Ukraine's leading lights try hard in Brussels, but Yanik more interested in the money

From European Commissioner for Enlargement and European Neighbourhood Policy, Stefan Fule's speech at conference: "Ukraine 20 years on: challenges for the future" European Policy Center Brussels, 21 September 2011 "There has been a lot of good news about Ukraine in the last twenty years.

[Dr Steelhammer]

Boy, that Yatsenyuk is a smart guy and very well spoken in english.He is a potential leader, I would say.

[Pesky army]

Currently, there is no room for Ukrainka in EU !
Perhaps, in ten years though.

[Glenn Ivan]

Of couse there is no room in Slowvakia, it is full of goat manure and dioxions and Pissy stored farts. Nobody wants to go to Slowvakis anyway and that is why Ukraine is heading for EU.

[Pesky army]

We do not want any beggars in EU !

[Dr Steelhammer]

Its a done deal for Ukraine and Europe. Look at those beautiful ,educated ukrainian girls and sophisticated educated young ukrainian guys.The wave of the future !

[Dr Steelhammer]

http://blip.tv/aldeadle/ukraine-20-years-on-v...

[Pesky army]

Nothing is done.
Ukrainka is still years away from EU !

[Dr Steelhammer]

Pesky army wrote:

Nothing is done.
Ukrainka is still years away from EU !

I bet 500 bucks on associate membership in the EU for Ukraine in 2012 !

[Pesky army]

An associated member means nothing.
It will take another 3-4 years afterwards.
Schengen border ends in the eastern part of Slovakia. Even if Ukrainkas are allowed to EU, they won´t be part of Schengen, just like Romania & Bulgaria.
Therefore, restrictions will apply.

[Dr Steelhammer]

Schengen... Shmengen.... means nothing really . It can all be amended. Ukraine is an important buffer to the increasingly expansionistic and bellicose Russia. So, true, no one in Europe has a great love for Ukraine..... but how would you like an expanded and stronger Russia as your neighbour ? Been there .. done that say the EU ... so they will take Ukraine hands down as a neighbour. So somewhat democratic Ukraine has a job to do in Europe.... if only to keep the belligerant totalitarian Russian Empire from expanding further. Politics makes for strange bedfellows. So Lady Ukraine is being wooed by all in Europe.That is just the way it is. No point crying about it.

[Warrior Poet UG X]

Suggested policy to improve the Topix Forum: When it comes to Pissy, The Fish-faced Finn, or Comrade Cassandra (the Three Topix Stooges)-- don't read, don't rate, don't respond. It will drive them crazy to think that their "Pearls of Wisdom" are falling in empty space. It will be hard but worth it to see them running to Pootinski and calling "Papa, they won't play with us".

[Dr Steelhammer]

Yeah, but good to hit them with some solid political facts. Most large scale international policy decisions are geopolitical in nature, and are not based on personal likes or dislikes. Ukraine just happens to be a historical, geographical and cultural geo - politcal fulcrum in the region. Hope this is not to deep for many slow witted Ukraine Forum detractors to understand.I will go back to the Russia Forum now. You can find me there.

[Pesky army]

The only reason Ukrainka might join EU is even cheaper labor than currently available.
Another market for rich members of EU.
Otherwise, Ukrainka has nothing to offer.
Bananas for dirty jobs, that´s all Ukrainka is getting.

[Warrior Poet UG X]

Steelhammer-- It is true that Ukraine has long been pivotal in the area. Please also do not forget that without Ukraine's highly productive agriculture there would be a LOT of hungry people in Europe and Russia.
BTW Antonov Aircraft are rather good units. I have seen and been in the AN124 and was very impressed. I have also ridden more than once in the EU produced "Scarebus" and was NOT impressed.
Ukraine is an up and coming area and it would behoove EU to recognize this and make them a member quickly.

Please do not think Pissy (Slowvak slimemold) is indicative of the forum. He is a fool who keeps posting despite the fact that most people now ignore him.

[Dr Steelhammer]

Pesky army wrote:

The only reason Ukrainka might join EU is even cheaper labor than currently available.
Another market for rich members of EU.
Otherwise, Ukrainka has nothing to offer.
Bananas for dirty jobs, that´s all Ukrainka is getting.

That is just fine. Ukrainians have been turning garbage jobs into gold for years. Their kids will become professionals and will be your bosses. Happens all the time in North America. One generation is all it takes.I am living proof.Europe is mostly lazy spoiled kids now with an attitude problem, so they need hard workers everywhere in Europe.Yes, it is nice at the top.... 2 houses , vacation coast home, Mercedes Benz, high level profession, side business , millions in a retirement account in US T bills, nice restaurants, nice associates, good holidays. It is all possible if one is not lazy in North America and is prepared to study and work.Soooo Ukrainians do very, very well here, and everywhere, eventually, because they are prepared TO WORK HARD and LONG!

[Warrior Poet UG X]

What an insightful post. To use an Americanism "You hit the nail right on the thumb". I personally have seen some of these hard working Ukrainians moving up in the world. They will continue to do well because they would rather work to get ahead than sit on their ass and whine about how unfair the world is and how they are not appreciated.

Please do not waste your time on the Russian Forum We need people like you on the Ukrainian forum to offset some of the anti-Ukrainian fools we see here.

[Pesky army]

Dr Steelhammer wrote:

<quoted text>That is just fine. Ukrainians have been turning garbage jobs into gold for years. Their kids will become professionals and will be your bosses. Happens all the time in North America. One generation is all it takes.I am living proof.Europe is mostly lazy spoiled kids now with an attitude problem, so they need hard workers everywhere in Europe.Yes, it is nice at the top.... 2 houses , vacation coast home, Mercedes Benz, high level profession, side business , millions in a retirement account in US T bills, nice restaurants, nice associates, good holidays. It is all possible if one is not lazy in North America and is prepared to study and work.Soooo Ukrainians do very, very well here, and everywhere, eventually, because they are prepared TO WORK HARD and LONG!

Ukrainkas will be used as cheap labor if EU decides to invest in Ukrainka.
One generation of Ukrainkas is not enough to turn backward Ukrainka around. Perhaps, 3 or more ?
It´s not an easy job to turn a peasant into successful entrepreneur. As you might know, over 60 % of ukrainkas are working in agricultural sectors.
Despite of it, in the long run, a good luck to your people & I agree work hard & play hard.

[Stefan]

Ukraines movement towards the EU is in search of money (or should I say the protection of Big money). The richest of the rich in Ukraine want to keep their wealth and prevent a Russian type hold on their bank accounts.

The simple paradox is that indirectly this change for Ukraine (who by the way started on this path by Yushchenko) will strengthen Democracy, improve peoples rights and ultimately improve the standard of living. This increase in labour costs will cost big money lots and reduce profits. They of corse want access to bigger markets.

Thanks Yanu for keeping alive the dream of the Orange revolution. Your actions are actually in support of it, whether you realize or not.

When looking East and then West, Ukrainians know where their true future is. It is West.

[Stefan]

Pesky army wrote:

<quoted text>
Ukrainkas will be used as cheap labor if EU decides to invest in Ukrainka.
One generation of Ukrainkas is not enough to turn backward Ukrainka around. Perhaps, 3 or more ?
It´s not an easy job to turn a peasant into successful entrepreneur. As you might know, over 60 % of ukrainkas are working in agricultural sectors.
Despite of it, in the long run, a good luck to your people & I agree work hard & play hard.

Agriculture is the new future. Just look at your food bill Pissy

[Pro Ukraine]

Stefan wrote:

<quoted text>
Agriculture is the new future. Just look at your food bill Pissy

Some people should provide links when quoting statistics. Some people should also refrain from calling people peaasants when they come from a peasant country themselves. Take no notice of the dumb SLOwvak.