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U.N., White House Condemn Killings of Russian Hostages in Iraq

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Created: 27.06.2006 10:49 MSK , Updated: 10:51 MSK MosNews The UN and the White House have condemned the executions of four Russian diplomats kidnapped by a group linked with al-Qaida on June 3 in Iraq, the ...

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Foresttoday

United States

#1 Jun 27, 2006
Hmm, I wonder if the Russian's will now realize that the terrorist are not just after the countries in the West, but also Russia. Should the Russian's send troops to Iraq? Yes, Of course, they should. It would do the world good to have them join the other Western countries fighting the war on Terrorism.

It is a sad state of affairs when innocent diplomats are murdered for no reason at all, it is now time for the whole world to turn on these terrorist and leave them no where to hide except the grave.
biomed_guy

Fowler, IN

#2 Jun 27, 2006
Russia's had more terrorist strikes on their homeland than the Weat has. I think they realize it.

Why would they send troops to Iraq? Their terrorists aren't in Iraq. Neither was ours.
Nikolai

Racine, WI

#3 Jun 27, 2006
I agree Russia has no interest in Iraq. It is USA's economical interest. They got into a a beehive and now it has a potential to turn into second Vietnam.
Foresttoday

United States

#4 Jun 28, 2006
Actually terrorist throughout the world are interconnected. Anyone who thinks that the terrorist in Iraq are all local Iraqi's is not following world news. Putin, realizes the need to fight back, he has ordered the capture or killing of the terrorist that killed the Russian Diplomats. He also realizes that to let the terrorist have a free pass on this killing is like saying, "go ahead, we do not mind loosing a few people here and there."

Al-Quada already has declared war on the infidels of the world and remember, the Russian people are also infidels just as all of Western European's and North American's.

Iraq will never turn into another Vietnam, I do not know where this statement ever got started, but it certainly was not by anyone that served in Vietnam. In fact, when one thinks about that statement it does appear a little silly without any foundation.
Nikolai

Racine, WI

#5 Jun 28, 2006
I feel like you are changing the topic. The statement was that Russia had no interest in removing government in Iraq it was a purely US enterprise. The connection of Al-Quada and Saddam was publicly renounced by United States and blamed on bad intelligence: "Bad, bad intelligence..."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles...

Russia is concerned with Al-Quad and its terrorist acts on its soil: Chechnya. It didn't have anything to do with Iraq until US occupation has created a fertile environment for insurgents.
US is at risk of fighting a guerrilla war that has never been won beginning with Napoleon in Spain and one of the recent examples of Russia in Afghanistan. But let's see what a republican sen. Hagel from Nebraska, who I believe has served in Vietnam, has to say about that:

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/08/18/ha...

Even republicans don't want anything to do with the mess Bush got America in.
Foresttoday

United States

#6 Jun 29, 2006
Russia's intelligence was saying the same thing as American, German, British and French intelligence, that Saddam had WMD's. So I assume you must mean that all the worlds powers have or had bad intelligence? You may be correct in that statement. It is just sad that we always just blame our President for what everyone was telling him throughout the world. He at least had the foresight to take action and not just sent a missile into an aspirin factory.

Yes, there are many Republicans that also do not agree with the war against terror, but mostly because the News Media is so biased that they want to get re-elected. There are a lot of Democrats that also agree with the war and want the President to stay the course. That is what is great about America, we can agree to disagree without calling people names.

However, anyone that does not think that Osama was not interested in Iraq has not been keeping up on the news lately.

I also restate my position, that Iraq will never turn into another Viet Nam, the situation is entirely different. Some people would love to make that case, but it is just not in the cards. Also remember that just because a war hero says one thing about Iraq, it does not mean that it is absolutely the best answer. They are usually speaking out as you and I do, and it is a personal experience based on his own personal background, not some secret crystal ball that only he has access too.

Have a nice day
Rodney Duncan

Stockton, CA

#7 Jun 29, 2006
Foresttoday wrote:
Russia's intelligence was saying the same thing as American, German, British and French intelligence, that Saddam had WMD's. So I assume you must mean that all the worlds powers have or had bad intelligence? You may be correct in that statement. It is just sad that we always just blame our President for what everyone was telling him throughout the world. He at least had the foresight to take action and not just sent a missile into an aspirin factory.
Yes, there are many Republicans that also do not agree with the war against terror, but mostly because the News Media is so biased that they want to get re-elected. There are a lot of Democrats that also agree with the war and want the President to stay the course. That is what is great about America, we can agree to disagree without calling people names.
However, anyone that does not think that Osama was not interested in Iraq has not been keeping up on the news lately.
I also restate my position, that Iraq will never turn into another Viet Nam, the situation is entirely different. Some people would love to make that case, but it is just not in the cards. Also remember that just because a war hero says one thing about Iraq, it does not mean that it is absolutely the best answer. They are usually speaking out as you and I do, and it is a personal experience based on his own personal background, not some secret crystal ball that only he has access too.
Have a nice day
Amen, now thats keeping at real.
Rodney Duncan

Stockton, CA

#8 Jun 29, 2006
Nikolai wrote:
I agree Russia has no interest in Iraq. It is USA's economical interest. They got into a a beehive and now it has a potential to turn into second Vietnam.
YOU DON'T HAVE CLUE TO WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT DO YOU.
biomed_guy

Lebanon, IN

#9 Jun 29, 2006
Foresttoday wrote:
Russia's intelligence was saying the same thing as American, German, British and French intelligence, that Saddam had WMD's. So I assume you must mean that all the worlds powers have or had bad intelligence? You may be correct in that statement. It is just sad that we always just blame our President for what everyone was telling him throughout the world. He at least had the foresight to take action and not just sent a missile into an aspirin factory.

But they were also paying attention to the intelligence that said he didn't have WMD. Something that Bush didn't even consider with his own man in Iraq. Bush went to war, they didn't. Who was right? So everybody else gets blame BUT Bush. Come on, that's getting old and worn. The buck stops where? Bush had foresight? Wow!

Yes, there are many Republicans that also do not agree with the war against terror, but mostly because the News Media is so biased that they want to get re-elected. There are a lot of Democrats that also agree with the war and want the President to stay the course. That is what is great about America, we can agree to disagree without calling people names.

A lot of Democrats agree with the war? I guess anybody that doesn't agree with your Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'reilly are biased.

However, anyone that does not think that Osama was not interested in Iraq has not been keeping up on the news lately.

What news channel is still reporting this now proven false story?

I also restate my position, that Iraq will never turn into another Viet Nam, the situation is entirely different. Some people would love to make that case, but it is just not in the cards. Also remember that just because a war hero says one thing about Iraq, it does not mean that it is absolutely the best answer. They are usually speaking out as you and I do, and it is a personal experience based on his own personal background, not some secret crystal ball that only he has access too.
Have a nice day
I agree not like Vietnam. There a a few similarities like insurgency due to occupation. You can't win it.
I think a better comparison would be Somalia. Mission changed and all hell broke loose. Only Iraq is much bigger in proportion.

Please watch this:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/darks...

The first part you may find some people that Republicans slammed for being unpatriotic but more believable people to the Repubs, like Colin Powells assistant tell their story as the story goes on.
biomed_guy

Lebanon, IN

#10 Jun 29, 2006
Sorry I inserted my comments poorly. I didn't change the fonts (I thought it automatically did it).
Foresttoday

United States

#11 Jun 29, 2006
The above comments are very interesting and shows that there are a few people that are intelligent enough to make up their own minds without the News Media guiding us. I have enjoyed everyones thoughts on this subject.

Biomed, I am trying to find a better example than Somalia as we really never sent a built up force in there to stablize the country. We have almost always gotten our "@@@@'s" kicked when we under estimate the enemy.

I had a close forester friend that worked for the Peace Corp that spent about 8 years in Somalia, being paid by the UN. He has some interesting stories, but his time in Kenya and Tansania were a lot safer and less hazarous. I am not sure if there ever was a government in Somalia.
Russian

Saint Petersburg, Russia

#12 Jun 29, 2006
Russia's intelligence was saying the same thing as American, German, British and French intelligence, that Saddam had WMD's.
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You got it from FoxNews?

I don't know about German, UK and French, but I know about Russia. In the Russian mass-media there was no information that Saddam has WMD!! Moreover, Russia was against military operation in Iraq!
Foresttoday

United States

#13 Jun 30, 2006
You are correct that Russia, French and Germany were against going into Iraq, but the intelligence of all three of those countries said there were weapons of Mass destruction.

Those three countries were owed many millions of dollars by Saddam and certainly would not have wanted to see him replaced. Nothing against that idea, it was just putting a double standard on the war in Iraq.

We need to maybe take a look at the larger picture of why we are in Iraq and it is not oil as they supply a small percent of oil to the world, then and now.
Foresttoday

United States

#14 Jun 30, 2006
Oops, I failed to mention that the Russian news media is still somewhat controlled by the Kremlin and cannot print all that they would like. Maybe our U.S. news medis is even more controlled than any in the world today, only it is by big money people. Just look at CNN, CNBC, NBC, and thee many newspapers. The NY times, Washington post and L.A. Times to name a few television and newspapers. It is sicking for us to read editorials on the front page instead on the editorial pages. It is so obvious that I am not sure why they do it. The media must think all Americans are stupid and they can just tell us what they want not hard facts anymore.

Sorry for the soap box but it is difficult to stop when I think of how biased our news media has become.

I honestly do not know that much about the Russian news, but I do know uner the USSR, it was very structured (controlled) at that time.
Nikolai

Houston, TX

#15 Jun 30, 2006
Rodney Duncan wrote:
<quoted text>YOU DON'T HAVE CLUE TO WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT DO YOU.
I apologize but why do you think you know better then anyone else:0 for all we know Russia was in fact breaking the imposed embargo on Iraq, so disposing of the Saddam's government might have actually been a bad thing for Russia. I understand you are angry since my agenda does not fit yours but it doesn't give you right to post empty statements like this:)
Nikolai

Houston, TX

#16 Jun 30, 2006
Foresttoday wrote:
You are correct that Russia, French and Germany were against going into Iraq, but the intelligence of all three of those countries said there were weapons of Mass destruction.
Those three countries were owed many millions of dollars by Saddam and certainly would not have wanted to see him replaced. Nothing against that idea, it was just putting a double standard on the war in Iraq.
We need to maybe take a look at the larger picture of why we are in Iraq and it is not oil as they supply a small percent of oil to the world, then and now.
I'm a bit concerned with Conservatives as much as liberals bashing media when it doesn't report news according to a particular doctrine, so let's just take the news for what they are worth. Now you mentioned that Iraq does not produce much oil. I would like to disagree with you. 3% might not seem much but in the "bigger picture" but it actually is controlling extra 3% of oil production combined with 9.9% from US, would give US a larger % of oil then the biggest supplier - Saudi Arabia(11.8%). And would create a substantial bargaining chip with the Middle East.

And if France & Germany had intelligence about the WMD why did Powel have to go in front of UN and present the "evidence", which by the way were proclaimed faulty my US own nuclear engineers because the tubes Saddam has purchased were way to small to use for uranium enrichment as was presented by Bush administration.

All the "evidence" were just looking for a black cat in the dark room - it simply was not there. The WMD were never found and president Bush him self went public admitting that intelligence was faulty.
Last week I watched a very interesting special on History channel that dealt with invasion of Iraq. Do you realize that half of high ranking CIA and government officials have resigned after that claim because they either weren't presented with all the information like Power or felt like the evidence was highly circumstantial? If you can find that particular program it is very interesting, I will try to look for the exact name.
Nikolai

Houston, TX

#17 Jun 30, 2006
lots of misspels:( oops have fun:)
Nikolai

Houston, TX

#18 Jun 30, 2006
Foresttoday wrote:
However, anyone that does not think that Osama was not interested in Iraq has not been keeping up on the news lately.
And what news would that be? There is NO proven link.
Foresttoday wrote:
Iraq will never turn into another Vietnam, I do not know where this statement ever got started, but it certainly was not by anyone that served in Vietnam. In fact, when one thinks about that statement it does appear a little silly without any foundation.
Isn't that what you have said earlier? and know you change it to:
Foresttoday wrote:
Also remember that just because a war hero says one thing about Iraq, it does not mean that it is absolutely the best answer. They are usually speaking out as you and I do, and it is a personal experience based on his own personal background, not some secret crystal ball that only he has access too.
Have a nice day
What about hundreds? But i don't believe it will make any difference or would it? You can't read only the news that you think are right. Objectivity is the key. For example as much as it turns my stomach I have to admit that Clinton has lied under oath. I can rebuke it by finding numerous links that will say: "well, he wasn't really under oath..." or "he didn't REALLY lied". But the fact is he did. There is also a fact that US went into Iraq for WMD when they weren't there.
Once again i challenge you to look into points of view that might not agree with your political agenda.

P.S. I also enjoy this discussion and I hope you are not taking my comments too personally:)
Foresttoday

United States

#19 Jun 30, 2006
Hmm, so you are a "I'm a bit concerned with Conservatives as much as liberals bashing media when it doesn't report news according to a particular doctrine." I think eveyone should be up in arms with our news media when we cannot read a story that just tells facts, but always interjects the writers opionion. What happened to the editiorial pages???? I say, just give us the facts and let us make up our minds, quit trying to tell us to think one way or the other.

As to the world production of oil, it was not worth fighting over as Saddam was selling it onto the world market, though illegally, and with kick backs to the UN and that volume would have continued with or without the U.S. moving into Iraq. I do not see the bigger picture here, 5 % is 5 % no matter who is starting the pumps. I must be missing something here.

Powell had to go before the security council of the U.N. to get their blessings on all 27 UN (I just drew a blank, request) to allow inspectors back into the Country or there would be an invasion. Russia, France, Germany (oops not Germany as they do not have a seat on the Security Council) England, and China all had to agree with the request and penalty phases sent to Saddam.

The WMD were not just the "tubes", as they were discounted almost immediately, I believe they all thought there was chemical and biological agents being produced. Saddam would not allow inspectors back in once President Clinton pulled them out, so what was the world to really think. One would have thought when Saddam saw the u.S. 3rd mechanized Division and the 2 Marine Division, massing on his borders he should have had second thoughts and opened his country immediately, but alas alack, he did not.

You are right President Bush finally stood up and said the intelligence was faulty, not like some other President that wag his finger as the public and said,"I did not have ......."

I will look for that program on the CIA and the resignations. I do not blame them remember all the money that was cut from their budget, way back, I will not mention names, but it was a disaster and they could not pay anyone to spy for the CIA that had a colored past. How dumb that was to the American people?
Most good forgin spys have a colored past, unless you get into the higer archry. Anyway that is again just my personal opionion.

When I get back, I will write what I think the overall picture of attacking Iraq was all about and it certainly was not WMD.
:-) Now, I have you thinking?????:-) Have a wonderful Saturday and 4th of July.
Foresttoday

United States

#20 Jun 30, 2006
Foresttoday wrote:
Iraq will never turn into another Vietnam, I do not know where this statement ever got started, but it certainly was not by anyone that served in Vietnam. In fact, when one thinks about that statement it does appear a little silly without any foundation.
Isn't that what you have said earlier? and know you change it to:
Foresttoday wrote:
Also remember that just because a war hero says one thing about Iraq, it does not mean that it is absolutely the best answer. They are usually speaking out as you and I do, and it is a personal experience based on his own personal background, not some secret crystal ball that only he has access too.
Have a nice day
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All I was trying to point out is that for every Vets opinion or view on a subject, there is another vets view that is just the opposite and each has his own personal reason for saying this or that, the Vets idea should not carry any more weight one way or the other than John Q. Citizen.

I am sure you already realize this, you were just fishing to see if I did.:-)

Have a nice weekend.

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