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Roma

Ukraine

#63 Jun 16, 2009
run outta broken heros wrote:
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There are various degrees of acceptance.
A) You can accept them, praise them and make new leaders in their mould.
B)You can accept that they were badly wrong and bury your head in the sand.
C)You can accept they were bad and correct your notions so that bad mistakes are not repeated.
Of which British tyrants do you speak that are accepted?
Are you ready to curse Oliver Cromvel, the crime and murderer Fransis Drake, The king Henrich VIII as your shadowy past? Cromvel was real tyrant, squashed Parlament and human rights. I want you to repudiate them. It was your mistakes in the history, that you allowed to rule (or to be close to Quinn Elisabeth) such people. Fall down on your knees and beg for pardon!(The last sentence was written in jest:)

And I will cite the good qoutation from one great Soviet film. Sorry, in Russian: "Ne uchi uchionogo, grazhdanin Kopchiony!" Translate it yourself.
Roma

Ukraine

#64 Jun 16, 2009
mr Giblets wrote:
<quoted text>Great posts. I can see you really know your Russian history, and the real spirit of the people, unlike certain persons here. Some people here want us, the English, to apologise for some parts of our history. Why? it happened, and that's that. We accept our monsters and tyrants as well.
I'm glad to read the posts of the people like you and GNR87. It makes me understand, that there are a lot of sensible and reasonable people in UK and USA. I hope, that the persons like "run outta" are not represent the majority of your people. The people like him beleive in everything they were told from BBC and CNN and tells tales and legends about tyranny of Putin in Russia. I suggest that Putin is modern democratic politic who made Russia stronger. It's russian historical tradition to support only one politic, declyning any opposition, but the people like Nemtsov and Yavlinsky made nothing during the 90s, when they were in power, except lefting country for oligarch's robbing. Maybe "run outta" is too young to understand russian history.
run outta broken heros

Bradford, UK

#65 Jun 16, 2009
Roma wrote:
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Oh my God, I'm impressed by your knowledge of history! The 70 per cent of population in Athens were the slaves or metecks - people with limited rights. Add women without any rights and you'll see the real situation in Polis. BTW, Plato's polis was only utopia.
Plato's Republic was indeed only a work of philosophy - but the Polises of Ancient Greece were very real and fully functional.

And I don't need to repeat myself to underline all this was over 2000 years ago. And yet slavery, lack of universal rights and far less interest in the greater good still exist today.

I'll have to return to this later.
run outta broken heros

Bradford, UK

#66 Jun 16, 2009
Roma wrote:
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......Maybe "run outta" is too young to understand russian history.
Maybe Run Outta has direct experience of Russian history which Mr Giblets does not. Perhaps Runna Outta considers a Police State as a horrendous thing, while the likes of Mr Giblets feel that we cannot get enough centralised control, government monitoring of populations, taser weapons for all police officers ... etc.

Mr Giblets would feel quite at ease in Stalin's Soviet Union. Anyway later
Mr Giblets

India

#68 Jun 16, 2009
because I know a lot about Russia does not mean that I approve Stalin's political and social system. Neither does it mean I endorse Hitler and Nazism , just because I know something about that. And to compare our system and Stalin's is pure silliness. You never did tell us where you studied, did you?
Mr Giblets

India

#69 Jun 16, 2009
run outta broken heros wrote:
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Plato's Republic was indeed only a work of philosophy - but the Polises of Ancient Greece were very real and fully functional.
And I don't need to repeat myself to underline all this was over 2000 years ago. And yet slavery, lack of universal rights and far less interest in the greater good still exist today.
I'll have to return to this later.
as Karl Popper said, the "Republic"leads directly to the nazi death camps. If you had any sense you would understand this. It is an elitist's blueprint.
run outta broken heros

Bradford, UK

#70 Jun 16, 2009
Mr Giblets wrote:
because I know a lot about Russia does not mean that I approve Stalin's political and social system. Neither does it mean I endorse Hitler and Nazism , just because I know something about that. And to compare our system and Stalin's is pure silliness. You never did tell us where you studied, did you?
Yeah well you never let on where and what you 'studied' either except some of us are not so nosey to ask.
run outta broken heros

Bradford, UK

#71 Jun 16, 2009
Mr Giblets wrote:
<quoted text>as Karl Popper said, the "Republic"leads directly to the nazi death camps. If you had any sense you would understand this. It is an elitist's blueprint.
Popper was writing with the Nazi experience still fresh in the news. Plato's Republic is a treasure trove of political ideas which all political philosophers have dipped into but but very few have been able to better. I'm not qualified to discuss this at length and it's off topic anyway.

But as you start on the subject, then all I can add right now is to say that any political system can degenerate into a tyranny. That is why strong and independent institutions are needed which can stand up to the government. Primary is a strong judiciary, a free and widely circulated media and a politically weak police force which is subordinated to the rule of law.

With these in place, a slide into the world of Buchenwald or Kolyma remains remote.
Roma

Ukraine

#72 Jun 16, 2009
Mr Giblets wrote:
because I know a lot about Russia does not mean that I approve Stalin's political and social system. Neither does it mean I endorse Hitler and Nazism , just because I know something about that. And to compare our system and Stalin's is pure silliness. You never did tell us where you studied, did you?
Superb post, I accept everything.
Mr Giblets

India

#73 Jun 16, 2009
run outta broken heros wrote:
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Popper was writing with the Nazi experience still fresh in the news. Plato's Republic is a treasure trove of political ideas which all political philosophers have dipped into but but very few have been able to better. I'm not qualified to discuss this at length and it's off topic anyway.
But as you start on the subject, then all I can add right now is to say that any political system can degenerate into a tyranny. That is why strong and independent institutions are needed which can stand up to the government. Primary is a strong judiciary, a free and widely circulated media and a politically weak police force which is subordinated to the rule of law.
With these in place, a slide into the world of Buchenwald or Kolyma remains remote.
well, the republic doesn't have them, just some "philosophers" (the Party) and their "Guardians" (the gestapo) and the mass of plebians and slaves. Seems a blueprint to me.
run outta broken heros

Bradford, UK

#74 Jun 16, 2009
Mr Giblets wrote:
<quoted text>well, the republic doesn't have them, just some "philosophers" (the Party) and their "Guardians" (the gestapo) and the mass of plebians and slaves. Seems a blueprint to me.
Yeah, well that's because for you even the massed works of China could be condensed into a nasal bogey and flicked at the mirror of reason.

Simplicity has it's limits.
run outta broken heros

Bradford, UK

#75 Jun 16, 2009
Roma wrote:
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Superb post, I accept everything.
It's possible to agree with all the facts and still reach the wrong conclusion.

Read this with two words changed:

The Republic is an influential treatise of political science by the Greek philosopher Plato, written in approxmately 390 BC. The dialogue concerns what is called philosophia peri ta anthropina (philosophy of the human things) and it encompasses the areas of economics, political sociology, political philosophy, ethics, justice and knowledge. The political ideas are presented through a paradigm of the good city which is the ground of a manifold of historical city-states differing in grade and declining in quality from its origin. While Plato's conclusion may appear that the ideal community is ruled by philosophers, his actual intent is the education of the haughty and headstrong PUTIN, a staunch aristocratic type that may represent a threat to the continuation of Athenian political life through his force of THE SILOVIKI. It is one of the cornerstones of Western philosophy.

Original words here http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/LX/PlatoRepubli...

I wonder what the 'Agathon' for the Putin regime is?
Mr Giblets

India

#76 Jun 16, 2009
run outta broken heros wrote:
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Yeah, well that's because for you even the massed works of China could be condensed into a nasal bogey and flicked at the mirror of reason.
Simplicity has it's limits.
where are the parts about the judiciary and independent police in the "Republic"?
shouts at the telly

India

#77 Jun 16, 2009
more of the same old crap wrote:
and he thinks he knows more about Russia than the Russians. I am sure they need this unemployable Mancunian to point out their errors. I bet Stalin would have "rewarded" him properly.
he knows all about the war, as he was a sailor and spent it in a bottleshop.
He was well known as a battle-scared veteran.
No New Taxes

Harrisburg, PA

#78 Jun 22, 2009
Roma wrote:
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Really? We had free education, free medical service, cheap dwelling, food, we had n't any unemployment at all! We did n't have any crisises and we had a lot of money on our bank account. Many people want to turn back thet time. Not only in Russia, even in East Germany.
You must be an Obama jock strap (supporter)

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