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'Toddlers and Tiaras' and sexualizing kids

There are 27 comments on the CNN story from Sep 12, 2011, titled 'Toddlers and Tiaras' and sexualizing kids. In it, CNN reports that:

A placard opposes a child beauty pageant organized by the U.S. "Toddlers and Tiaras" in Melbourne, Australia, on July 30.

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Jim

Nundah, Australia

#1 Sep 12, 2011
In today's world, any foul thing, no matter how filthy, is certain to receive approbation and support from some poisonous fringe group or another.

So-called "children's beauty pageants" exist solely for the benefit of paedophiles. Anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is a LIAR. It's particularly disgusting that the MOTHERS of these children are actively complicit in making their own children available to paedophiles.

But no politician will ever have the moral courage to make these repugnant spectacles illegal. We can't rely on lawmakers.

But we CAN rely on ourselves. I would urge everyone to publicly protest these events, in whatever way you can. Letters/emails to newspapers; car bumper stickers; whatever means you can use, should be used.

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dont root kids

Australia

#2 Sep 12, 2011
My message is.clear
Elias

Heathridge, Australia

#3 Sep 13, 2011
Jim wrote:
So-called "children's beauty pageants" exist solely for the benefit of paedophiles. Anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is a LIAR.
Actually no, beauty pageants are superficial events that are for the entertainment of competitive mother's and families trying to push their children into limelight for publicity and potentially a career prop up.

In the process they unnecessarily subject the children to ridiculous pressure and incalculate superficial values that what you are on the inside is not as important as how you look.

Paedophiles are not going to go to these events as thye have to be invited, anyway the internet is a smorgasboard for all types of sexual deviants. They probably never have to leave home.

Since: Apr 11

Roma, QLD

#4 Sep 13, 2011
Elias wrote:
<quoted text>Actually no, beauty pageants are superficial events that are for the entertainment of competitive mother's and families trying to push their children into limelight for publicity and potentially a career prop up.

In the process they unnecessarily subject the children to ridiculous pressure and incalculate superficial values that what you are on the inside is not as important as how you look.

Paedophiles are not going to go to these events as thye have to be invited, anyway the internet is a smorgasboard for all types of sexual deviants. They probably never have to leave home.
Well said, these mothers are stupid if they think what they're doing to their children is going to be anything but damaging to their personalities and psychological health.
Jim

Nundah, Australia

#5 Sep 13, 2011
Elias wrote:
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Actually no, beauty pageants are superficial events that are for the entertainment of competitive mother's and families trying to push their children into limelight for publicity and potentially a career prop up.
In the process they unnecessarily subject the children to ridiculous pressure and incalculate superficial values that what you are on the inside is not as important as how you look.[/quote]

AND... they are for the gratification of paedophiles.

[quote]Paedophiles are not going to go to these events as thye have to be invited[/quote]

These events get media coverage. So, they can be accessed by paedophiles. And I wonder what is the liklihood that everyone who gets invited to one of these events is absolutely NOT a paedophile.

[quote]anyway the internet is a smorgasboard for all types of sexual deviants. They probably never have to leave home.
No doubt that's true. But it's absolutely irrelevant to the issue of whether or not child beauty pageants are displays that sexual deviants would seek out.

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Jim

Nundah, Australia

#6 Sep 13, 2011
Elias wrote:
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Actually no, beauty pageants are superficial events that are for the entertainment of competitive mother's and families trying to push their children into limelight for publicity and potentially a career prop up.
In the process they unnecessarily subject the children to ridiculous pressure and incalculate superficial values that what you are on the inside is not as important as how you look.
Paedophiles are not going to go to these events as thye have to be invited, anyway the internet is a smorgasboard for all types of sexual deviants. They probably never have to leave home.
AND... they are for the gratification of paedophiles.

These events get media coverage. So they CAN be accessed by paedophiles. And I wonder what is the liklihood that EVERYONE who gets invited to one of these events is absolutely NOT a paedophile.

No doubt it's true that the internet is a repository of filth that attracts filthy people. But that's absolutely irrelevant to the issue of whether or not child beauty pageants are displays that those same people would welcome.

Since: Aug 11

Melbourne, Australia

#8 Sep 13, 2011
I think beauty pageants are horrible, when they are old enough to understand if it should be okay, then by all means. Until then it is the parents responsibility to take care of their kids and lead them in the right direction, This can cause serious mental issues, Imagine at the age of 2-5 being told you aren't pretty, or you are not good enough for the pedophiles eye candy. Its bad enough its in our schools, this degrading, horrible, thoughtless act is hurting kids horribly, as a kid I was bullied because of my weight (I wasn't fat, but I was on the border) and that traumatised me, I still remember everything, and for this to happen at such a young age will make young people more concerned about how they look, and growing up too young soon we will have 10 year old parents, and 9 year old prostitutes, this is not what we want.
Sharon

Melbourne, Australia

#9 Sep 13, 2011
From what I saw on tv, I blame the mothers.
Faith

New Baltimore, MI

#10 Sep 13, 2011
They should put the big fat pushy mothers in prison for doing this to little girls. The mothers are fiends, degenerate fiends that are trying to compensate for a lifetime of failure by (for some bizarre reason) making their toddlers dress like hookers.
rider

Marquette, MI

#11 Sep 13, 2011
Faith wrote:
They should put the big fat pushy mothers in prison for doing this to little girls. The mothers are fiends, degenerate fiends that are trying to compensate for a lifetime of failure by (for some bizarre reason) making their toddlers dress like hookers.
This pro­gram exam­ines alle­ga­tions pre­sented in a book by a very con­ser­v­a­tive Nebraska state sen­a­tor con­cern­ing orga­nized pedophile rings within the ranks of the Repub­li­can party. These alleged activ­i­ties over­lap not only the admin­is­tra­tion of the elder George Bush but some of the activ­i­ties involved in the Iran-Contra scan­dal as well.

1. The pro­gram begins with dis­cus­sion of the arrest of a GOP mayor for allegedly lur­ing a minor for sex. As we shall see, this sort of thing is not as unusual as one might sup­pose within the ranks of the GOP. The alle­ga­tions con­tained in The Franklin Cover-Up put the con­cept of “fam­ily values”—much bal­ly­hooed by the GOP, in a dra­mat­i­cally dif­fer­ent light.

“Mayor Philip A. Gior­dano of Water­bury, who lost a long-shot bid last year to unseat Sen­a­tor Joseph I. Lieber­man and whose city has been tee­ter­ing on the edge of bank­ruptcy, was arrested in New Haven this morn­ing by fed­eral agents in New Haven and accused of lur­ing a minor for sex.... At a news con­fer­ence at the office of the United States attor­ney for Con­necti­cut in New Haven, offi­cials said Mr. Gior­dano had engaged in ‘inap­pro­pri­ate sex’ with ‘chil­dren,’ though they did not state the num­ber, age or sex of the vic­tims. The spe­cial agent in charge of the Fed­eral Bureau of Inves­ti­ga­tion in Con­necti­cut, Michael J. Wolf, said,‘The pub­lic expects and deserves utmost hon­esty, integrity and strong moral fiber from those who serve on their behalf.’ He called Mr. Giordano’s con­duct ‘disgraceful.’”
(“Con­necti­cut Mayor Is Arrested by U.S. Agents in Child Sex Case” by David M. Her­szen­horn; The New York Times; 7/27/2001; p. A19.)

2. Accord­ing to the con­ser­v­a­tive Nebraska state leg­is­la­tor John W. De Camp (a dec­o­rated Viet­nam vet­eran), the sort of activ­i­ties that Gior­dano was accused of engag­ing in are, to a cer­tain extent, rep­re­sen­ta­tive of how ele­ments of the GOP get their kicks. While prob­ing the col­lapse of a Nebraska finan­cial insti­tu­tion, inves­ti­ga­tors came upon some inter­est­ing oper­a­tions allegedly super­vised by a promi­nent Nebraska GOP big­wig, Larry King (not to be con­fused with the syn­di­cated talk show host.) Mr. Emory notes that the sec­ond edi­tion of the book con­tains some mate­r­ial which is eas­ily discredited—due, appar­ently, to De Camp’s hav­ing been overly trust­ing of some of the infor­ma­tion being dis­sem­i­nated by the less respon­si­ble ele­ments of the mili­tia milieu.

http://spitfirelist.com/for-the-record/ftr-31 ... The Washington Child Sex Ring Coverup

http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_child_sex...
Yank Oliver

Richmond Hill, Canada

#12 Sep 13, 2011
There's nothing wrong with child beauty pageants. I have loads of videos of them, they're better than porn when I feel like pulling off to some erotic images.
Elias

Heathridge, Australia

#13 Sep 13, 2011
Jim wrote:
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AND... they are for the gratification of paedophiles.
Hmmm I'm not a criminal psychologist but I doubt the sight of a 3 yr old fully dressed in adult clothing is going to attract the average paedophile given they have specific needs. It's like porn addicts watching a parade of girls fully dressed walking on a catwalk. Honestly it's not what a porn addict wants when there is millions of internet sites giving them what they need.

Having said that certain profiles of people who may be obsessed with child celebrities and their obsession may be unhealthy but they may not necessarily be paedophiles.
Oracle

Calwell, Australia

#14 Sep 14, 2011
The silliest thing of all is that the mothers fork out all the money for the costumes, the hair styles, the bling and pampering of these children who probably grow up to be spoilt brats anyay.
All that so that their child can be judged "worthy" "beautiful" "talented" "Best Dressed". Give me a break! My child doesn't have to go to a beauty pageant to know that she's beautiful and worthy...after all, she's my princess aready!! I have a daughter who I dont make a big fuss about dolling her up. She might want to do that when she's older, but I'm not encouraging her to dress tarty for anyone. Those kids in the pageants are being trained to do that. It's all in the training with kids.
Jim

Nundah, Australia

#15 Sep 14, 2011
Elias wrote:
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Hmmm I'm not a criminal psychologist but I doubt the sight of a 3 yr old fully dressed in adult clothing is going to attract the average paedophile given they have specific needs. It's like porn addicts watching a parade of girls fully dressed walking on a catwalk. Honestly it's not what a porn addict wants when there is millions of internet sites giving them what they need.
Having said that certain profiles of people who may be obsessed with child celebrities and their obsession may be unhealthy but they may not necessarily be paedophiles.
I'm not trained in abnormal Psychology either, and I wouldn't even try to hazard a guess at what goes on in a paedophile's mind. But I know this much: Even mentally-healthy people can get a degree of sexual titilation from watching fully-dressed women deliberately exhibiting themselves,(eg on a catwalk). We all know about the "mentally undressing" pastime, right?

If the "women" are in fact little girls whose Secondary Sexual Characteristics have been deliberately emphasised to mimic women of child-bearing age and sexual self-awareness, then I don't doubt for a second that paedophiles would seek out those pageants for their own purposes.

In any case, this is a classic example of "When in doubt, leave it out".

These events are promoted and participated in by a certain type of woman who by rights should be in a psychiatrist's office, working out their problems by therapy, instead of USING their own innocent children to do it by proxy. As such, there is no defensible reason for them to be permitted in any advanced society, where access to mental health care is relativelyeasy.

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Elias

Heathridge, Australia

#16 Sep 15, 2011
Jim wrote:
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I'm not trained in abnormal Psychology either, and I wouldn't even try to hazard a guess at what goes on in a paedophile's mind. But I know this much: Even mentally-healthy people can get a degree of sexual titilation from watching fully-dressed women deliberately exhibiting themselves,(eg on a catwalk). We all know about the "mentally undressing" pastime, right?
If the "women" are in fact little girls whose Secondary Sexual Characteristics have been deliberately emphasised to mimic women of child-bearing age and sexual self-awareness, then I don't doubt for a second that paedophiles would seek out those pageants for their own purposes.
In any case, this is a classic example of "When in doubt, leave it out".
These events are promoted and participated in by a certain type of woman who by rights should be in a psychiatrist's office, working out their problems by therapy, instead of USING their own innocent children to do it by proxy. As such, there is no defensible reason for them to be permitted in any advanced society, where access to mental health care is relativelyeasy.
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I certainly agree with you that publicizing these events does open the children to exposure to dangerous elements in society, no doubt.

The solution here is to re-design these events as fun events for strictly family and friends and no cameras or media. It would also have the positive effect of reducing stress on the children that they aren't going to be watched by anyone other than people they largely know.
Jim

Nundah, Australia

#17 Sep 15, 2011
Elias wrote:
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The solution here is to re-design these events as fun events for strictly family and friends and no cameras or media. It would also have the positive effect of reducing stress on the children that they aren't going to be watched by anyone other than people they largely know.
Yes, but I very much doubt the manic mothers of those poor kids would react well to that suggestion. After all, in their minds, it's really all about them, not their kids. What use is it to them to prostitute their children, if nobody sees it? I'm sure that to those women, showing their children only to families and friends doesn't really cut it. Because after all, they can do that any time.

I don't think there's room to manoeuvre here. I think this is something that should be made illegal, just as its city cousin, child porn, is illegal.

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TBA

Caringbah, Australia

#18 Sep 15, 2011
one only has to remember poor little Jon Benet.
Elias

Heathridge, Australia

#19 Sep 15, 2011
Jim wrote:
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Yes, but I very much doubt the manic mothers of those poor kids would react well to that suggestion. After all, in their minds, it's really all about them, not their kids. What use is it to them to prostitute their children, if nobody sees it? I'm sure that to those women, showing their children only to families and friends doesn't really cut it. Because after all, they can do that any time.
I don't think there's room to manoeuvre here. I think this is something that should be made illegal, just as its city cousin, child porn, is illegal.
Nothing that laws can't fix. They still get to have their parade, just a reduced audience.
Jim

Nundah, Australia

#20 Sep 15, 2011
TBA wrote:
one only has to remember poor little Jon Benet.
Quite. And I don't for a second doubt that the same end is at least a potential fate of any little girl whose mother regards her as an object to be exploited to gratify her own (possibly damaged) self-esteem.

Of all the Unthinkables in the world today, this is one of the most obscene, imo.
Jim

Nundah, Australia

#21 Sep 15, 2011
Elias wrote:
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Nothing that laws can't fix. They still get to have their parade, just a reduced audience.
Yes, Elias, but laws have never prevented crimes. People will break the Law if they are motivated enough.

With the media the way it is today, where even the most trivial fleeting moment is considered worthy of 4 minutes on TV or 2 paragraphs in the paper, and where every single citizen of the world is fair game for news gatherers, what chance would even a well-intentioned and concientious pageant organiser have of running such an event "in secret"?

I'd say zero chance, Elias. Wouldn't you?

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