Firefighters battle blaze in Leominster - Sentinel & Enterprise

There are 20 comments on the Nov 24, 2008, Sentinel & Enterprise story titled Firefighters battle blaze in Leominster - Sentinel & Enterprise. In it, Sentinel & Enterprise reports that:

Firefighters saved 10 cats from a burning Cotton Street apartment building Sunday morning.

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confused

Leominster, MA

#1 Nov 24, 2008
is it me or is it strange that a relatively small fire that happened 1/4 of a mile from the leominster fire station required crews from Sterling and Lunenburg to respond
big deal

Ashburnham, MA

#2 Nov 24, 2008
This is because it takes 3 companies of firefighters to put out a small fire. Also do not forget that at least 20 off duty firefighters were called in on overtime, as well as the chief and deputy. This is a gross abuse of taxpayer dollars, it appears thhe fire departments OT budget in Leominster is 3 times as much as any other department.

How many fires do we actually have here that need that many firefighters?
rjpjr

Amherst, NH

#3 Nov 24, 2008
To "confused" and "big deal", my question to you is what education and experience do you have in fire suppresion and rescue? From your comments, I can safely conclude that neither one of you have a clue as to what resources and personnel are needed for a safe and efficient fire ground operation.
I am a firefighter, not in Leominster, with over 25 years experience as well as a formal college education in fire protection.
Fire protection, suppression, and rescue is a very requires staffing, people, it is very labor orientated. In order to successfully and safely combat a single room fire requires a minimum of 12 personnel, an incident commander, a pump operator or ladder operator for each piece (at least two engines and a ladder) two crews of three or four personnel to advance hose lines as well as a safety/rapid intervention team of three or four firefighters. In addition there is a need to ventilate the building and provide salvage and overhaul operations. Twelve people legitimately and rapidly grows to 16 to 18 to do the job.
Before you two brain trusts speak of things which you have no knowledge of, take the time to learn the facts.
And finally, Leominster has an excellent fire department with strong leadership, there is not a gross abuse of taxpayer dollars there.

“Ignore the trolls”

Since: Oct 08

UK

#4 Nov 24, 2008
Most confusing thing for me is why this is posted on UK forum! Leominster is a smal larket town in Shropshire, not to be confused with Leominster, Ma. Am sure that the firefighters in both townships do sterling work, but perhaps certain topix posters might need a brief course in geography!

“Ignore the trolls”

Since: Oct 08

UK

#5 Nov 24, 2008
Whoops it is a small market town, not a saml arket one!

Since: Nov 08

Bangkok, Thailand

#6 Nov 24, 2008
Obviously they know what they are doing,and we would be lost without them,they deserve every penny they get.

Since: Oct 08

Worcester, MA

#7 Nov 25, 2008
tony1003 wrote:
Most confusing thing for me is why this is posted on UK forum! Leominster is a smal larket town in Shropshire, not to be confused with Leominster, Ma. Am sure that the firefighters in both townships do sterling work, but perhaps certain topix posters might need a brief course in geography!
WTF are you talking about?!?!?!?!?
A Gore

Buzzards Bay, MA

#8 Nov 25, 2008
I invented the modern fire engine.

“Ignore the trolls”

Since: Oct 08

India

#9 Nov 25, 2008
Nitroade wrote:
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WTF are you talking about?!?!?!?!?
This is a UK forum, thus referring to UK news items, stories, etc. The article is on the US town of Leominster, which has nothing to do with the UK. Puzzled why it is on this forum, not US news. Does that now make sense?
Bro

AOL

#10 Nov 25, 2008
rjpjr wrote:
To "confused" and "big deal", my question to you is what education and experience do you have in fire suppresion and rescue? From your comments, I can safely conclude that neither one of you have a clue as to what resources and personnel are needed for a safe and efficient fire ground operation.
I am a firefighter, not in Leominster, with over 25 years experience as well as a formal college education in fire protection.
Fire protection, suppression, and rescue is a very requires staffing, people, it is very labor orientated. In order to successfully and safely combat a single room fire requires a minimum of 12 personnel, an incident commander, a pump operator or ladder operator for each piece (at least two engines and a ladder) two crews of three or four personnel to advance hose lines as well as a safety/rapid intervention team of three or four firefighters. In addition there is a need to ventilate the building and provide salvage and overhaul operations. Twelve people legitimately and rapidly grows to 16 to 18 to do the job.
Before you two brain trusts speak of things which you have no knowledge of, take the time to learn the facts.
And finally, Leominster has an excellent fire department with strong leadership, there is not a gross abuse of taxpayer dollars there.
AMEN!! Very well said. I'm not on the job in Leominster either, but they've got one of the best FD's around. The City of Leominster is getting their money's worth and then some!!

That was far from a "little fire". Keep in mind that all fires start "little". I wasn't there, but it sounds like the fire was running in the walls and ceilings. That takes alot of manpower to open up those spaces and cut off the fire spread.
Amazed

Leominster, MA

#11 Nov 25, 2008
big deal wrote:
This is because it takes 3 companies of firefighters to put out a small fire. Also do not forget that at least 20 off duty firefighters were called in on overtime, as well as the chief and deputy. This is a gross abuse of taxpayer dollars, it appears thhe fire departments OT budget in Leominster is 3 times as much as any other department.
How many fires do we actually have here that need that many firefighters?
When your house catches on fire, make sure when you call 911 you ask them to only send 2 firefighters with a bucket of water.
Leominster resident2

AOL

#12 Nov 25, 2008
rjpjr wrote:
To "confused" and "big deal", my question to you is what education and experience do you have in fire suppresion and rescue? From your comments, I can safely conclude that neither one of you have a clue as to what resources and personnel are needed for a safe and efficient fire ground operation.
I am a firefighter, not in Leominster, with over 25 years experience as well as a formal college education in fire protection.
Fire protection, suppression, and rescue is a very requires staffing, people, it is very labor orientated. In order to successfully and safely combat a single room fire requires a minimum of 12 personnel, an incident commander, a pump operator or ladder operator for each piece (at least two engines and a ladder) two crews of three or four personnel to advance hose lines as well as a safety/rapid intervention team of three or four firefighters. In addition there is a need to ventilate the building and provide salvage and overhaul operations. Twelve people legitimately and rapidly grows to 16 to 18 to do the job.
Before you two brain trusts speak of things which you have no knowledge of, take the time to learn the facts.
And finally, Leominster has an excellent fire department with strong leadership, there is not a gross abuse of taxpayer dollars there.
You couldn't have said it better rjp. I can't help but wonder where some of these people's heads are when they're writing these comments. Unbelievable. If there's ever a fire in your house, god forbid, let's not forget who will be the first ones there to put their own lives at risk to try to save yours and the lives of your loved ones! The firefighters don't get nearly enough credit for what they do. They're very quick to respond and they're very good at what they do. Much respect to all you firefighters!!! keep up your good work.
notacatfan

United States

#13 Nov 25, 2008
Her's a question...why all the cats?
friend of family

Worcester, MA

#15 Nov 26, 2008
First of all I know this family personally and this was not a "small" fire. The fire totally destroyed the 2nd floor. The firefighters had to knock out walls on the first floor. This poor family cannot go back to this house to live. So yes every firefighter and piece of equipment that was called out was necessary. Get your facts. And as far as why all the cats, that's not anyone's business. I didn't see one single post wishing this family well or being thankful that everyone got out safely. They are very lucky and thankful that their family is all safe. I wish them the best in getting back on their feet and getting their life back together. Maybe some of you out there judging others should be thankful this holiday season that your family is safe and sound in their own homes.
Ryan Young

Leominster, MA

#16 Nov 27, 2008
Confused and Big Deal:
Thank you so much for your excellent input. I am a firefighter in Leominster, and rest assured you do have a top notch department protecting you. I was at the fire the other day, and it was not a "small fire". Fires may start small but can get dangerous in a hurry. If it's all the same to you, we all would like to go home at the end of the day. If that means that we need to have more firefighters there than you might like, then so be it. No apologies will be given here for doing our job to the best of our abilities. Rest assured though, that if something happens to someone you love, we will be there for you. No questions asked. We will do everything that we can and more for you. Finally, the next time you see us working, and think there are too many of us, and we are wasting your money, please also think to yourself, " do I want too be the one to tell someone's kids that dad's not coming home tonight, because there wasn't enough help.- Ryan Young (no anonymity needed here)
big deal wrote:
This is because it takes 3 companies of firefighters to put out a small fire. Also do not forget that at least 20 off duty firefighters were called in on overtime, as well as the chief and deputy. This is a gross abuse of taxpayer dollars, it appears thhe fire departments OT budget in Leominster is 3 times as much as any other department.
How many fires do we actually have here that need that many firefighters?
Kudos to Firefighters

Sudbury, MA

#17 Nov 27, 2008
big deal wrote:
This is because it takes 3 companies of firefighters to put out a small fire. Also do not forget that at least 20 off duty firefighters were called in on overtime, as well as the chief and deputy. This is a gross abuse of taxpayer dollars, it appears thhe fire departments OT budget in Leominster is 3 times as much as any other department.
How many fires do we actually have here that need that many firefighters?
Pay no mind to "Big Deal". There are some people who are against everything.

I work in the area and have driven by the fire scene a few times. The firefighters are to be commended for doing such a great job protecting the other properties that are so close in that part of town.

big deal

Ashburnham, MA

#18 Nov 29, 2008
I'm glad all the firefighters have time to be responding to blogs. I am surprised your not sitting outside on your bench or grilling out back. That's right it is cold out and if you catch a cold who is going to put out the fire.
Mr Big

Fitchburg, MA

#19 Nov 29, 2008
big deal wrote:
I'm glad all the firefighters have time to be responding to blogs. I am surprised your not sitting outside on your bench or grilling out back. That's right it is cold out and if you catch a cold who is going to put out the fire.
Big Deal ,..You are about as entertaining as a child's inflatable punching toy. You bop it, it springs back, you bop it again and you forget it ever existed. It slowly deflates in an unused corner, then one day you throw it away.
I used to think that you were a gibbering idiot. Now, after reading your latest post, I have a much lower opinion of you
Bro

Webster, MA

#20 Nov 29, 2008
"Big Deal", has anybody ever explained to you that Ignorance is not a Point of View?
Sounds like somebody got his toy fire engine taken away when he was a kid......There are some good therapists that can help you with that, you know....
SRC

Brattleboro, VT

#21 Nov 29, 2008
big deal wrote:
I'm glad all the firefighters have time to be responding to blogs. I am surprised your not sitting outside on your bench or grilling out back. That's right it is cold out and if you catch a cold who is going to put out the fire.
What exactly should they be doing when there's not an emergency to respond to? This is hardly the type of job that has "busy work" to be completed.
Don't be a douche bag.

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