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Self-proclaimed experts exploit ignorance of Islam

There are 63 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Apr 4, 2007, titled Self-proclaimed experts exploit ignorance of Islam. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

The local Muslim community is very concerned about Robert Spencer's invitation from the local FBI office to talk about Islam and terrorism.

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Jeff

United States

#1 Apr 4, 2007
What does being black have to do with being a Muslim? That makes you a bit of a racist now doesn't it.
I notice you are quick to call some that have a negative opinion of your religion ignorant. Who do you hate?
We Americans are a very tolerant people. When we see people hacked to death and the moderate Muslim community says almost nothing then we get a bit suspicious.
The Judge

Chicago, IL

#2 Apr 4, 2007
It is so easy for you to put down people for pointing out what is true about your religion, but you say nothing to condem the terrorist that have caused the stigma. Yes, god help us that your religion will find peace a new way of life.
Chuck

United States

#3 Apr 4, 2007
Ismail should hope every infidel remains ingnorant of islam and its goals. Robert Spencer in his book quotes will known islamic leaders in drawing any conclusions.
Denny

Denver, CO

#4 Apr 4, 2007
You mean the same Ayaan Hirsi Ali who had to go into hiding in her adopted country of Holland because of her participation in a film that was critical about the Islamic treatment of women that led to death threats by Muslims ? The same film that resulted in the butchering of Theo Van Gogh in the streets of Amsterdam by a Muslim fanatic? Perhaps the dear
"Iman" would have been happier if Ms. Ali had also been murdered?
Zena

Oklahoma City, OK

#5 Apr 4, 2007
Smiley, who has never had a black American Muslim on his program...

You are wrong Sherlock. Keith Ellison was on his program back in October of 2006. Before you make stupid claims, investigate.
Gabe

Tucson, AZ

#6 Apr 4, 2007
This transparent attempt to silence all critics of radical Islam won't fly.
reader

Bloomingdale, IL

#7 Apr 4, 2007
Chuck wrote:
Ismail should hope every infidel remains ingnorant of islam and its goals. Robert Spencer in his book quotes will known islamic leaders in drawing any conclusions.
Did you read the following posted here recently? What does it say?

In his commentary published in Chicago Tribune of Sept. 19, Prof Emeritus, Marty Martin of the University of Chicago Divinity School, wrote:

" I know I'll get hit for suggesting "equivalencies" here, though I am always clear in stating that there is no equivalency between today's radical and extreme Muslims and today's ordinary Christians. But it also must be said that Christians, from the 4th Century to the 18th Century, can match the Muslims one-for-one when it comes to having spread the faith with the sword. Read the history of the Christianization of Europe, and you have to go hunting for that minority of the faithful who spread the faith without the sword, merely by witness and works."
reader

Bloomingdale, IL

#8 Apr 4, 2007
Chuck wrote:
Ismail should hope every infidel remains ingnorant of islam and its goals. Robert Spencer in his book quotes will known islamic leaders in drawing any conclusions.
Here is another recent post worth reprdoducing in response to you:

Neither Christianity nor Islams are monolithic. The Indonesians are different from the Bangladeshis, just as the Pakistanis are different from the Egyptians.

Not all blue-eyed white Christians think like Timothy McVeigh. Guilt by association, therefore, is illogical and irrational.

Despite a long protracted war in Northern Ireland, a majority of Christians around the world abhor violence.

Evangelical Protestants tend to view Islam much more unfavorably than do mainline American Protestants and Catholics, according to a new analysis of recent public opinion surveys published by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life.

The analysis, much of which is based on findings of a major poll carried out last summer by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press, found that 50 percent of white evangelical Protestants believe that Islam "is more likely than others to encourage violence among its believers," while only about a third of mainline Protestants and Catholics accepted that view.

It also found that attitudes towards Muslim-Americans and Islam tended to be affected by four key factors--education, age, knowledge of Islam, and personal acquaintance with Muslims.

You will do yourself a service if you tried to educate yourself about Islam and get to know Muslims personally.
Koran Reader

Carmel, IN

#9 Apr 4, 2007
Mohammed:

teaches that men are superior to women (Surah 2:228)

gives the man double the value of a woman's witness in court (Surah 2:282)

gives men double the share of the women in inheritance (Surah 4:11)

imposes "Jizya" (tribute tax) on Christians and Jews that will be collected only from them and not from Muslims (Surah 9:29)

calls on Muslims not to befriend Jews or Christians (Surah 9:30)

says that a Muslim may not be killed if he kills a non- Muslim. "No Muslim should be killed for killing a kafir (infidel or non- Muslim). "Al Bukhari Vol. 9:50

says “Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.”(Hadith Al Buhkari vol. 9:57)

says 'The smallest reward for the people of paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives…”(Surah Al-Rahman (55), verse 72)
DRB

United States

#10 Apr 4, 2007
When the Muslim community steps up and through voice and action condemns and helps eliminate those that support and carry out terrorist acts, then I'll consider revising my opinion of Islam and those that follow it.
Until then, the daily bombings and killings carried out by islamic extremists that we see on the news each day will be all the "expert" information the average American needs to see the truth of issue.
reader

Bloomingdale, IL

#11 Apr 4, 2007
Jeff wrote:
What does being black have to do with being a Muslim? That makes you a bit of a racist now doesn't it.
I notice you are quick to call some that have a negative opinion of your religion ignorant. Who do you hate?
We Americans are a very tolerant people. When we see people hacked to death and the moderate Muslim community says almost nothing then we get a bit suspicious.
THERE ARE TWO MILLION BLACK MUSLIMS IN AMERICA. THEY HAVE LIVED HERE IN AMERICA FOR GENERATIONS. WHEN RIGHT WINGERS ATTACK ISLAM, THEY ARE ATTACKING THE FAITH OF BLACK AMERICANS AS WELL.

A DIALOG IS FOR THE SAKE OF LEARNING AND LEARNING IS FOR THE SAKE OF DIALOG. HOPE YOU LEARNED SOMETHING.
Denny

Milford, CT

#12 Apr 4, 2007
Timothy McVeigh wasn't a Christian, and not a single one of his public utterances about his crime cited a religious reason for his actions.

Theo Van Gogh was murdered in the streets of Amsterdam for allegedly insulting a world religion. When Martin Scorcese made Last Temptation of Christ, despite the anger he didn't have to go into hiding. Big difference in how the two faiths handle dissent.

The "cleric" who wrote the original letter failed to mention that Ali was a member of the Dutch parliament and left Holland because the authorities grew weary and fearful of providing police protection from the lunatics who murdered Van Gogh.
Chuck

United States

#13 Apr 4, 2007
reader wrote:
<quoted text>

Here is another recent post worth reprdoducing in response to you:

Neither Christianity nor Islams are monolithic. The Indonesians are different from the Bangladeshis, just as the Pakistanis are different from the Egyptians.

Not all blue-eyed white Christians think like Timothy McVeigh. Guilt by association, therefore, is illogical and irrational.

Despite a long protracted war in Northern Ireland, a majority of Christians around the world abhor violence.

Evangelical Protestants tend to view Islam much more unfavorably than do mainline American Protestants and Catholics, according to a new analysis of recent public opinion surveys published by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life.

The analysis, much of which is based on findings of a major poll carried out last summer by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press, found that 50 percent of white evangelical Protestants believe that Islam "is more likely than others to encourage violence among its believers," while only about a third of mainline Protestants and Catholics accepted that view.

It also found that attitudes towards Muslim-Americans and Islam tended to be affected by four key factors--education, age, knowledge of Islam, and personal acquaintance with Muslims.

You will do yourself a service if you tried to educate yourself about Islam and get to know Muslims personally.
You can quote all kinds of opinon pulls. But that does not change the reality that is islam. Did they do a poll on how many of these christian people who think islam is such a "peaceful" religion would like to live under muslim rule.
Chuck

United States

#14 Apr 4, 2007
reader wrote:
<quoted text>

Did you read the following posted here recently? What does it say?

In his commentary published in Chicago Tribune of Sept. 19, Prof Emeritus, Marty Martin of the University of Chicago Divinity School, wrote:

" I know I'll get hit for suggesting "equivalencies" here, though I am always clear in stating that there is no equivalency between today's radical and extreme Muslims and today's ordinary Christians. But it also must be said that Christians, from the 4th Century to the 18th Century, can match the Muslims one-for-one when it comes to having spread the faith with the sword. Read the history of the Christianization of Europe, and you have to go hunting for that minority of the faithful who spread the faith without the sword, merely by witness and works."
When has there been a Christian mandated to spread Christianity by the sword.
reader

Bloomingdale, IL

#15 Apr 4, 2007
Koran Reader wrote:
Mohammed:

teaches that men are superior to women (Surah 2:228)

gives the man double the value of a woman's witness in court (Surah 2:282)

gives men double the share of the women in inheritance (Surah 4:11)

imposes "Jizya" (tribute tax) on Christians and Jews that will be collected only from them and not from Muslims (Surah 9:29)

calls on Muslims not to befriend Jews or Christians (Surah 9:30)

says that a Muslim may not be killed if he kills a non- Muslim. "No Muslim should be killed for killing a kafir (infidel or non- Muslim). "Al Bukhari Vol. 9:50

says “Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.”(Hadith Al Buhkari vol. 9:57)

says 'The smallest reward for the people of paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives…”(Surah Al-Rahman (55), verse 72)
Even though the 9/11 was perpetrated by a small group of terrorists, many in the West have used guilt by association to demonize Islam. Talking to a delegation of Anti-Defamation League at the Vatican recently, the pontiff spoke against any misuse of religion for spreading hatred and violence.

Muslims refer to Jews and Christians as 'The People of the Books'. Islam regards itself as a continuation of the idea of one, eternal and indivisible God preached by Patriarch Abraham and other prophets who followed him.

The Christian belief in Trinity and the Jewish denial of Prophets Jesus and Mohammad are the sources of disagreements between the followers of the three great monotheistic religions.

Nevertheless, the Quran still assigns a special place to Christians and Jews as is evident from many verses, including this one: And argue not with the People of the Scripture unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong; and say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you; our God and your God is One and we are committed to observe peace before Him (Al-Ankabut: 46).

Apart from the differences of details, the long history of political conflict between Islam and Christianity has tended to color the West's view of Islam. In the wake of 9/11 especially, politicians and sections of the media have tended to portray Islam as a religion that preaches perpetual war on the followers of other faiths.

In this well-orchestrated campaign, reference is often made to those verses of the Quran (the collection of which took place over 22 years) which were revealed in actual battle conditions when Muslims were fighting for their survival. Reading them out of context would obviously lead to a gross misunderstanding of the teachings of Islam.

While terrorist groups in the Muslim world have done enormous harm to the image of Islam, inter-religious harmony, and coexistence, politicians, sections of the media and even responsible people in the Western world have not helped matters by utterances that hurt Muslim religious sentiments.

Pope Benedict should take a lead in encouraging a dialog among the intellectuals of the three faiths and perhaps follow the commendable example set by his predecessor, Pope John Paul II, who relentlessly worked for inter-faith harmony, understanding and coexistence.

A genuine dialog requires looking both inward and outward. Muslim intellectuals must put their heads together and work not only for the rejection of extremism by a minority of Muslims but also to chart a strategy to bring modernity to their community.
reader

Bloomingdale, IL

#16 Apr 4, 2007
Denny wrote:
Timothy McVeigh wasn't a Christian, and not a single one of his public utterances about his crime cited a religious reason for his actions.

Theo Van Gogh was murdered in the streets of Amsterdam for allegedly insulting a world religion. When Martin Scorcese made Last Temptation of Christ, despite the anger he didn't have to go into hiding. Big difference in how the two faiths handle dissent.

The "cleric" who wrote the original letter failed to mention that Ali was a member of the Dutch parliament and left Holland because the authorities grew weary and fearful of providing police protection from the lunatics who murdered Van Gogh.
May be you forgot that a war between Catholics and Protestants has been fought in Northern Ireland for 400-plus years.

May be you also forgot that the ARMY OF GOD fanatics bombed numerous abortion clinics in America. No one called them Christiano-fascists.

May be you also forgot JONESTOWN suicides in Guina.

I am not interested in maligning any faith. The relevant point is that people have misused their faiths.

Did you watch recent 20/20 ABC program where a Jesuit priest had an affair with seven women in Alaska and fathered a son who is in his thirties now. Does that mean we malign the entire Christian faith. The answer is a resounding NO.
Chuck

United States

#18 Apr 4, 2007
Who speaks for islam? How does one embrace a religion that gives us what we see in the Middle East?
reader

Bloomingdale, IL

#19 Apr 4, 2007
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>When has there been a Christian mandated to spread Christianity by the sword.
Address this question to Prof. Emeritus Marty Martin of the U. of Chicago Divinity School.
reader

Bloomingdale, IL

#20 Apr 4, 2007
Denny wrote:
Timothy McVeigh wasn't a Christian, and not a single one of his public utterances about his crime cited a religious reason for his actions.

Theo Van Gogh was murdered in the streets of Amsterdam for allegedly insulting a world religion. When Martin Scorcese made Last Temptation of Christ, despite the anger he didn't have to go into hiding. Big difference in how the two faiths handle dissent.

The "cleric" who wrote the original letter failed to mention that Ali was a member of the Dutch parliament and left Holland because the authorities grew weary and fearful of providing police protection from the lunatics who murdered Van Gogh.
Did you forget that the Army of God fanatics, who bombed numerous abortion clinics in America, is a fascist Chritian group?

Did you forget that JONESTOWN, GUINA suicides? Was that a Christian Church?

Did you forget that the Catholics and Proetestants fought a 400-plus year war in Norther Ireland?

Wasn't Timothy McVeigh was a son of a Christian family?

The point here is that any entire religion should not be maligned.
reader

Bloomingdale, IL

#21 Apr 4, 2007
ThatsSoGhetto wrote:
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You know why they're alot of black muslims?

Because the brand of "islam" they subscribe to does nothing more than preach hatred for white people and tout how ALL white people are "spawn of the devil" and how all of the black races "problems" are the white mans fault.

YOU DID NOT SAY WHO (WHAT RELIGION?) BROUGHT THESE BLACKS FROM AFRICA AND HOW INHUMANELY THEY WERE TREATED. IT APPEARS ELIZABETH TAYLOR IS CONDEMNING DIVORCE BY THE BLOGGERS HERE.

FOLKS, TRY TO OVERCOME YOUR PREJUDICES AND THINK BEFORE YOU CONTRADICT YOURSELF.

So it's no wonder the only people in america that AREN'T of arabic or islamic decent that are stupid or ignorant enough to follow the cult that calls itself "islam" are, and for all the wrong reasons I might add, you guessed it:

Black people.

Yea, a cult that bases itself on hate for white christians is dominated by blacks when it comes to their numbers in the US.

Real shock there.
YOU FORGOT TO MENTION WHO (WHAT RELIGION?) BROUGHT THESE BLACKS FROM AFRICA AND HOW THEY WERE TREATED.
IT APPEARS THAT ELIZABETH TAYLOR IS CONDEMNING DIVORCE HERE.

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