A new view of a famine that killed millions

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Glenn Ivan wrote:

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Just like you write nonsenical, fascist anti Ukrainian propaganda. As long as your beloved Putiniski and his hand picked prez Medevedic fails to acknowdge Rosie Rozzia and the KGB past involvement, it will NEVER be a NATION. The Ruzzian past will always have it's hands dripping with blood. Canooky you just can't stand the truth, so it is far better for you to DENY and LIE like all your commies did

But Glenn Ivan, please acknowledge that Russia hhis a great nation and had nothing to do with the alleged crimes of the Soviet Union any more than Ukraine is. Accepting this truth will set you free. This being said, you should know that Ukraine must accept responsibility for any of the hardships it may have endured while in the Soviet Union. Ukraine should have stood up to Stalin, but they didn't. So, now is not the time to whine and bellyache and blame Russia for everything. You are the authors of your own misfortunes.
Your latest clown show is that American puppet Yuschenko.

Glenn Ivan

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Canuck wrote:

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But Glenn Ivan, please acknowledge that Russia hhis a great nation and had nothing to do with the alleged crimes of the Soviet Union any more than Ukraine is. Accepting this truth will set you free. This being said, you should know that Ukraine must accept responsibility for any of the hardships it may have endured while in the Soviet Union. Ukraine should have stood up to Stalin, but they didn't. So, now is not the time to whine and bellyache and blame Russia for everything. You are the authors of your own misfortunes.
Your latest clown show is that American puppet Yuschenko.

You tell me how they were suppose to stand up to your beloved Stalin when Ruzzian didn't Why didn't they stop Stalin if 3.5 million Russkies starved??? Where were they? Look at the map again incase you have forgotten what your beloved Rozzia looks like. Rozzia is much bigger then Ukraine. Rozzia played the biggest part of the EVIL, MURDEROUS and GENOCIDAL EMPIRE. Why was the Red Army and your friend the KGB agent Putiniski in Ukraine preventing people to somewhere to receive help? Now you Canooky you can bellyache ALL you like, LIE and DENY and LIE and DENY all you like and you call that Ruzzkie a great nation. Why is your poor No-LUCKaschecko seeking close ties with theEU and the west. Why isn't that puppet of such a grea nation helping him out? When the Polish were gathering for a eeting they were stopped questioned, picture taken and threaten with job losses if they say a bad word about No-LUCKascheko. You call that FREEDOM - then go live there!

Doctor Lecter

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Hello Eurofriends,

To understand Russia, you need only to look at Joseph Fritzl, to understand the stunning callousness of Russia's denials of genocide.

Just as Fritzl kept the secret of his crimes entomed in a bunker for 24 years, so psychopathic Russia has kept denying its Holodomor genocide.

The root cause of Fritzl's abd Russia's ultracriminality and evil is oure and simple--psychopathy.

Psychopath
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopath

Ta-ta.

H

Glenn Ivan

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I do not have to go anywhere to understand the Ruzzkie denies and lies. I heard enough of that from my father. After his death I tried to find out what happened to his family and at first I was told by Moscow that there was lack of information, then I was told that no such family existed. In 1995 I found out that my cousin still lives in the SAME yard that my Grandparents lived. There was more then enough information on my Father's baptism certificate. From the 1970 to 1994 the Ruzzkies LIED and DENIED to me. I've got their letters as proof of there lying and denying!

Canuck

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Glenn Ivan wrote:

I do not have to go anywhere to understand the Ruzzkie denies and lies. I heard enough of that from my father. After his death I tried to find out what happened to his family and at first I was told by Moscow that there was lack of information, then I was told that no such family existed. In 1995 I found out that my cousin still lives in the SAME yard that my Grandparents lived. There was more then enough information on my Father's baptism certificate. From the 1970 to 1994 the Ruzzkies LIED and DENIED to me. I've got their letters as proof of there lying and denying!

The Soviet Union had no way of determining who and where everyone lived. It was up to you to find your relatives. Perhaps you should have kept in touch more.
Russia had just gained independence in 1991 and was going through those terrible Yeltsin years.
The transition period was long and difficult and many of the records were very likely misplaced.
Don't forget, that when a Ukrainian points a finger of blame at Russia, there are three fingers pointing back at the Ukrainian.
Sounds like the problem you had was just a simple clerical error.

Glenn Ivan

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Canuck wrote:

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The Soviet Union had no way of determining who and where everyone lived. It was up to you to find your relatives. Perhaps you should have kept in touch more.
Russia had just gained independence in 1991 and was going through those terrible Yeltsin years.
The transition period was long and difficult and many of the records were very likely misplaced.
Don't forget, that when a Ukrainian points a finger of blame at Russia, there are three fingers pointing back at the Ukrainian.
Sounds like the problem you had was just a simple clerical error.

Your Soviet Union had no idea who lived where, but CONTROLLED EVERYTHING WITH AN IRON GRIP! Any letter that my father wrote either disappeared or was returned back. Looks like you like you have not read my previous post. I wrote that one of my first cousin still lives in the same yard that my Grandparents lived. Everything was on my father's baptism certicate - the village, the parish, the district, the country and the Evil Empire did not know where that location was???
It is just plain and simple the Evil Empire did not want anybody to know what life was like there. Oh my you want me to feel so sorry for your poor Rosie Rozzia. Ukraine has also recently gained independence and is going through tough times. Yeltsin was the man that stood up to the EVIl Empire ---- He stood on top of the tank! You think that transition period for Ukraine is easy after being held with IRON GRIP by the Rozzian growling bear. From 1970 to 1994 I tried to loxcate my father's relatives and the Ruzzkies denied ecverything. When the Evil Empire fell apart I tried again and I was so surprised and shocked to receive a phone call from my cousin. I was so SHOCKED to learn that he lived in that SAME village and the Ruzzian DENIED. You Canooky called that a clerical error!!! I will NEVER forgive the Ruzzians for they did. It is all LIE and DENY and more of the same that such events ever happened!

Doctor Lecter

Hello Eurofriends,

Isn't it gratifying that the war on Russia's psychopathic lying is being won?

Historian says Stalin ordered famine - UPI.com

KIEV, Ukraine, March 16 (UPI)-- A 1930s famine that killed millions in Ukraine was ordered by Joseph Stalin to stifle aspirations of independence from Moscow, says an expert on the genocide.

Stalin decimated the Ukrainian citizenry by quarantining and denying food to villages, said Stanislav Kulchytsky, deputy director of the Institute of Ukrainian History in Kiev.

Kulchytsky said he could reach no other conclusion after studying Ukrainian and Russian archives, The New York Times (NYSE:NYT) reported Monday.

"The documents about cannibalism are especially difficult to read," he said.

A quarter century ago, Kulchytsky was ordered by Soviet officials to depict the famine as a natural disaster. He refused and released his findings publicly, escaping punishment only because glasnost had begun under Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev, the Times reported.

Kulchytsky was present last November in Kiev when Ukraine dedicated a memorial to the victims of the famine. Russian officials, including President Dmitri Medvedev, have accused Ukraine of using the famine to discredit Russia, the Times said.

Indeed.

Russia has murdered tens of millions of people opposed to Russian occupation and colonialism.

Is it any wonder that Putinist neofascist Russia continues to lie about Russia's psychopathic genocides?

Isn't Russia displaying the same psychopathic callousness and lack of conscience as Josef Fritzl?

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Stefan

Cobourg, Canada

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Canuck wrote:

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The Soviet Union had no way of determining who and where everyone lived. It was up to you to find your relatives. Perhaps you should have kept in touch more.
Russia had just gained independence in 1991 and was going through those terrible Yeltsin years.
The transition period was long and difficult and many of the records were very likely misplaced.
Don't forget, that when a Ukrainian points a finger of blame at Russia, there are three fingers pointing back at the Ukrainian.
Sounds like the problem you had was just a simple clerical error.

They were great Yeltsin years. Thanks to this drunk, millions of people became free all over the Soviet empire.

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yes yeltsin was a drunk that´s why russia fell a bit behind those years but now russians are well on their way to a greatness !

Doctor Lecter

Hello Eurofriends, and of course "Steppe Bunny", "Cana-schmuck" and "Pissy, the Real Schlemie"l and other assorted psychopathic racist Russian chauvinist Putinist riff-raff,

Isn't it gratifying that the war on Russia's psychopathic lying is being won?

[04.03.2009 17:37] By Steve Komarnyckyj
Secrets and Lies(What the Head of the Russian Archives failed to mention)

The story of the Holodomor is the story of how an idea that seemed as full of potential as the fecund earth of Ukraine could result in genocide.

Stalin was committed to the establishment of collective agriculture and the destruction of individual homesteads on the basis of Marx’s concept of “from each according to his capability to each according to his needs”.

This ideal mesmerised many socialists in the West. One of them, George Bernard Shaw, visited the Soviet Union in 1933 and denied the existence of the Holodomor while carts went from house to house Ukrainian villages collecting the dead.

But why were the Ukrainian peasantry targeted by the Communist dictatorship? Stalin hated Ukraine because its existence threatened a distorted Marxism to which he dedicated his life- humanity cannot be exterminated into perfection....

http://www.unian.net/eng/news/news-304090.htm...

Indeed.

Russia has murdered tens of millions of people opposed to Russian occupation and colonialism.

Is it any wonder that Putinist neofascist Russia continues to lie about Russia's psychopathic genocides?

Isn't Russia displaying the same psychopathic callousness and lack of conscience as psychopathic Austrian rapist and slaver Josef Fritzl?

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Jews murdered Ukrainians

Concord, NC

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Russians didn't murder anyone. It was the Jews.

Amerucan Observer

Philomath, OR

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Jews murdered Ukrainians wrote:

Russians didn't murder anyone. It was the Jews.

This is really an asinine post. The poster is obsessed with anti-semetic hatred and little else.

Let's try to put his post in the right light.

Suppose there were really such things as Martians. A person like our anti-semetic poster, hating all Martians, would, without trying to find any facts, make the statement-- " (supply your own group) did not murder (supply another group), the Martians did."

Silly, of course, but it makes every bit as much sense as his anti-semetic rant.

Canuck

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Amerucan Observer wrote:

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This is really an asinine post. The poster is obsessed with anti-semetic hatred and little else.
Let's try to put his post in the right light.
Suppose there were really such things as Martians. A person like our anti-semetic poster, hating all Martians, would, without trying to find any facts, make the statement-- " (supply your own group) did not murder (supply another group), the Martians did."
Silly, of course, but it makes every bit as much sense as his anti-semetic rant.

If you took the time to do a little research, you wouldn't post such a nonsensical response, and then mayby you would.
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/s...
You may wish to read the article, especially the part one the Jewish led police force.

Canuck

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Stefan wrote:

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They were great Yeltsin years. Thanks to this drunk, millions of people became free all over the Soviet empire.

You may have a point here with the exception of Ukraine which is not doing so well.

Glenn Ivan

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Canuck wrote:

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You may have a point here with the exception of Ukraine which is not doing so well.

Oh but Rosie Roosia is doing better? The workers in the steel factory have gone on an hunger strike because they have not been paid since the summer or 2008. What Putiniski do with all the gazz money feed it to his corrupt cronnies! What a shame!

Doctor Lecter

Hello Eurofriends,

Ukraine continues to press for recognition of Bolshevik Russia's genocide in 1930's Ukraine...

Ukraine: President meets Chairman of Czech Senate

In Prague President Victor Yushchenko took part in a working lunch with the President of the Senate of the Czech Republic Premysl Sobotka.

At the lunch Victor Yushchenko said that successful and effective interparliamentary ties between Ukraine and the Czech Republic play a very important role in development of relations between the two states.

He expressed gratitude to Czech parliamentarians for their support in recognition and commemoration of the Holodomor 1932-33 in Ukraine.

Beside that President Yushchenko praised Czech parliamentarian’s work in European institutions and said that their experience would be very valuable for Ukraine on its path towards membership in the EU and NATO.

http://www.isria.info/en/24_March_2009_81.htm

How decent of Czechia!

H

Glenn Ivan

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Doctor Lecter wrote:

Hello Eurofriends,
Ukraine continues to press for recognition of Bolshevik Russia's genocide in 1930's Ukraine...
Ukraine: President meets Chairman of Czech Senate
In Prague President Victor Yushchenko took part in a working lunch with the President of the Senate of the Czech Republic Premysl Sobotka.
At the lunch Victor Yushchenko said that successful and effective interparliamentary ties between Ukraine and the Czech Republic play a very important role in development of relations between the two states.
He expressed gratitude to Czech parliamentarians for their support in recognition and commemoration of the Holodomor 1932-33 in Ukraine.
Beside that President Yushchenko praised Czech parliamentarian’s work in European institutions and said that their experience would be very valuable for Ukraine on its path towards membership in the EU and NATO.
http://www.isria.info/en/24_March_2009_81.htm
How decent of Czechia!
H

I agree with Dr. Lecture that the Czech are very good people. I have a friend in Prague and we share many views. I too learned a lot from him what life was like when the commies ruled. Yes they are good friends to Ukraine. May God Bless them!

Dr Lecter