Moscow calls on Ukraine to pay down its gas debt

There are 20 comments on the Boston.com story from Apr 3, 2014, titled Moscow calls on Ukraine to pay down its gas debt. In it, Boston.com reports that:

Russia is tightening its economic screws on Ukraine, ordering Thursday a further increase in the price of gas it sells to the country and asking that past bills - which are growing by the day - be paid.

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Prestupnyk Putin

Edmonton, Canada

#1 Apr 3, 2014
Ukraine should pay the gas bills to Russia when Russia settles up with Ukraine for the value of Crimea criminally and illegally stolen and robbed from Ukraine, at Russian military gunpoint. Crimea and its resources is worth about 2 trillion US dollars, I figure. So when Ukraine gets Crimea back and gets legally paid damages from Russia, a check will be sent to Russia, no problem, by Ukraine.
LOL

United States

#2 Apr 3, 2014
Russia can settle up for Crimea when Ukraine settles up with Russia for all the gas its stolen and resold for profit, then subtracts all the subsidies its received since 1991, then tallies up its portion of soviet debt incurred which it never paid, then subtracts the value of all the industry which it nationalized in 1991.

PS: France has a better chance of reclaiming Algeria than Ukraine has with Crimea.

How's that for starters? LOL
Observer

United States

#3 Apr 3, 2014
Crimea's new government has angrily dismissed any talk of potential compensation claims for the property it nationalized in separating from Ukraine.

"We will not pay a thing, we will make our case in proper legal proceedings. If such claims are presented, we will come up with counterclaims," said Rustam Temirgaliyev, Crimea's first deputy prime minister.
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Oooh, a Tatar. I thought they were all being held in balls and chains?

So much for that Kyiv Post. LOL
Pro Ukraine

UK

#4 Apr 4, 2014
Observer wrote:
Crimea's new government has angrily dismissed any talk of potential compensation claims for the property it nationalized in separating from Ukraine.
"We will not pay a thing, we will make our case in proper legal proceedings. If such claims are presented, we will come up with counterclaims," said Rustam Temirgaliyev, Crimea's first deputy prime minister.
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Oooh, a Tatar. I thought they were all being held in balls and chains?
So much for that Kyiv Post. LOL
Temigaliyev is a Russian name.

If goes to court Russians will lose, that will pay off the gas bill and some.:-)
Observer

United States

#5 Apr 4, 2014
Pro Ukraine wrote:
<quoted text>Rustam Temigaliyev is a Russian name.
Why, because it ends in 'ev'?

He's a Tatar, moron.

The President of Tatarstan is Rustam Minnikhanov. Rustam is a Tatar name of Persian origin.

Your ignorance never fails to disappoint.
Observer

United States

#6 Apr 4, 2014
A Tatar tells Kiev to screw off. LOL

Kind of screws with your news, eh puke?
Pro Ukraine

UK

#7 Apr 4, 2014
Observer wrote:
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Why, because it ends in 'ev'?
He's a Tatar, moron.
The President of Tatarstan is Rustam Minnikhanov. Rustam is a Tatar name of Persian origin.
Your ignorance never fails to disappoint.
Russian father, Tatar mother.
Pro Ukraine

UK

#8 Apr 4, 2014
Observer wrote:
A Tatar tells Kiev to screw off. LOL
Kind of screws with your news, eh puke?
Most Crimean Tatars are telling Putin to screw off, they want to remain part of Ukraine.
Observer

Dover, NH

#9 Apr 4, 2014
Pro Ukraine wrote:
<quoted text>Russian father, Tatar mother.
Braaaaah! Bad guess. Temirgaliyev is not an ethnic Russian name. Temir gives it away. Probably Kazakh.

Duh.
Chris

Toronto, Canada

#11 Apr 5, 2014
Prestupnyk Putin wrote:
Ukraine should pay the gas bills to Russia when Russia settles up with Ukraine for the value of Crimea criminally and illegally stolen and robbed from Ukraine, at Russian military gunpoint. Crimea and its resources is worth about 2 trillion US dollars, I figure. So when Ukraine gets Crimea back and gets legally paid damages from Russia, a check will be sent to Russia, no problem, by Ukraine.
Crimea was Russian for at least 2 and a half centuries, before it was illegaly put under Ukraine's administration. Have the Ukrainians ever paid Russia for taking over Russian Crimea?
George

Red Deer, Canada

#12 Apr 5, 2014
Pro Ukraine wrote:
<quoted text>Most Crimean Tatars are telling Putin to screw off, they want to remain part of Ukraine.
I would not be surprised to see Crimea split 50/50 with half going to Russia and Russia paying for the port to Ukraine and the other 50 given the option to stay independent or join Ukraine. Putin cannot have everything going his way by changing the rules to match what he wants
George

Red Deer, Canada

#13 Apr 5, 2014
Chris wrote:
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Crimea was Russian for at least 2 and a half centuries, before it was illegaly put under Ukraine's administration. Have the Ukrainians ever paid Russia for taking over Russian Crimea?
Firstly, do you know what the term "gifted" means and secondly who did the Russians take Crimea from? did the pay them?
Observer

Dover, NH

#14 Apr 5, 2014
George wrote:
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I would not be surprised to see Crimea split 50/50 with half going to Russia and Russia paying for the port to Ukraine and the other 50 given the option to stay independent or join Ukraine. Putin cannot have everything going his way by changing the rules to match what he wants
Why not? We do.
Observer

United States

#15 Apr 5, 2014
George wrote:
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Firstly, do you know what the term "gifted" means and secondly who did the Russians take Crimea from? did the pay them?
Well, Kruschchev 'gifted' nukes to Cuba and we made him take them back, so I don't see Russia doing anything different.

:-o
Smart Observer

Calgary, Canada

#16 Apr 5, 2014
At 500 dollars an acre, alone, Crimea is worth 5 trillion dollars. Gas and Oil is another 5 trillion. 5 trilliion for damages to the Ukrainian conomy and damages for the civil tort of conversion ( theft) 5 trillion for theft of Crimea land, resourcees and improvements and chattels. Punutive damages are 5 trillion, for illegal invasion. Russia is legally required to offset all of Russia's debts by Ukraine's debts for the next 100 years.!
Smart Observer

Calgary, Canada

#17 Apr 5, 2014
Crimea was tatar for 2 millenia ( 400 BC) . Stupid russians are so arrogant and stupid about history .Tatars prefer Ukraine.... for obvious historical reasons.Russia is lke a surgeon working with a hatchet..... that has always been Russian foreign policy with Ukraine and Europe.
George

Red Deer, Canada

#18 Apr 5, 2014
Smart Observer wrote:
At 500 dollars an acre, alone, Crimea is worth 5 trillion dollars. Gas and Oil is another 5 trillion. 5 trilliion for damages to the Ukrainian conomy and damages for the civil tort of conversion ( theft) 5 trillion for theft of Crimea land, resourcees and improvements and chattels. Punutive damages are 5 trillion, for illegal invasion. Russia is legally required to offset all of Russia's debts by Ukraine's debts for the next 100 years.!
I am sure this will be brought up with Lavrov as well.
Smart Observer

Calgary, Canada

#19 Apr 5, 2014
In the 1954 USSR law, Crimea went to Ukrainian SSR , but a 200 km border region , for about 1200 km on the border of Ukrainian occupied lands , in Kursk, Voronezh , Rostov na Donu, and Kuban and 200 km of ethnically Ukrainian southern Belarus went from Ukraine SSR to Belarus. Ukrainian Belhorod became a Russian city Belgorod and the Ukrainian city of Homel became Gomel in Belarus. There was legal consideration for the land swap. South- western Ukraine was always historically more than 50% ethnic Ukrainian for three centuries. They still speak Ukrainian style there, and it is not the moscow standard russian .
Smart Observer

Calgary, Canada

#20 Apr 5, 2014
Dumb Russkis , they know about aboriginal title. Tatars owned the land for 2400 years and they decided for a Ukraine affiliation but wre afraid to vote says their Mufti leader..... game over for the Russkis at law. Russians are recent interlopers anyway. Most " Russians" in Crimea are russified ukrainians, jews, germans, tatars and chechens, trying to be russians for profit and advancement in life, they think. It is mixed ethnic bag, and not really russian in Crimea in any event . Crimea is connected to Ukraine by a land bridge so they walked over for centuries fro Ukraine with a waliking stick,and settled etc ..... Crimea is not even connected yet to Russia and needs a bridge acoss the Kerch Strait to be built. Good luck with that. duh!!!!!! Ukes should just turn the lights and gas off on Crimea if need be. F. Putrid Putin !
The True Story

Toronto, Canada

#21 Apr 5, 2014
Smart Observer wrote:
Crimea was tatar for 2 millenia ( 400 BC). Stupid russians are so arrogant and stupid about history .Tatars prefer Ukraine.... for obvious historical reasons.Russia is lke a surgeon working with a hatchet..... that has always been Russian foreign policy with Ukraine and Europe.
Go back to history classes!!!

Tatars were not original population of Crimea; these were the Scythians, who were recorded there in 5th BC, and who are related to Greeks. After that many hordes pass through: such as Greeks, Romans, Goths, Huns, Bulgars, Kipchaks and Khazars. Turkic and Mongol groups to which Tatars belong populate Crimea, organize into Tatars’ Khanate, and rule Crimea from 15th to 18th century, when they were defeated by Russian Kingdom in 1783. Russia rules Crimea from 1783 to 1954, and rules Sevastopol from 1783 to 1991. The “gift” of Khrushchev was illegal as he gifted something that did not belong to him. In 1991 the Gorbachev and Jeltsin were outmaneuvered by the West, and the expressed desire of Crimean, to stay with Russia was ignored. In any case, the injustices are done to Russian people and to Crimean population by tearing away 2 million Crimean Russians from their motherland; and in the present referendum this injustice is corrected. Tatars in Crimea are about 12% of the population and some but not all prefer to stay in Ukraine; yet being minority, they will have to adjust. Such is the democracy: majority rules.

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