamendi, maybe I will start watching politics again. I'm sorta interested in the gov's race but I don't know much about the new faces like Meg Whitman. She was E-Bay's top exec and I understand she is a billionairess and I don't much care for the elite type, I don't have anything against making money afterall I used to live in the land of milk and honey but now corporation owned. Seems to me that those type would be out of touch with the ordinary citizen as they have proved to be time and again.

Ex-gov Jerry Brown, Mayor of Oakland threw his hat back in the ring but he sure is old looking, kinda reminds me of a liberal John McCain if you can imagine such an animal. I sure hope Hollywood doesn't get any bright ideas this time around. The one we have now proved to be a "girly man" afterall when he lost his fight with the legislature up in Sac. He's been a do-nothing ever since. I guess I'll just wait and see what pops outta da sewer. What we have right now is mediocre at best.

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