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OK Gerry - let's have border poll on Republic rejoining UK

There are 434 comments on the Fermanagh Today story from Jan 26, 2013, titled OK Gerry - let's have border poll on Republic rejoining UK. In it, Fermanagh Today reports that:

In an apparent attempt to exacerbate unionist disaffection with current efforts to marginalise their culture and traditions, Gerry Adams, a TD from Louth in the Republic of Ireland, chooses this week to call for a border poll.

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Anonymous

UK

#212 Mar 5, 2013
Roderic wrote:
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Because they are US nuclear weapons, controlled by the US.
Why do you think Americans are against the UK breaking up? Because they will have nowhere to keep their missiles.
This so-called "independent" deterrant was only introduced by that awful Prime Minister Harold Macmillan in 1957 to distract from him handing African countries over to racist anti-white dictators.
The are not us weapons you idiot, the warheads are British, and you still hacnt explained how America have any controll of British nukes, you are beyond stupid, the only people with control of British nukes is Britain
Anonymous

UK

#213 Mar 5, 2013
Roderic wrote:
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Check it out on the Free Republic. Obama gave the UK's secret codes to Russia several years ago.
You are a joke, an absolute joke, anerica does not ha(e british codes you dumbass, and they never will, no one will except Britain, and America would never give any codes to Russia, you are one of those crazy people sitting in your tin foil hat, reading conspiracy books in your shanghai commie block, and what is the point of having someone elses codes anyway, it won't help you, but the fact that you believe such nonsense shows what a buffoon you are, commie boy slave
Iranian Truth

Podgorica, Montenegro

#214 Mar 5, 2013
straa wrote:
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The are not us weapons you idiot, the warheads are British, and you still hacnt explained how America have any controll of British nukes, you are beyond stupid, the only people with control of British nukes is Britain
America could Nuke UK.
USA was superior then UK even 200 years ago.....
UK is joke...
UK is so.....GAY.....ha ha ha

Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#216 Mar 5, 2013
Roderic wrote:
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The Parliament of Scotland colonised Ulster from 1609 onwards.
It was done under the one BRITISH monarch to make Ulster more loyal to that monarch......And yes I know about the Scottish connection to the throne, especially at that time.

However there is no point in having the ''we're all in it together'' attitude about the UK, and then blaming certain parts for this and that.

There was no Scottish parliament at the time when NI was created as an entity, therefore an independent Scotland would have absolutely no obligation to NI whatsoever.

Why are you trying to pass on British colonial mistakes to the Scots anyway?
Roderic

UK

#217 Mar 6, 2013
Dubbadub wrote:
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It was done under the one BRITISH monarch to make Ulster more loyal to that monarch......And yes I know about the Scottish connection to the throne, especially at that time.
However there is no point in having the ''we're all in it together'' attitude about the UK, and then blaming certain parts for this and that.
There was no Scottish parliament at the time when NI was created as an entity, therefore an independent Scotland would have absolutely no obligation to NI whatsoever.
Why are you trying to pass on British colonial mistakes to the Scots anyway?
The Scots are British, and Ireland was never a colony. It was part of the UK.

Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#218 Mar 6, 2013
Roderic wrote:
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The Scots are British, and Ireland was never a colony. It was part of the UK.
Ireland only joined the UK in 1800. What was it for the few hundred years under British settler rule before then? The Penal Laws caused most of the problems on this island, the Penal Laws pretty much said ''oh your Catholic and have been for over 1000 years, your not allowd the same rights as Protestants (settlers) in Ireland ''......

Crazy.........

Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#219 Mar 6, 2013
I don't hold any grudges over it, nor do Irish people in general. But don't try and pretend it was all sunshine and lollipops if it had been we'd still be in the UK......
Roderic

Chatham, UK

#220 Mar 6, 2013
Dubbadub wrote:
I don't hold any grudges over it, nor do Irish people in general. But don't try and pretend it was all sunshine and lollipops if it had been we'd still be in the UK......
Great Britain never had control of all of Ireland until May 1800.
The vast majority of Irish people in 1918 wanted to remain in the UK.

Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#221 Mar 6, 2013
Roderic wrote:
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Great Britain never had control of all of Ireland until May 1800.
The vast majority of Irish people in 1918 wanted to remain in the UK.
On paper no, in practice they definitely did after the 1690's.....

No the vast majority of Irish people voted for pro-independence parties in the 1918 elections......

In 1912 the majority were in favour of Home Rule, until the Loyalists set up a terrorist group and threatened a civil war if devolution for Ireland within the UK happened.....
Roderic

Chatham, UK

#222 Mar 6, 2013
Dubbadub wrote:
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On paper no, in practice they definitely did after the 1690's.....
No the vast majority of Irish people voted for pro-independence parties in the 1918 elections......
In 1912 the majority were in favour of Home Rule, until the Loyalists set up a terrorist group and threatened a civil war if devolution for Ireland within the UK happened.....
I'm so glad King William III won the Battle of the Boyne.

People vote for political parties for all sorts of reasons. Many Scots voted for the SNP in 2011 even though only 22% will vote to stop living off welfare from England.

Home Rule meant the end of the UK. The Conservatives were right to support the legendary hero Lord Carson in his campaign to save Ulster from the Communists in the south.
Dubbadub

Ireland

#223 Mar 6, 2013
Roderic wrote:
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I'm so glad King William III won the Battle of the Boyne.
People vote for political parties for all sorts of reasons. Many Scots voted for the SNP in 2011 even though only 22% will vote to stop living off welfare from England.
Home Rule meant the end of the UK. The Conservatives were right to support the legendary hero Lord Carson in his campaign to save Ulster from the Communists in the south.
The Battle of the Boyne is greatly overestimated. It wasn't even a big battle by the standards of the time. Nor was it anything really to do with Protestants in Ulster......

Sinn Fein in 1918 were vastly different than the current SNP. Plus they received something like 80% of the vote showing just how many of the public supported independence in 1918. The Loyalists helped split up the UK when they imported weapons from Germany in 1914 and threatened to destabalise the UK for their German friends....

Carson viewed partition as a failure and knew NI couldn't survive as a viable entity because of this.....
Roderic

Chatham, UK

#224 Mar 6, 2013
Dubbadub wrote:
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The Battle of the Boyne is greatly overestimated. It wasn't even a big battle by the standards of the time. Nor was it anything really to do with Protestants in Ulster......
Sinn Fein in 1918 were vastly different than the current SNP. Plus they received something like 80% of the vote showing just how many of the public supported independence in 1918. The Loyalists helped split up the UK when they imported weapons from Germany in 1914 and threatened to destabalise the UK for their German friends....
Carson viewed partition as a failure and knew NI couldn't survive as a viable entity because of this.....
The IRA rigged the General Election of December 1918, which in any case was not a referendum on breaking up the UK.

The UK had already been destroyed by Home Rule.

Funny how Northern Ireland is still a viable entity to this day ...

Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#225 Mar 6, 2013
Roderic wrote:
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The IRA rigged the General Election of December 1918, which in any case was not a referendum on breaking up the UK.
The UK had already been destroyed by Home Rule.
Funny how Northern Ireland is still a viable entity to this day ...
Haha you really are crazy.....What did they rig it using? Hurley sticks? Because they hadn't much else in 1918.....

Oh yes an entity that has lost money every year for the past 90 years. How viable.....
Anonymous

UK

#226 Mar 6, 2013
Dubbadub wrote:
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Haha you really are crazy.....What did they rig it using? Hurley sticks? Because they hadn't much else in 1918.....
Oh yes an entity that has lost money every year for the past 90 years. How viable.....
He's a fruit cake, two spoons short of a picnic, he really does say some retarded nonsense, I know one thing for certain, he is not English
Just a thought

Beloit, WI

#227 Mar 6, 2013
Ireland has to choose between stability/prosperity or terrorism/sectarian violence.The Plantation of Ulster and the Virginia Plantation at Jamestown occurred at roughly the same time.Many British settlers chose Virginia over Ulster.
Roderic

UK

#228 Mar 7, 2013
Dubbadub wrote:
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Haha you really are crazy.....What did they rig it using? Hurley sticks? Because they hadn't much else in 1918.....
Oh yes an entity that has lost money every year for the past 90 years. How viable.....
Returning officers were threatened by IRA gunmen unless they said the Sinn Fein candidate was elected.
Derry Irish

Glasgow, UK

#229 Mar 7, 2013
Roderic wrote:
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Great Britain never had control of all of Ireland until May 1800.
The vast majority of Irish people in 1918 wanted to remain in the UK.
What Crap!!, Act of Union came in to force o the 1st of Jan 1801, even at that the act wasn't passed until July 1800. 1918 Westminister General Election saw the vast majority of Sinn Fein takin the Irish Seats, who then in turn formed their own, albeit, unoffical, Dail. Does that sound like MP's with a large mandate , wanting to remain part of the UK?...Come on now you idiot, only reason our Island was partitioned was because of the legacy of the Plantation of Ulster in 1608/09 which seen six counties of one of our provinces with a large population of British and Scottish Planters who wanted to remain part of the UK. Finally though , that will remedy itself when the old majority will soon enough become the minority and our great Country will once again be re-unified, under a government for all people from all backgrounds :-)

Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#230 Mar 7, 2013
Roderic wrote:
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Returning officers were threatened by IRA gunmen unless they said the Sinn Fein candidate was elected.
Absolute nonsense.

80% of the popular vote went to a pro-independence movement in 1918.....

Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#231 Mar 7, 2013
Just a thought wrote:
Ireland has to choose between stability/prosperity or terrorism/sectarian violence.The Plantation of Ulster and the Virginia Plantation at Jamestown occurred at roughly the same time.Many British settlers chose Virginia over Ulster.
Interesting, roughly the same time too.

Are the people who settled at Jamestown (USA) still British to this day too? Or did they integrate?

Our settler descendants from the 1600's period struggle with the concept of integration, even to this day......Settler descendants from earlier periods didn't have a problem, people who have came to Ireland in the past 10 years haven't had a problem.

Strange that. Isn't it?
Derry Irish

Glasgow, UK

#232 Mar 7, 2013
Dubbadub wrote:
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Interesting, roughly the same time too.
Are the people who settled at Jamestown (USA) still British to this day too? Or did they integrate?
Our settler descendants from the 1600's period struggle with the concept of integration, even to this day......Settler descendants from earlier periods didn't have a problem, people who have came to Ireland in the past 10 years haven't had a problem.
Strange that. Isn't it?
Been making that point for a long time, not quite within the context of Virginia but someone in the past pointed out to me that our country was invaded by vikings and was full of 'planters' lol, to which I replied that we're still not under their rule, i.e the united kingdom of the Netherlands and Ireland.

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