British police ignored warnings over ...

British police ignored warnings over riots

There are 15 comments on the The Statesman story from Aug 21, 2011, titled British police ignored warnings over riots. In it, The Statesman reports that:

Police were told 'in no uncertain terms' of the simmering anger after the death of Mark Duggan, the 29-year-old Tottenham man who was shot dead by officers, according to minutes from an emergency meeting held hours before the first rioting erupted on streets of Tottenham, north London.

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Felicity Cavdendish

Dunstable, UK

#1 Aug 29, 2011
I would have thought the real issue here is why the riots took place- not how well the police dealt with them..

Why does this country have so many sink estates and poor education for the white and black underclass? Why is thre so little social mobility and waste of talent?

In the wake of those riots, comfotable journalists- 60% of British journalists come from the upper and upper middle classes- almost universally condemned the rioters. The Mail published a piece by a rather smug columnist. It carried the headline:'Rioters looting Britain.' This rather sums up the British establishment's aversion to truth.

It is British banks and the likes of RBS's Fred Godwin who have been looting our society. They make big bonuses even when their gambling with the British economy fails miserably.

As for the police, well they should not have shot the guy. But that was an outcome of the way the British police are organised.Britain's armed police have a poor record and even shot a bloke carrying a table leg wrapped in brown paper.

There is no department of internal affairs in Britain, as in the U.S. When something goes wrong, they are allowed to investigate themselves.Even if one of the polcie's professional standards officers wanted to out a corrupt senior officer, he'd have to risk the wrath of colleagues and the end of his career path if he failed to pull it off.

The current system of dealing with corrupt or incompetent officers only works when the top cops want to scapegoat an underling, but as we see with the Cleveland Deputy and Chief Constable Fraud case, the elite police are generally untouchable and expect to get away with doing as they like- while we pay for their luxury cars,personal drivers and fat salaries.

These senior officers are in a weird organisation called ACPO. ACPO enjoys a cosy symbiotic relationship with the political elite. Between them, they argue and effect laws primarily for the benefit of that ruling elite- many of whom can trace their ancestors back to William the Conqueror. The recent riots will lead to no effective social reform, but it will enhance the British Police State- and further erode civil liberties.

“Keep Britain Pagan”

Since: Jun 08

London, UK

#2 Aug 29, 2011
What sort of social reforms do you want to see?

I'm certainly not from a privileged background, and I can tell you that a good percentage of the people who live on London's sink estates are bigger enemies of social mobility than folk further 'up the ladder'.

Someone living in a 'poor area'(make of that what you will) in London can easily find the work to better themselves, but will probably have to work on an average of two hours sleep a night until they can get themselves into a better area, which will cost them a grand a month minimum (if they want to get away from welfare dependant slobs who play hip hop all night just to be anti-social) and they'll often find themselves with less money than ever before.

If anything, it's the softly softly approach towards utter scumbags that keeps people trapped at the bottom of society, in London at least. That combined with greedy landlords who take advantage of the benefits system to keep rental prices in London ridiculously high.

I'd like to see a rent cap, and some serious no-nonsense policing when it comes to anti-social behaviour. That's just two simple things that would go a Hell of a long way towards giving poorer Londoners a reason to give a shit about their society.
Felicity Cavdendish

Dunstable, UK

#3 Aug 29, 2011
This is a reply to Gaz. Firstly, I agree with some things you say and thanks for responding. I am writing off thew top of my head and don't have time to edit.I would like to see education taking note of boys needs, not just comparing them adversely with girls' exam results.

I would like to see much stronger controls on banks, a tax systrem that did not hit the lower earners and a media that did not have such a class biased agenda that extends to scripts with a conformist message and scapegoats the vulnerable and ignorant.

Flat rate taxes system would raise more money because there would be less bureaucracy.

I am really talking about economic as much as social reforms. I would like to see serious changes in the ways that laws are made and an truly independent means of monitoring the police. Corrupt cops and politicians are terrible role models as are fornicating footballers.

The police- senior officers- are playing too big a part in running our society and politicians are too busy interacting with ACPO officers- who are not easily checked or controlled. Police authorities are packed with comfortable people The Independent Police Complaints Commission is a mailing service for our regional police forces to investigate themselves.

Police need urgent reform andgreater accountability to command respect and gain cooperation. They rushed in large numbers to protect Fred Godwin, yet people are jailed for defending their own property.

Bickering, baying and cheating politicians also set terrible role models for anyone, let alone the young.
Our society has an ambiguous attitude to Islam and establishment racism seems to be OK while those hard pressed for housing and jobs, are villified as soon as they step out of line.

Tax, social attitudes and the dominance of a social elite are big problems in this country.

As part of an establishment strategy to bury social protest alternative media faces draconian controls and marches are banned, significantly outside parliament.

Without warrant or accountability,the police monitor internet and private phone calls, justified by the war on terror. There is obviously much scope to debate British foreign policy since 1990

The likes of Fred Godwin will be protected by gagging orders while the little people will go oin being nedia canon fodder. The little folk will also be encouraged to watch TV and cheer for Britain in an Olympics which they will not be able to afford tickets or time off work for- only 25% of jobs on the Olympic stadium went to local workers and local business will be wiped out while big business and media make a fortune. No wonder the young are alienated and will do anything to get a flat screen TV or other escapist electronic goods.

On the road to a truly reformed society, the most obvious thing to do would be to abolish the ridiculous and outdated Royal family.

This lot started when the government went begging for someone vaguely related to the last of the Stuarts to stop the Jacobins. They found an obscure prince from a tiny German state. He said he would come as long as he didn't have to learn English.

The situation has become even more ludicrous as British Royalty has progressively diluted their wonderful Royal blood by marrying so many different rich commoners. It is ludicrous, as is the House of Lords. But Brits aren't taught to think, they are taught to drink.

Soap operas and sport havw replaced Karl Marx's notion of religion being the opium of the masses.

I said the country needs social reform. I didn't say I expected it to get it. too much wealth and power is in the hands of the few.

In a consumerist society with little manufacturing, too much money goes into the hands of an elite reducing money for consumerism by the masses.
The major problem in this country is the obsequeous class culture which did so much to destroy British industry.

In a nutshell, this sad sick country will go on deforming before any one contemplates reforming it.
Felicity Cavdendish

Dunstable, UK

#4 Aug 29, 2011
This is a reply to Gaz. Firstly, I agree with some things you say and thanks for responding. I am writing off thew top of my head and don't have time to edit.I would like to see education taking note of boys needs, not just comparing them adversely with girls' exam results.

I would like to see much stronger controls on banks, a tax systrem that did not hit the lower earners and a media that did not have such a class biased agenda that extends to scripts with a conformist message and scapegoats the vulnerable and ignorant.

Flat rate taxes system would raise more money because there would be less bureaucracy.

I am really talking about economic as much as social reforms. I would like to see serious changes in the ways that laws are made and an truly independent means of monitoring the police. Corrupt cops and politicians are terrible role models as are fornicating footballers.

The police- senior officers- are playing too big a part in running our society and politicians are too busy interacting with ACPO officers- who are not easily checked or controlled. Police authorities are packed with comfortable people The Independent Police Complaints Commission is a mailing service for our regional police forces to investigate themselves.

Police need urgent reform andgreater accountability to command respect and gain cooperation. They rushed in large numbers to protect Fred Godwin, yet people are jailed for defending their own property.

Bickering, baying and cheating politicians also set terrible role models for anyone, let alone the young.
Our society has an ambiguous attitude to Islam and establishment racism seems to be OK while those hard pressed for housing and jobs, are villified as soon as they step out of line.

Tax, social attitudes and the dominance of a social elite are big problems in this country.

As part of an establishment strategy to bury social protest alternative media faces draconian controls and marches are banned, significantly outside parliament.

Without warrant or accountability,the police monitor internet and private phone calls, justified by the war on terror. There is obviously much scope to debate British foreign policy since 1990

The likes of Fred Godwin will be protected by gagging orders while the little people will go oin being nedia canon fodder. The little folk will also be encouraged to watch TV and cheer for Britain in an Olympics which they will not be able to afford tickets or time off work for- only 25% of jobs on the Olympic stadium went to local workers and local business will be wiped out while big business and media make a fortune. No wonder the young are alienated and will do anything to get a flat screen TV or other escapist electronic goods.

On the road to a truly reformed society, the most obvious thing to do would be to abolish the ridiculous and outdated Royal family.
QUITTNER

Toronto, Canada

#5 Aug 29, 2011
12:49 Monday, 29 August, 2011
RE: British police ignored warnings over riots
..... Do riots work? If so, then many more must be expected.
..... Did every one, or at least most of them, who participated in the riots tell their politicians whatever they think should be different/changed? That is what politicians are for in theory, to make sure the governments do what the public wants them to do if it's practical/feasible.
..... There are all sorts of laws and everyone is supposed to OBEY everyone of them always. The police is required to enforce laws, they are paid to do that, taxpayers pay a lot of money for law enforcement, the prison system, and the lawyers.
Rioters do not obey what the police wants them to do or not do, and they "put sand into the machinery" causing a lot of damage and many other criminal activities, etc.

“Keep Britain Pagan”

Since: Jun 08

London, UK

#6 Aug 29, 2011
The Royal Family (with the exception of Andrew, who is a rightcunt) are good for this country, and I think they should be more hands on in the way in the way we're governed.

I'd trust people like Charles and Philip more than any politician these days. Make no mistake, they actually care about this country and it's people. Politicians can be bought, and will rarely put principles before career interests.

Tony Blair actually said the other day that many of his policies were bad for the country, but good from a political point of view. I say let the Royals have more of a say over these career minded snakes.
Dawn Swoop

Nuneaton, UK

#7 Aug 29, 2011
the riots started because some blacks thought (as usual) that they had "been disrespected" , whatever that means, so they started rioting and wrecking their "hood". This started all the other "sensitive areas" off, so the crusties, anarchists and assorted street scum joined in. IF it was against the government and the Royal family and the banks, then why were NO banks, government offices or royal palaces attacked?
umm

United States

#8 Aug 29, 2011
Them rioters (animals) were protesting the death of a criminal and themselves killed 5 or 6 people. The rest of Britain should raise up and hunt them down.
OnlyAvEyesForHer

Milton Keynes, UK

#10 Aug 30, 2011
May I ask why you guys think it was only black people rioting?
OnlyAvEyesForHer

Milton Keynes, UK

#12 Aug 30, 2011
Hippysocks wrote:
It's got nothing to do with colour. It was a big shove to push the police as hard as we could. The black comunity will get blamed but thats bollocks. its every scally tryin to have a go.

Thats why it spread to other cities, because we are testing the police and all the lads got o the bandwagon
Thank you!

Since: Nov 08

Cologne- Germany

#13 Aug 30, 2011
"As the poor of Britain rise in a fury of inchoate rage and stock exchanges worldwide experience manic upswings and panicked swoons, the financial elite (and their political operatives) are arrayed in a defensive posture, even as they continue their global-wide, full-spectrum offensive vis-à-vie The Shock Doctrine. Concurrently, corporate mass media types fret over the reversal of fortune and trumpet the triumphs of the self-serving agendas of Wall Street and corporate swindlers…even as they term a feller, in ill-gotten possession of a flat screen television, fleeing through the streets of North London, a mindless thug.

According to the through-the-looking-glass cosmology of mass media elitists, when a poor person commits a crime of opportunity, his actions are a threat to all we hold dear and sacred, but, when the hyper-wealthy of the entrenched looter class abscond with billions, those criminals are referred to as our financial leaders."
http://philrockstroh.com/

Since: Nov 08

Cologne- Germany

#15 Aug 30, 2011
Fight as much as you want
but I am not with you- nor i need anything to survive
smartarsecunt

UK

#17 Aug 30, 2011
Hippysocks wrote:
<quoted text>
you need oil to survive mate as do we all!
Speak for yourself, hippy.

I've got a George Foreman Grill.

Since: Nov 08

Cologne- Germany

#18 Aug 30, 2011
My above statement shows my views.
Nothing more
Nothing less and
Nothing else
empin

New York, NY

#19 Mar 30, 2012
A good friend of mine works for London's Scotland Yard and I guess you'll hardly like the things I got from him and now going to tell. Just in short - routinely our cops have deeply carried out all the needed investigations into the riots that took place in last August over Britain and as a result, my pal says, now they have it for sure that there actually was little any real people's protest mood or real anger in that August's rioting. To all, he says, that was notoriously known terrorist organization Hizb ut-Tahrir that skillfully have used the situation after the Duggan's death to demonstrate it up to the country's Govs full strength of Muslim Ummah they already have now over Britain.
I srsly doubt that they're going to tell us about it tomorrow in newspapers, as predictably that will raise serious anti-muslims mood and evoke riots in response. Just telling you what I've been told myself.

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