Pan Am 103 family members slam Obama, Clinton

Mar 15, 2011 Full story: Examiner.com 26

As the disturbing events unfold in Libya, many Americans are wondering why there is so much talk but little action from the Obama administration.

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Frank Duggan

Alexandria, VA

#1 Mar 20, 2011
The Administration is receiving criticism from several quarters, but not from us. Mr. Hudson speaks for himself.
Frank Duggan, President
Victims of Pan Am 103, Inc.
Charles Norrie

UK

#2 Mar 20, 2011
Despite the bombastic Mr Duggan's beliefs, the received view here in the UK is that Mr Megrahi was stitched up by the CIA. My own views go further and I can prove (but Mr Duggan does not like proof or rational argument) that Pan Am 103 was blown up by a joint action by the US and Iran working together, designed to give Iran its one and one only revenge for the destruction of Pan Am 103, itself downed deliberately by the USS Vincennes, which the CIA thought was carrying the Iranian link-man in Iran-contra, Mr Ahmad Beladi Behbehani.

It is a very coherent argument that I put forward, but Mr Duggan does not do reason. Poor man.
Bunntamas

Sausalito, CA

#3 Mar 20, 2011
While Charles Norrie may be a "victim", he is NOT a family member of the Victims of Pan Am 103, has not been involved with the families of PA103, EVER, and has zero knowledge of the aforesaid families' history, deep relationship with Mr. Duggan, nor their accomplismnents in the memory of the loss of loved ones at the hands of the Libyan regime / mass murderers - INCLUDING MEGRAHI.
In short. Charles Norrie is a nut-job.
Charles Norrie

UK

#4 Apr 11, 2011
Dear Bunntamas. I have never said that i was connected in anyway with Lockerbie, but my brother was killed in UT-772, a bombing provably attributable to Libya. I have very close connections with some of the Lockerbie families in the UK, like the Dixes, the Swires, the Cadmans, and the Moseys. And I am invited to UKFF103 (UK Families Flight 103) meetings. I know nothing of the American families relationship with Mr Duggan, except I know he has duped them, and is a thoroughly unreliable character. And despite the capitals Mr Bunntamas, Mr Magrahi (sic) is not a mass murderer. I hope you've got deep pockets, if he decides to sue you in the courts.
Charles Norrie

London, UK

#5 May 2, 2011
Nearly six weeks has one by since your attack on me, Mr Bunntamas on 20 March 2011, but I suppose you are having to deal with Mr Magrahi's (sic) lawyers over your libel.

The law grinds ever so small and ever so fine, and it will take a time to empty your pockets. Now apologise.
Charles Norrie

London, UK

#7 May 3, 2011
Dear Bunntamas,

You have not apologised yet for calling me a nut job. I am not a victim either in inverted commas or not of Lockerbie or any other terrorist attack. My brother was killed on UT-772 so was a victim, I believe what is crudely called Libyan terror. I don't know what the Libyans call it, but shortly before UT-772 the Libyan media broadcast a statement that "good news is to be expected".

I have worked out that the destruction of Pan Am 103 was the one and one only revenge granted to Iran by the US for the deliberate shooting down of IR655, the Iranian Airbus. It destruction was nothing to do with Liby, a lie concocted by the CIA.(Is that what makes me a nut-job, that I believe that the CIA can carry out an action as wicked as blowing up an aircraft?). If the Pan Am 103 is properly attributed to Iran and the US and their agencies the Pasdaran and the CIA, I do nt want the authorities in Libya turning round and saying "but we didn't do UT-772, either".

Now will you apologise. You know my email addresss and can contact me.
Charles Norrie

London, UK

#8 May 4, 2011
Still have apologised. You seem to be a coward Mr Bunntamas.
Charles Norrie

London, UK

#9 May 10, 2011
You still have to apologise Mr Bunntamas. You cannot run away from making assertions, that you think I have made, and have always been extremely careful to state who I am and what excatly my connection with Pan Am 103 is and why solving it is important to me. Mr Bunntamas is one of those people who go on about conspiracy theorists, without understanding that if there were no conspiracies by the US Government and the CI, there would be no conspiray theorists. He' one of those people who believe the USis a becaon to the world, and the rest of the world knows that to be untue and in fact it's a thoroghly greedy, hateful, self interesd demagoguery, which does not obey the tenets of international law. In fact a PARIAH.
Charles Norrie

London, UK

#10 May 12, 2011
No apology yet, Mr Bunntamas
Charles Norrie

UK

#11 May 16, 2011
Nor yet gain, Mr Bunntamas, 17 May 2011
Charles Norrie

UK

#12 May 19, 2011
Still not apologised, Mr Bunntamas. I'll go on until you do. My hitrate Google "name" and "Pam Am 103" has reached 5,500 and yours is a paltry 2,400. So what I am saying is ceratinly getting known out there. More that the silly conspiracy denying stuff you indulge in that is intellectually substandard.
Charles Norrie

UK

#13 May 29, 2011
I have now been waiting for Mr Bunntamas to apologise for two and a half months for saying that I allege things I have never done.

I first spoke on a Lockerbie relative by telephone on 20 September 1989 a day after my brother's death on UT-772.

Subsequently because the Swire family and mine had a friend in common (the world can sometimes be that small), I was invited to meet him at his home in Bromsgrove.

I then became friends with many of the other UK Lockerbie relatives and have met one or two of American and Spanish relatives, though the Spanish relative I met would rather prefer, I think, to be called Basque.

At no time have I ever tried to claim to be a Lockerbie relative.

I belong to the UK families group, and sometimes attend their meetings. I am cautious not to speak on matters to do with group policy, though I support their aims wholeheartedly.

Jokingly I always refer to myself as the semi-detached member of the group.

I normally brief them on my position on Lockerbie and UTA, but many in the group do not regard my views as authoritative (which they aren't).

One member of UKFF103 has said "But Charles, there is more to Lockerbie than logic". This is not a position I can adopt, and there are enough gaps in logic in the current ruling theory such as "how did Mr Magrahi get the bomb suitcase onto KM-180", for which even Mr Marquise will say he can't tell.

And there is no reliable evidence that such a suitcase ever flew from Malta.

I call that sort of reasoning relying on magic, which you can't do, if you are to be a real detective, which I cannot believe Mr Marquise is.

He was also involved in the aftermath of the Oklahoma bombing, so he has a death on his conscience, if he has one.

Now, Mr Bunntamas, an apology. Everything you publicly write on the net, I read, by the way.
Bunntamas

Sausalito, CA

#14 Jun 4, 2011
Get a life Norrie.
Charles Norrie

London, UK

#15 Jun 4, 2011
Bunntamas wrote:
Get a life Norrie.
I have a life Mr Bunntamas, and I want an apology from you because you say I have claimed things I never have. I happen to know who carried out the bombing of Pan Am 103, and I do not agree with the political and indefensible position Mr Duggan puts forward, but he is a political appointee and has no principles and cannot understand the truth even when he is hit in the face with it. Now that apology, or is going to go on and on for ever. You are already more than a paragraph in my book.
Charles Norrie

UK

#18 Jul 5, 2011
I'm still waiting, Mr Bunntamas, a month later. None of your insults now.
Bunntamas

San Rafael, CA

#19 Jul 17, 2011
Oh, Norrie,
Perhaps rather than "holding your breath" on an apology from me (which is not going to happen, for obvious reasons), you might go have a nice lie down. Or continue holding your breath. Either one seems suitable.
Charles Norrie

UK

#21 Aug 5, 2011
I don't shut up, have a nice lie down and I shall continue to demand from you an apology for things I have never said and claimed.

Now be gracious, grown up and sensible and not like the small child in a tantrum in the way you are behaving.

Once you make that very slightest little step, like an adult, I shall have nothing to say about it again.

Go on. My patience is longer than your temper.
Bunntamas

San Rafael, CA

#22 Aug 20, 2011
It would appear to me, and all who read your comments, Norrie, that you are the one with the temper and adolescent petulence. Do keep holding your breath like a child for an apology that is not going to happen. Maybe you'll pass out and give us all a sigh of relief, as well ss more laughs.
~B.
Charles Norrie

UK

#23 Aug 20, 2011
Abuse again, Mr Bunntamas, who does not use his real name. Too ashamed to tell us, I suppose.

Let's get back to the real issue, particularly to grab the the attention of Mr Frank Duggan, who was foisted on VPAF103, and who is not a victim and neither in UK terms or are any members of VPAF103 a victim, for all the victims of that atrocity are dead. They are either friends or relatives if victims, or in Mr Duggan's caase, neither.

Mr Duggan is like a Mr Bert Schlossberg who does exactly the same job for the victims of KAL007, in other words prevents them from looking at more than the receieved truh. There's a similar role for the survivors and friends of those killed in WTC, and you will remember that Congress passed a special act essentially capping how much compensation the relatives and victims could receive.

It would have been a simple trick by your CIA to have said they could prove that the young suicides in 9/11 were Saudi Government agents and at the going rate for compensation $143M/life set in the matter of the 7 US dead in UT-772, decided in US Federal Courts Eastern District tat would have been a bill of over 2 trillion dollars for the dead of 9/11, which even the Saudis with their unlimited wealth would find a bit steep.

But the Saudi as special, and their oil wealth vrtually shores up the bankrupt US financial system, so the only flights from the US during the lock down were those laid on for fleeing Saudis who preferred their land under Alla, than yours under God, and probably feared for their lives as well they might.

Well they could be bombed into paying it, I suppose
Charles Norrie

UK

#24 Sep 13, 2011
About time you came out of retirement and hurled another bit of abuse at me, Mr Bunntamas. Is it the standard way of debate in the US to indulge in ad hominem insults upon debating rivals.

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