The Fallout From the Lockerbie Convict's Release

Aug 25, 2009 Full story: www.findingdulcinea.com 34

The release of Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed Al Megrahi by the Scottish government last week has had political and emotional ramifications across borders.

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Jason Lee

Mount Prospect, IL

#24 Aug 26, 2009
Democracy Killer wrote:
U are a dumb ass. When did the USA takeover Scotland. Maybe Obama should Nuke Scotland for making their own desicions in their country.
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This man was convicted of blowing up an American plane killing 270 people, most of them Americans. So, obviously, the American people have a legitimate interest in how his case was resolved.

Since: Jul 09

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#25 Aug 26, 2009
There would have been nothing wrong with Obama speaking on behalf of the 273 Americans and their families. That is if he did not try to apologize for them being Americans. Democracy Killer: I hope you live in a country or move to one where you get a good dose of a non-democratic centralized government controlled life. Cuba might be a good choice for you. Not the US. We are not going down without a fight.
Danniboy

Canberra, Australia

#26 Aug 27, 2009
freedom man wrote:
Democracy Killer: I hope you live in a country or move to one where you get a good dose of a non-democratic centralized government controlled life. Cuba might be a good choice for you. Not the US.
Too true, too true. It might be a good choice for everyone in terms of health, life expectancy, and infant mortality. What with people in Cuba living longer and having a lower infant mortality rate than people in the United States.

That’s a debate I’ve always been interested in: what does it mean to vote if you have to struggle every day just to feed yourself and the kids and you’ll die early because of it? Is someone ‘free’ if they have to work 6-7 days per week to survive? If choosing who the ruler is is a vital part of freedom, without which there can be no freedom, what does that mean for all the Americans who don’t vote?

Or is it that having 1/150millionth of a say in who the next ruler actually has very little to do with freedom and freedom is actually about doing what you want to do (see termination of pregnancy for a controversial example), saying what you want to say (imagine what would happen if someone in America told their classmates religion was lies and its followers deluded) and associating how you want with who you want (see the fact that the United States is the only developed nation in which jurisdictions do NOT make it against the law to fire someone because they are homosexual)?

Having a fraction of a millionth of a say in who the next ruler is. I really don’t understand how that became the be all and end all of ‘freedom’. Let alone in our countries, which long ago abandoned the idea of voting for a representative and slaved themselves to a 2-party system where the vote is more for ideology than anything else. How ‘free’ is someone who always, ALWAYS votes Republican (or Dem, Lib or Labour) regardless of who the candidate is or what the last one did?

As far as I can tell, the only inherent advantage to democracy is that it provides a way of getting rid of a bad leader. If the leader is good, it doesn’t matter: they’ll stay leader for a long time anyway. If the leader is bad…well we’ve just seen 8 years of that in your country and 11 in mine and democracy didn’t prevent it did it? Tho fortunately it did allow us to, eventually, get rid of them.
Chandler

Nashville, TN

#27 Aug 27, 2009
We took in the Shah of Iran when his country overthrew his government in 1979. We harbored Ferdinand Marcos after being ovethrown by Aquino. Both of these American propped up leaders killed a whole lot more people than this guy and we accepted them with open arms during their latter days of their life. Killing is killing regardless if you ordered the bomb, set the bomb or detonated the bomb. It is murder. We went after Saddam with a vengeance very few have seen. But it was a Bush-led America. We've killed thousands upon thousands of people, so no one need be upset over this guy being set free. We are just as guilty, just as lethal, for we kill just as many innocent people with our sanctions, and our foreign policies. We allow for slaughter as we did in East Timor, with our selective foreign policy. Our selective idleness says a lot since we invaded Iraq, yet ignored North Korea. Kick a-- in Afghanistan, yet get ours kicked in Somalia. the number of innocent people killed by this country is horrendous. Whaht this guy did is inexcusable. but we need to look at our governments foreign policy before throwing the first stone.

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#28 Aug 27, 2009
Danniboy wrote:
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Too true, too true. It might be a good choice for everyone in terms of health, life expectancy, and infant mortality. What with people in Cuba living longer and having a lower infant mortality rate than people in the United States.
You can challenge the numbers but if you remove homicide and accidental death the US beats everyone on life expectancy. Child mortality numbers are better as well when you compare them at actual attempted birth numbers. We have more families that choose to try to have kids that might be problem births more then other countries. Right or wrong it is a choice. I am sure that other countries have the choice as well and I am not sure why our families take these chances more then others but that is what the set of data I have seen says. It could be religion that gets them to make these choices!

Voting does not define our freedom in the US. We have a low voter turnout because at one time politicians had very little control over our freedoms and some are just too lazy to go vote. The US citizen takes the responsibility of voting very lightly. If our leaders followed the Constitution there was not much they could do to harm our liberty and freedom. In the US you are free to not vote.

There is no reason for a kid to be starving in the US. If they are it is because their parents are to lazy or proud to sign them up for food stamps or one of the other 100 programs we have available for kids. Most of the kids starving are a product of the welfare state where we encourage lazy people to have kids. Yes it is a flaw in our great nation that the do gooders have created.

Yes we work more hours then the rest of the world but that is because we have more ambition and the more we work the more we profit. It has been one of the reasons that we have stomped the rest of the world in GDP. But don’t worry if the current administration has its way that drive will be sucked out of the US citizen as well and the rest of the world can compete! 6-7 days a week give me a break. There are a few that do that but again mostly on there one accord to achieve some goal they decided on, not the state.

Are you kidding about the religion thing? Classmates can and do say what they wish about religion. That is part of our freedom. It is unfortunately something we have to fight to keep. A kid in the US can have more problems by talking positively about religion then negatively. Because we are a more religious country then most does not mean that you must be religious. What jurisdictions are you talking about that allow firing of homosexuals? News to me but if so we have other jurisdictions that they can move to and be protected to be as out of the closet as they wish.

It is sad that you seem to not understand freedom or the US. A Democratic Republic is just the form of government that we feel allows the US the greatest chance of maintaining our freedom and liberty. It is even sadder that there are way too many in the US that does not understand freedom as well.
wawa

York, UK

#29 Aug 27, 2009
King Kev wrote:
I still don't understand why this gut isn;t rotting in prison.
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stickBoy

Glasgow, UK

#30 Aug 28, 2009
Asian Guy - 270 people were murdered. Of these, 180 were American, 52 were British and the rest were from 19 other countries.
Jazz singer

UK

#31 Aug 28, 2009
Jason Lee wrote:
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the American people have a legitimate interest in how his case was resolved.
An interest maybe, but no jurisdiction: the crime occured in Scotland.
Therefore the suspect had to be tried in Scotland.
The outcome of any decision is a business for Scotland, and Scotland alone.
Shamus

United States

#32 Aug 28, 2009
King Kev wrote:
I still don't understand why this gut isn;t rotting in prison.
Why?

Because Gordon Brown and Scottish Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill swapped justice for Libyan oil and increased trade. That's why.

Since: Sep 07

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#33 Aug 29, 2009
stickBoy wrote:
Asian Guy - 270 people were murdered. Of these, 180 were American, 52 were British and the rest were from 19 other countries.
the following link has the exact breakdown.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_10...
Austin

France

#34 Aug 29, 2009
King Kev wrote:
I still don't understand why this gut isn;t rotting in prison.
Me Too
Catriona

London, UK

#35 Aug 29, 2009
Having been in Lockerbie a few days after this atrocity took place and seeing
the shocking scenes therein, my heart goes out to the relatives of all who were so cruelly killed. The majority of Scots people are as puzzled and
angry about Megrahi's release as the American people and others around
the world. Megrahi has said that he can and will prove his innocence from Libya. If he can do this, justice will have been served but if not a terrible
wrong has been done in Scotland's name. He was charged with this crime
ALONG WITH OTHERS - where did all the others go? A lot of people believe
he was the Scapegoat in all this so let us wait and see what comes back, if
anything, from him on his deathbed.

Since: Sep 07

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#36 Aug 29, 2009
what we have here is an idiot who authorized the release of the murderer.

we should put him in prison to serve out the time that the other guy should have gotten.

Since: Sep 07

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#37 Aug 29, 2009
Chandler wrote:
We took in the Shah of Iran when his country overthrew his government in 1979. We harbored Ferdinand Marcos after being ovethrown by Aquino. Both of these American propped up leaders killed a whole lot more people than this guy and we accepted them with open arms during their latter days of their life. Killing is killing regardless if you ordered the bomb, set the bomb or detonated the bomb. It is murder. We went after Saddam with a vengeance very few have seen. But it was a Bush-led America. We've killed thousands upon thousands of people, so no one need be upset over this guy being set free. We are just as guilty, just as lethal, for we kill just as many innocent people with our sanctions, and our foreign policies. We allow for slaughter as we did in East Timor, with our selective foreign policy. Our selective idleness says a lot since we invaded Iraq, yet ignored North Korea. Kick a-- in Afghanistan, yet get ours kicked in Somalia. the number of innocent people killed by this country is horrendous. Whaht this guy did is inexcusable. but we need to look at our governments foreign policy before throwing the first stone.
you sound like one of those guys who blames everything wrong in the world on america.

give me a break on the quote, "number of innocent people killed by this country is horrendous" bullshit. compared to the rest of the world, america is an angel.

READ...
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM

as for saying that america ALLOWED others to be killed - which makes them just as guilty of committing the deed. another line of bullshit.

china murdered 60+ million in the last century, stalin another 90+ million, pol pet 2+ million, indonesia in 1965 - 500,000, etc. it appears you are saying america is just as guilty of the crime because they ALLOWED it to happen. right?

frankly, I think your logic stinks.

most people whom I have spoken to who think like you are spoon-fed rich kids or muslims. which are you?

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