TV ratings: 'So You Think' premiere leads Thursday - FOX scores...

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Fast National ratings for Thursday, May 21, 2009 TV's summer season officially started Thursday with FOX and "So You Think You Can Dance" taking the night.

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Rena Moretti

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May 22, 2009
 
Another piece of info you'll never read in the "The Office is a huge hit" press coverage is how poorly it re-runs.
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May 22, 2009
 
Rena, I respect your opinions and viewpoints and insight into the industry, but could you please lay off the bashing of "The Office" every Thursday? I'm not a fan of the show myself, but it does get tiring. Longtime readers of this board know how you feel about NBC and their hype machine, so does it really have to be stated again every single week?
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May 22, 2009
 
Eric wrote:
Rena, I respect your opinions and viewpoints and insight into the industry, but could you please lay off the bashing of "The Office" every Thursday? I'm not a fan of the show myself, but it does get tiring. Longtime readers of this board know how you feel about NBC and their hype machine, so does it really have to be stated again every single week?
I'm sure I'd lay off The Office if I didn't read several times a week how The Office is a "huge hit".:)

Sadly, I keep reading that nonsense everywhere that show is mentioned.

But if you can get NBC to turn off the hype, I'll be happy not to talk about The Office any longer. ;)
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May 22, 2009
 
Also I don't think I had mentioned in a long, long time how poorly The Office does in re-runs, and re-run numbers are a great indication of the relative strength of a TV show, as the drop in re-run strength of shows like Lost, ER or CSI forecast huge drops in the ratings for first-run episodes.

Of course The office doesn't have that much to fall as it's still rated below where ER was when it was canceled.
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May 23, 2009
 
Eric wrote:
Rena, I respect your opinions and viewpoints and insight into the industry, but could you please lay off the bashing of "The Office" every Thursday? I'm not a fan of the show myself, but it does get tiring. Longtime readers of this board know how you feel about NBC and their hype machine, so does it really have to be stated again every single week?
Rena pretty much insults everything that's not CBS related, but she seems to really have something against NBC. I remember a year ago when she would go to imdb.com and post dozens and dozens of posts a day (no, that's not an exaggeration) on the boards of NBC shows about how awful the shows are and how awful they're doing in the ratings and how Ben Silverman needs to get fired.

My theory is that Rena used to work at NBC, but was fired, then she tried getting jobs at the other networks, but nobody hired her. Now she just sits at home all day bashing the networks and watching CBS (the channel that caters to her age group).
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May 23, 2009
 
Eric wrote:
Rena, I respect your opinions and viewpoints and insight into the industry, but could you please lay off the bashing of "The Office" every Thursday? I'm not a fan of the show myself, but it does get tiring. Longtime readers of this board know how you feel about NBC and their hype machine, so does it really have to be stated again every single week?
People have been asking Rena to stop insulting NBC shows for years. She really has something personal against that network. I mean, she doesn't like anything that's not CBS related, but she really has a lot of hatred for NBC.
Rena Moretti

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May 23, 2009
 
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Rena pretty much insults everything that's not CBS related, but she seems to really have something against NBC.... Personal insults and ageist attacks deleted
How exactly is it an "insult" to NBC to point out that their PR Spin is not akin to reality?

I always find it amazing (not in a good way) how fans (or PR types) always find it easier to try and make a discussion of facts and ideas into personal attacks...:(

I only pick on NBC because they repeatedly mis-manage their network and keep hyping failures.

If they stopped and started to program semi-interesting shows instead and promoted their wares while keeping an eye to reality I'd have no qualms with them.:)
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May 23, 2009
 
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People have been asking Rena to stop insulting NBC shows for years. She really has something personal against that network. I mean, she doesn't like anything that's not CBS related, but she really has a lot of hatred for NBC.
Nothing could be further from the truth. I have no particular dislike for NBC or anyone there, not do I have any particular sympathy for CBS.

I keep saying good things about CBS simply because they are one of the only networks managed professionally (with ABC also not being outrageously awful).

If NBC did something right, I'd point it out, but they're not. All they're doing is hyping shows like The Office out of all proportion to reality, and apparently, it makes you very angry when I dare say that The Office is not really a hit so instead of telling us why you think it's a hit or why you think NBC is doing great while getting its worse ratings ever, you resort to personal attacks and trying to bully the information you don't like.

Needless to say, it won't work.:)
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May 23, 2009
 
Eric wrote:
Rena, I respect your opinions and viewpoints and insight into the industry, but could you please lay off the bashing of "The Office" every Thursday? I'm not a fan of the show myself, but it does get tiring. Longtime readers of this board know how you feel about NBC and their hype machine, so does it really have to be stated again every single week?
I forgot to say how much I appreciate your civil tone. It's something that I take for granted, but clearly, I shouldn't.:)

I do disagree with you, however, on how often NBC's hype needs to be corrected. ;)
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May 23, 2009
 
wow......i love LOVE The Office (it's the ONLY show i watch on NBC, except for occasionally glancing in at Parks&Rec), but you have to admit it's ratings are less than stellar. when you really like a show, you don't care if the ratings are good or not (except as they pertain to keeping the show on the air), which i hope they do keep The Office. but Rena is just stating the fact about NBC portraying the show as a bigger hit than it is (and about their putting a lot of PR into the show). but Office fans can take comfort in knowing that the show is much appreciated by the ppl that do actually like it!(i mean, the ppl who like it really seem to like it alot, like me.):)
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May 23, 2009
 
Rena Moretti wrote:
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I'm sure I'd lay off The Office if I didn't read several times a week how The Office is a "huge hit".:)
Sadly, I keep reading that nonsense everywhere that show is mentioned.
But if you can get NBC to turn off the hype, I'll be happy not to talk about The Office any longer. ;)
hahahaaa...this is exactly the offer than Keith Olbermann made to Rush Limbaugh (re Rush Limbaugh)!!
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May 24, 2009
 
Rena Moretti wrote:
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I forgot to say how much I appreciate your civil tone. It's something that I take for granted, but clearly, I shouldn't.:)
I do disagree with you, however, on how often NBC's hype needs to be corrected. ;)
Well, we all know NBC is going (and has went) down the tubes in recently years. I was just pointing out that if one would go back through almost every Thursday Night Rating discussion, there would be a comment from you in there about "The Office". Not every single week, but I'd venture about four out of five.:)

Not everyone falls prey to the NBC hype machine, clearly, since its not highly rated in the first place. But NBC does have a hit on its hands as far as DVD sales go... and it is (I believe) the network's second or third highest rated show in terms of actual viewership. Not the megahit, but certainly not a financial flop, either.:)
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May 24, 2009
 
I think you all need to go outside & enjoy the nice weather for awhile. There will lots of shows to hate come fall.
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May 25, 2009
 
OCGirl wrote:
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hahahaaa...this is exactly the offer than Keith Olbermann made to Rush Limbaugh (re Rush Limbaugh)!!
LOL :)
Rena Moretti

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May 25, 2009
 
Eric wrote:
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Well, we all know NBC is going (and has went) down the tubes in recently years. I was just pointing out that if one would go back through almost every Thursday Night Rating discussion, there would be a comment from you in there about "The Office". Not every single week, but I'd venture about four out of five.:)
Not everyone falls prey to the NBC hype machine, clearly, since its not highly rated in the first place. But NBC does have a hit on its hands as far as DVD sales go... and it is (I believe) the network's second or third highest rated show in terms of actual viewership. Not the megahit, but certainly not a financial flop, either.:)
Speaking of hype, who knows hos high or low those DVD sales are.

There is no good source of DVD sales info available.

There is an outside source for overall numbers, and this is why you read all those articles about Hollywood fretting about DVD sales sinking (even though the movies that they are selling supposedly established "record box-office" seasons...)

The point being that every over-hyped show mentions "through the roof" DVD sales to justify the hype.

Now, maybe some of those shows really have great DVD sales, but it's extremely unlikely that every single one does, which makes the hype essentially meaningless.

As to whether shows make money, we are all in the dark (including profit participants) since Hollywood loves to play the "this is a huge hit" in the press - "this project hasn't made a dime" in private funny accounting game.
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May 25, 2009
 
Eric wrote:
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...and it is (I believe) the network's second or third highest rated show in terms of actual viewership. Not the megahit, but certainly not a financial flop, either.:)
As to not falling for the hype machine, in my experience, you are one of the very few not to have fallen for it. Many, many people think that shows like the one we were talking about are doing, much, much better than they really are.

I think it has to do with the respect our culture has for "published" information. We are taught to believe what has been printed because it must have been checked and therefore must be accurate.

I don't know if that ever was true, but certainly is not even remotely true any longer when journalist copy and paste PR releases in order to "write" their articles.

As for The Office being highly-rated for NBC, it just shows how low NBC has fallen.:(
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May 26, 2009
 
Rena Moretti wrote:
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I think it has to do with the respect our culture has for "published" information. We are taught to believe what has been printed because it must have been checked and therefore must be accurate.
I don't know if that ever was true, but certainly is not even remotely true any longer when journalist copy and paste PR releases in order to "write" their articles.
it's especially not true on the internet.
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May 26, 2009
 
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it's especially not true on the internet.
You're very right about that, but sadly whatever standards may have been in effect in the past are clearly no longer in effect, even for once respected major newspapers.

I just read an article about Mike Judge in the Wall Street Journal and the basic information in it was just completely inaccurate and clearly had been fed to the writer by Judge's PR people (with pearls such a King of the Hill essentially having the same ratings as The Simpsons and The Critics airing its second season on ABC).

Actually the bit about The Critic airing its second season on ABC probably came from false info in the PR release that was never checked by a journalist who clearly needed to check everything since she doesn't seem to know much about TV (a common plight of entertainment articles is that they're often written by people who really want to cover something else).
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May 26, 2009
 
That's not new, though; when I worked in journalism, I started at the bottom of the chain (covering board meetings in miniscule towns, writing up obits, going to the courthouse to read the police blotter, etc) and worked up to "real" reporting. Before I got tired of the politics of it all, I understood completely how dull the lower end of journalism truly is. That did not mean, however, that I just shoved whatever words fit into a sentence when writing my articles (my editor was Mrs. Hitler, and would have drawn/quarted me). It's not that I condone lazy reporting, but I certainly can understand it. Just try writing a different take on, "The board minutes were approved, there was no new business, the police department still needs a new patrol car, Mrs. Anderson's dog is still barking, oh, and wasn't the (fill in the blank) parade just wonderful?" every month, and you'll get my drift.

Again, not excusable, just understandable if you've been there.
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May 26, 2009
 
Rena Moretti wrote:
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You're very right about that, but sadly whatever standards may have been in effect in the past are clearly no longer in effect, even for once respected major newspapers.[edited length]....
and that's a real shame. fact-checking used to be the HALLMARK of respected papers and publications, isn't that right? now, everything has to be read with a grain of salt, and that can get tiring too (not being able to rely on anything). no wonder ppl are reading less and also learning less from what they do read!

in addition, maybe entertainment news is extra bad because ppl think it's just not that important.

Aaron R, the account of your forays into journalism made me LOL...at least you can be glad for all those wonderful writing skills you've managed to develop along the way! and yes, there is dull lazy reporting (which yeah, is sometimes quite understandable), but even worse is just plain inaccurate writing/reporting (not so understandable or acceptable).

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