Hero or villain? WWII partisan Bander...

Hero or villain? WWII partisan Bandera still animates Ukraine-Russia fight

There are 503 comments on the Sacramento Bee Newspaper story from Mar 28, 2014, titled Hero or villain? WWII partisan Bandera still animates Ukraine-Russia fight. In it, Sacramento Bee Newspaper reports that:

The rhetoric out of Moscow is consistent, bombastic and, to the Western ear, perhaps a bit puzzling: Ukraine today is run by thugs, fascists and Banderists.

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Kiev Fools

Knoxville, TN

#1 Jun 8, 2014
Who would call Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera a hero?
George

Red Deer, Canada

#2 Jun 8, 2014
Kiev Fools wrote:
Who would call Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera a hero?
You are the one continuously talking about him, so I quess the answer is YOU
tm clms

Victoria, Canada

#3 Jun 8, 2014
Kiev Fools wrote:
Who would call Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera a hero?
Anyone who fights against russian invaders and oppressors is a hero..

even Darth Vader or the Devil..
Pro Ukraine

UK

#4 Jun 9, 2014
Who would regard evil mass murderer Stalin as a hero? Russians that's who, he's more popular than ever there, with Putler revealing plans to bring back the Stalingrad name to the city of Volgograd and to erect a new statue of him..

Russians love a man who killed at least 27 million people as well as sending millions of innocent people to gulags to be tortured. 7 million died in Ukraine during Holodomor which was manufactured by him. Russians are the last people to be lecturing others about who they can regard as heroes.
Kiev Fools

Knoxville, TN

#5 Jul 26, 2014
Pigshanks loves Stepan Bandera.
George

Red Deer, Canada

#6 Jul 26, 2014
Kiev Fools wrote:
Who would call Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera a hero?
That is such a childish comment. He was part of history so it is not like anyone in Ukraine can erase him. There are people that dislike Abraham Lincoln for his part in stopping slavery, big deal, again it is history. We read all the time about moonshiners and hillbillys in your neck of the woods, big deal, it is history, so maybe you should grow up and start respecting other cultures and countries, then maybe people would start having respect for you.

You are a very racist person that seems to think you are better than others for whatever reason, well you are not. think about what you have contributed to your community, your family, your friends and I am convinced you are a pain in the ass to all of them because you have this attitude of being better than someone anyone else and because you have grown up with this racist attitude your children will grow up the same
rio

London, UK

#7 Jul 26, 2014
George wrote:
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That is such a childish comment. He was part of history so it is not like anyone in Ukraine can erase him. There are people that dislike Abraham Lincoln
Don't even attempt to compare Bandera with Lincoln.

Bandera was a terrorist, a traitor, an anti-semite who welcomed the invasion of Ukraine and sided with the nazis.

Collaborators are no heroes.
Norway executed Quissling.
France executed Laval.
Slovakia executed Tisot, etc...

Nobody in these countries glorify traitors and collaborators.
Decent people try to erase them from the history of their country; they are a disgrace, a stain on the image of the country.

In Ukraine, there has been several attempt to rehabilitate Bandera and make him an acceptable figure of the past. It's a disgrace and it is shameful!
Pro Ukraine

UK

#8 Jul 27, 2014
Kiev Fools wrote:
Pigshanks loves Stepan Bandera.
Does he, then why hasn't he made him an official hero of Ukraine?
Russians love mass murderer Stalin who commited 1000 times more crimes than Bandera.
Pro Ukraine

UK

#9 Jul 27, 2014
rio wrote:
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Don't even attempt to compare Bandera with Lincoln.
Bandera was a terrorist, a traitor, an anti-semite who welcomed the invasion of Ukraine and sided with the nazis.
Collaborators are no heroes.
Norway executed Quissling.
France executed Laval.
Slovakia executed Tisot, etc...
Nobody in these countries glorify traitors and collaborators.
Decent people try to erase them from the history of their country; they are a disgrace, a stain on the image of the country.
In Ukraine, there has been several attempt to rehabilitate Bandera and make him an acceptable figure of the past. It's a disgrace and it is shameful!
He welcomed the invasion of the Soviet Union. He collaborated with the nazis so much they threw him in jail!
Russians glorify evil mass murderer Stalin, so try again Roby.
You can be sure whatever you accuse Ukraine of doing, Putin or Russia has done it far worse, now or in the past.
Pro Ukraine

UK

#10 Jul 27, 2014
RUSSIA TODAY

President Putin has decided to change the words of the Russian national anthem to "Rossiya, Rossiya po vcem"

Come on rio, LFOD, Crummy get singing, raise your arms and shout "Heil Putin!"
OnlyPatchWork

Brewster, NY

#11 Jul 27, 2014
George wrote:
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That is such a childish comment. He was part of history so it is not like anyone in Ukraine can erase him. There are people that dislike Abraham Lincoln for his part in stopping slavery, big deal, again it is history. We read all the time about moonshiners and hillbillys in your neck of the woods, big deal, it is history, so maybe you should grow up and start respecting other cultures and countries, then maybe people would start having respect for you.
You are a very racist person that seems to think you are better than others for whatever reason, well you are not. think about what you have contributed to your community, your family, your friends and I am convinced you are a pain in the ass to all of them because you have this attitude of being better than someone anyone else and because you have grown up with this racist attitude your children will grow up the same
Bandera murdered up to 100,000 Polish, in Wolyn massacre, and in Eastern Galicia.
AbeUG

Bedminster, NJ

#13 Jul 27, 2014
OnlyPatchWork wrote:
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Bandera murdered up to 100,000 Polish, in Wolyn massacre, and in Eastern Galicia.
So should Poland forever decide to hate all Ukrainians because of what SOME bad Ukrainians did to Poles many years ago?

I don't see the Polish government looking to hate Ukraine today even though Poland and Ukraine had past tensions.

I agree with today's Polish government's overtures of friendship with Ukraine.
AbeUG

Bedminster, NJ

#14 Jul 27, 2014
OnlyPatchWork wrote:
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Bandera murdered up to 100,000 Polish, in Wolyn massacre, and in Eastern Galicia.
If not for the existence of Ukraine today......instead of attacking Ukraine.....Russia would be attacking Poland.

Ukraine today is taking the Russian slings and arrows that Russia would be shooting at Poland today if Ukraine did not exist today.
Live Free or Die

Wolcott, VT

#15 Jul 27, 2014
Pro Ukraine wrote:
<quoted text>Does he, then why hasn't he made him an official hero of Ukraine?
Obviously because he's trying to paint a pretty picture for the East, while he continues to kill civilians with impunity. He'll be under pressure from Kiev's rada soon enough, it's just not the right time.

Lipstick on a pig, nothing more.

Any more clueless questions, puke?
Live Free or Die

Wolcott, VT

#16 Jul 27, 2014
AbeUG wrote:
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Ukraine today is taking the Russian slings and arrows that Russia would be shooting at Poland today if Ukraine did not exist today.
How can one comment on such posts, other than to point out that you're a mental basketcase coping with a lifelong battle with delusions of persecution?
Pro Ukraine

UK

#17 Jul 27, 2014
Live Free or Die wrote:
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Obviously because he's trying to paint a pretty picture for the East, while he continues to kill civilians with impunity. He'll be under pressure from Kiev's rada soon enough, it's just not the right time.
Lipstick on a pig, nothing more.
Any more clueless questions, puke?
Not so, Poroshenko is from Odesa which isn't Bandera territory.
Spasoje Djukoanvic

Podgorica, Montenegro

#18 Jul 27, 2014
Ukrainian Bandera was Nazi, member of Waffen SS,and creator of Nazi UPA.That is what many Ukrainians today celebrate it seams.
OnlyPatchWork

Brewster, NY

#19 Jul 27, 2014
AbeUG wrote:
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If not for the existence of Ukraine today......instead of attacking Ukraine.....Russia would be attacking Poland.
Ukraine today is taking the Russian slings and arrows that Russia would be shooting at Poland today if Ukraine did not exist today.
Ukraine surely served as a good buffer zone for Poland during WW2.

I mean, Ukrainians killed about twice as many Polish in Wolyn massacre, than Soviets did in Katyn massacre.
OnlyPatchWork

Brewster, NY

#20 Jul 27, 2014
Spasoje Djukoanvic wrote:
Ukrainian Bandera was Nazi, member of Waffen SS,and creator of Nazi UPA.That is what many Ukrainians today celebrate it seams.
What about all of the Russians who support Stalin?

It is better to support the right wing like Bandera, rather than left wing wackos like Stalin.
The Iron Dicklin

Podgorica, Montenegro

#21 Jul 27, 2014
OnlyPatchWork wrote:
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What about all of the Russians who support Stalin?
It is better to support the right wing like Bandera, rather than left wing wackos like Stalin.
Why would you support any of them,do you like Totalitarian rule?I heard that Bandera killed more Poles then Stalin did!

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