Not Even in South Park?

Not Even in South Park?

There are 27 comments on the www.nytimes.com story from Apr 26, 2010, titled Not Even in South Park?. In it, www.nytimes.com reports that:

Two months before 9/11, Comedy Central aired an episode of “South Park” entitled “Super Best Friends,” in which the cartoon show’s foul-mouthed urchins sought assistance from an unusual team of superheroes. These particular superfriends were all religious figures: Jesus, Krishna, Buddha, Mormonism’s Joseph Smith, Taoism’s Lao-tse — and the Prophet Muhammad, depicted with a turban and a 5 o’clock shadow, and introduced as “the Muslim prophet with the powers of flame.”

That was a more permissive time. You can’t portray Muhammad on American television anymore ...

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“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#1 Apr 26, 2010
from nytimes:

"These gimmicks then prompted a writer for the New York-based Web site revolutionmuslim.com to predict that Parker and Stone would end up like Theo van Gogh, the Dutch filmmaker murdered in 2004 for his scathing critiques of Islam ...

"This passive-aggressive death threat provoked a swift response from Comedy Central. In last week’s follow-up episode, the prophet’s non-appearance appearances were censored, and every single reference to Muhammad was bleeped out. The historical record was quickly scrubbed as well: The original 'Super Best Friends' episode is no longer available on the Internet."

What abt DVD or Blue Ray?

Since: Feb 09

England

#2 Apr 26, 2010
I watched that episode (uncensored) here in England only a few weeks ago, on a channel called VIVA.
It may still be on here...

http://uk.viva.tv/...
Isreality

Albany, NY

#3 Apr 26, 2010
The intellect of children at play
You go mr Islam editor.
what's next, mickey mouse cartoons.

Always giving your thoughts out eh joey boy? I see why...
http://individualegoist.files.wordpress.com/2...
more truth

Tallahassee, FL

#4 Apr 26, 2010
I wonder if this disgusting show has done all this to spark ratings.

“Alea iacta est!”

Since: Oct 06

Oh it's ON!

#5 Apr 26, 2010
"But there’s still a sense in which the “South Park” case is particularly illuminating. Not because it tells us anything new about the lines that writers and entertainers suddenly aren’t allowed to cross. But because it’s a reminder that Islam is just about the only place where we draw any lines at all.

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"Except where Islam is concerned. There, the standards are established under threat of violence, and accepted out of a mix of self-preservation and self-loathing.

This is what decadence looks like: a frantic coarseness that “bravely” trashes its own values and traditions, and then knuckles under swiftly to totalitarianism and brute force.

Happily, today’s would-be totalitarians are probably too marginal to take full advantage. This isn’t Weimar Germany, and Islam’s radical fringe is still a fringe, rather than an existential enemy.

For that, we should be grateful. Because if a violent fringe is capable of inspiring so much cowardice and self-censorship, it suggests that there’s enough rot in our institutions that a stronger foe might be able to bring them crashing down."

Actually, he's wrong. This violent fringe is backed by the loud mouthed 'moderate' Muslims who bring the lawsuits, who bully and try to change the laws to bring about the same goal......silencing Islam's critics.
sun tzu

Vanda, Finland

#6 Apr 26, 2010
more truth wrote:
I wonder if this disgusting show has done all this to spark ratings.
From watching an interview with the creators of south park about this, I get the feeling its about supporting the Danish cartoonists and anyone else threatened by muslims over freedom of speech

In fact its possible that Trey Parker and Matt Stone might have had a good idea what would happen and how that would lead to the current public uproar in defence of freedom of speech

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#7 Apr 26, 2010
Isreality wrote:
The intellect of children at play ...
Yeah, a pic of a dead Van Gogh is real playful ...

"These gimmicks then prompted a writer for the New York-based Web site revolutionmuslim.com to predict that Parker and Stone would end up like Theo van Gogh, the Dutch filmmaker murdered in 2004 for his scathing critiques of Islam. The writer, an American convert to Islam named Abu Talhah Al-Amrikee, didn’t technically threaten to kill them himself. His post, and the accompanying photo of van Gogh’s corpse, was just 'a warning ... of what will likely happen to them.'"
sun tzu

Vanda, Finland

#8 Apr 26, 2010
Trisha wrote:
"But there’s still a sense in which the “South Park” case is particularly illuminating. Not because it tells us anything new about the lines that writers and entertainers suddenly aren’t allowed to cross. But because it’s a reminder that Islam is just about the only place where we draw any lines at all.
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"Except where Islam is concerned. There, the standards are established under threat of violence, and accepted out of a mix of self-preservation and self-loathing.
This is what decadence looks like: a frantic coarseness that “bravely” trashes its own values and traditions, and then knuckles under swiftly to totalitarianism and brute force.
Happily, today’s would-be totalitarians are probably too marginal to take full advantage. This isn’t Weimar Germany, and Islam’s radical fringe is still a fringe, rather than an existential enemy.
For that, we should be grateful. Because if a violent fringe is capable of inspiring so much cowardice and self-censorship, it suggests that there’s enough rot in our institutions that a stronger foe might be able to bring them crashing down."
Actually, he's wrong. This violent fringe is backed by the loud mouthed 'moderate' Muslims who bring the lawsuits, who bully and try to change the laws to bring about the same goal......silencing Islam's critics.
Hi Trisha

Based on what I have seen other forums ect, this looks like it might turn in to a big deal - people just aren’t going to be dictated to by muslims over what they can and cant do

muslims cant draw mohammad - ok no problem
but I’m not a muslim
and I’m not ruled by muslims
so I’ll draw whatever I like

any way I fancy myself as a bit of an artist – I'm currently working on a sketch entitled “oh no I stood in a mo”

“Alea iacta est!”

Since: Oct 06

Oh it's ON!

#9 Apr 26, 2010
sun tzu wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi Trisha
Based on what I have seen other forums ect, this looks like it might turn in to a big deal - people just aren’t going to be dictated to by muslims over what they can and cant do
muslims cant draw mohammad - ok no problem
but I’m not a muslim
and I’m not ruled by muslims
so I’ll draw whatever I like
any way I fancy myself as a bit of an artist – I'm currently working on a sketch entitled “oh no I stood in a mo”
Hi Sun!

lol!! You're going to contribute to the 'draw mo day', we must get a link!
bmz

La Jolla, CA

#10 Apr 26, 2010
i think a worldwide movement is in order. let's make the profit's birthday a draw a mohammad day. let's worship him the way non - muslims do -- through caricature. lol.
Frost

Raeford, NC

#11 Apr 26, 2010
these filthy towelheads need to be more concerned with the fact that mohammed was a pedophile and not be concerned with people putting him in a bear suit on a cartoon..

thanks alot republicans and democrats for getting us in this mess, by allowing radical muslims to keep coming to america and for NOT rounding them up and sending the bastards back to where they came from.

never send an african to do a black man's job
Reader

AOL

#12 Apr 26, 2010
Frost wrote:
these filthy towelheads need to be more concerned with the fact that mohammed was a pedophile and not be concerned with people putting him in a bear suit on a cartoon..
thanks alot republicans and democrats for getting us in this mess, by allowing radical muslims to keep coming to america and for NOT rounding them up and sending the bastards back to where they came from.
never send an african to do a black man's job
you sound like the fake "bmz".were you an altar boy or a nun too?dont worry about Mohammad,worry about the pederasts (pastors,priests)who nail your children.
Reader

AOL

#13 Apr 26, 2010
Trisha wrote:
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Hi Sun!
lol!! You're going to contribute to the 'draw mo day', we must get a link!
well i dont know about the other link but i can help you with the "pisschrist" link.will that help?
more truth

Tallahassee, FL

#14 Apr 26, 2010
This show - may it crawl away and die - from time to time attracts headlines by insulting something or other.

“Alea iacta est!”

Since: Oct 06

Oh it's ON!

#15 Apr 26, 2010
more truth wrote:
This show - may it crawl away and die - from time to time attracts headlines by insulting something or other.
You live in America, this is the American way. Nothing is sacred. Sarcasm, ridicule, humor.....it is part of our culture. Get used to it because it is not going away and it's something to be proud of.

Long live Freedom of Expression!

“Alea iacta est!”

Since: Oct 06

Oh it's ON!

#16 Apr 26, 2010
Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
well i dont know about the other link but i can help you with the "pisschrist" link.will that help?
Post it, it won't bother me.

Enjoy the feeling of being emasculated once again.

“Alea iacta est!”

Since: Oct 06

Oh it's ON!

#17 Apr 27, 2010
Trisha wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi Sun!
lol!! You're going to contribute to the 'draw mo day', we must get a link!
btw, The 'Everybody Draw Mo Day' was not exactly what it appeared. It was one artist expressing herself, she wasn't actually making it a contest or asking for pics. Here is her statement:

http://www.mollynorris.com/

I make cartoons about current, cultural events. I made a cartoon of a fictional &#65533;poster&#65533; entitled &#65533;Everybody Draw Mohammed Day!&#65533; with a nonexistent group&#65533;s name &#65533; Citizens Against Citizens Against Humor &#65533; drawn on the cartoon. It was in specific response to the recent censoring of a South Park episode, a desire to bring home the importance of the first amendment. I did not intend for my cartoon to go viral. I did not intend to be the focus of any &#65533;group&#65533;. This particular cartoon has struck a gigantic nerve, something I was totally unprepared for.

Personally I can feel afraid of Muslims because I really have no idea if in their hearts they hate non-Muslims. There are so many interpretations of the religion that I hear told &#65533; sometimes it is a very extreme translation (that&#65533;s the scary part, the radicals that believe that Westerners should die), then at other times it sounds more peaceful.

I hope for the sake of this country that moderate Muslims will speak out with everyone else against any violent members of that or any other religion. That way I would know that there is a difference. Maybe this cartoon I made, this fictional poster of &#65533;Everybody Draw Mohammed Day!&#65533; had such a wildfire effect because it is finally time for Muslims and non-Muslims to understand one another more.

I am going back to the drawing table now!

Thanks,
Molly

“Alea iacta est!”

Since: Oct 06

Oh it's ON!

#18 Apr 27, 2010
Sun,
Here is an article talking about the 'Mo Day' creators and their reactions now:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/20...

'Then why did she send the cartoon to the media in the first place? "Because I'm an idiot," Norris replied.

"This particular cartoon of a 'poster' seems to have struck a gigantic nerve, something I was totally unprepared for," she said.
She doesn't appear to be alone. The creator of a Facebook page dedicated to the day has bowed out as well. Jon Wellington told the Washington Post (before abandoning ship) that he created the page because he "loved [Norris's] creative approach to the whole thing -- whimsical and nonjudgmental."

While he was still associated with his own event he said: "To me, this is all about freedom of expression and tolerance of other viewpoints, so I hope you'll help make this a sandbox that anyone can play in, if they want. I don't think it'd be right under the circumstances for me (or anyone) to censor inflammatory posts *ahem*, but let's be welcoming and inclusive, mmkay?"

Apparently the posts weren't "welcoming" enough, as on Sunday morning he announced his departure from the cause. "I am aghast that so many people are posting deeply offensive pictures of the Prophet," he writes. "Y'all go ahead if that's your bag, but count me out."

Did he think people were going to post flattering images?

That's what Facebook user Douglas Armstrong wondered too. "You created an event inviting people to submit pictures of Mohammed," Armstrong wrote. "And apparently you're so new to the Internet that you didn't foresee what would happen?"
more truth

Tallahassee, FL

#19 Apr 27, 2010
Ha, so that's what happened. People began submitting grossly offensive, obscene pics. Goes well with the grossly offensive, obscene show.

SP has gotten publicity for this sort of thing before. Maybe that is the way it hangs on. May it crawl away and die.

For some years now, people have been mistaking coarseness and obscenity for honesty.
sun tzu

Vanda, Finland

#20 Apr 27, 2010
Trisha wrote:
Sun,
Here is an article talking about the 'Mo Day' creators and their reactions now:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/20...
'Then why did she send the cartoon to the media in the first place? "Because I'm an idiot," Norris replied.
"This particular cartoon of a 'poster' seems to have struck a gigantic nerve, something I was totally unprepared for," she said.
She doesn't appear to be alone. The creator of a Facebook page dedicated to the day has bowed out as well. Jon Wellington told the Washington Post (before abandoning ship) that he created the page because he "loved [Norris's] creative approach to the whole thing -- whimsical and nonjudgmental."
While he was still associated with his own event he said: "To me, this is all about freedom of expression and tolerance of other viewpoints, so I hope you'll help make this a sandbox that anyone can play in, if they want. I don't think it'd be right under the circumstances for me (or anyone) to censor inflammatory posts *ahem*, but let's be welcoming and inclusive, mmkay?"
Apparently the posts weren't "welcoming" enough, as on Sunday morning he announced his departure from the cause. "I am aghast that so many people are posting deeply offensive pictures of the Prophet," he writes. "Y'all go ahead if that's your bag, but count me out."
Did he think people were going to post flattering images?
That's what Facebook user Douglas Armstrong wondered too. "You created an event inviting people to submit pictures of Mohammed," Armstrong wrote. "And apparently you're so new to the Internet that you didn't foresee what would happen?"
I can understand Molly Norris concern about this and I respect her wish to have nothing more to do with it, but this thing is probably going to go ahead one way or another

I also see Jon Wellington has withdrawn from this, which is also understandable

a couple of vids i saw to day:

this covers what I think about it (main points start about 2:40)
South Park Death Threats By Muslim Extremists - Bill O'Reilly Vs. TYT



and

this is a youtube contributor called thunderfoot who is usually a very rational guy who covers religion v science topics, in this one I get the impression he’s very angered by all this

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

if your going to watch this one do it soon the original was taken down by youtube also note the date this was posted and how many views so far

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