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Gay rights marchers in DC: 'We won't back down'

There are 75 comments on the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin story from Oct 12, 2009, titled Gay rights marchers in DC: 'We won't back down'. In it, Inland Valley Daily Bulletin reports that:

Rainbow flags fluttered above the crowds near the White House as tens of thousands of gay rights supporters rallied to demand that President Barack Obama keep his promises to end discrimination against gays and also let them serve openly in the military.

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Sarcastic

United States

#1 Oct 12, 2009
How 'bout that un-biased reporting by the AP? Yeah, right. I like how they only report one side of this debate. The AP is garbage. They wrote this article as if gays are terribly oppressed. Society has come to accept gays quicker than any other civil rights movement in the past. Yet gays won't stop. What do they want? They already have the same rights as any other individual in the USA. It's not like they are not allowed to use the same restrooms as everyone else, or as if they are forced to sit on the back of the bus. I guess they just want to force everyone to like and accept their way of life. People are entited to disagree and you can't force people to like something.

Why drop don't ask don't tell? In the military they use community showers. Would it be right for a straight man to take a shower in the women's shower? Absolutely not. At the same time it should not be acceptable for an openly gay person to take showers with straight personnel. If I was in the position of being subjected to that I certainly would not want someone in the shower looking at me sexually. I would feel that my rights would be taken away from me. But I won't hold my breath on the ACLU defending that position. One should be in the military to serve their country not to be openly gay and openly check out their fellow soldiers.

It's best everywhere in society for everyone to keep their sexual orientation as private as possible. Keep that at home. Why would you want to make people feel uncomfortable? Is it okay to infringe on the rights of straight people? I think many gays would answer yes to this question.

As for marriage, I don't understand why gays want to marry. Marriage is a religious bond between a man and a woman. Gays tend to (99 to 1) not be religious. Gays are fully entitled to civil unions with the same rights as a man and woman have with a marriage, but to me it seems that gays just want to destroy the sanctity of marriage. Why must they have that one word? Are straight people not allowed to have anything of their own? I feel gays are disgracefully oppressing the rights of straight people

Who will stand up and defend the rights of straight people? All individuals are created equal and are entitled to have basic human rights and be free from discrimination, but one group of people should not be allowed to destroy another's traditions.
Romanator

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#3 Oct 12, 2009
Sarcastic wrote:
How 'bout that un-biased reporting by the AP? Yeah, right. I like how they only report one side of this debate. The AP is garbage. They wrote this article as if gays are terribly oppressed. Society has come to accept gays quicker than any other civil rights movement in the past. Yet gays won't stop. What do they want? They already have the same rights as any other individual in the USA. It's not like they are not allowed to use the same restrooms as everyone else, or as if they are forced to sit on the back of the bus. I guess they just want to force everyone to like and accept their way of life. People are entited to disagree and you can't force people to like something.
Why drop don't ask don't tell? In the military they use community showers. Would it be right for a straight man to take a shower in the women's shower? Absolutely not. At the same time it should not be acceptable for an openly gay person to take showers with straight personnel. If I was in the position of being subjected to that I certainly would not want someone in the shower looking at me sexually. I would feel that my rights would be taken away from me. But I won't hold my breath on the ACLU defending that position. One should be in the military to serve their country not to be openly gay and openly check out their fellow soldiers.
It's best everywhere in society for everyone to keep their sexual orientation as private as possible. Keep that at home. Why would you want to make people feel uncomfortable? Is it okay to infringe on the rights of straight people? I think many gays would answer yes to this question.
As for marriage, I don't understand why gays want to marry. Marriage is a religious bond between a man and a woman. Gays tend to (99 to 1) not be religious. Gays are fully entitled to civil unions with the same rights as a man and woman have with a marriage, but to me it seems that gays just want to destroy the sanctity of marriage. Why must they have that one word? Are straight people not allowed to have anything of their own? I feel gays are disgracefully oppressing the rights of straight people
Who will stand up and defend the rights of straight people? All individuals are created equal and are entitled to have basic human rights and be free from discrimination, but one group of people should not be allowed to destroy another's traditions.
Ditto
Mayblitz

Murrieta, CA

#4 Oct 12, 2009
"Gays tend to (99 to 1) not be religious."?? And that is based on what evidence exactly? Quick reminder; this is America, not some Taliban ruled country. Marriage is NOT a solely religious union . It can be only if the couple chooses it to be. Plenty of straight agnostics and atheists also marry - and not in churches.(So why don't you religious zealots persecute them too? oh wait, you do. Never mind). So please stop using the bible to justify your hatred...The rights of straight people? God, how laughable! Yeah, gay people want to destroy all those marriages that frequently end up in divorce anyway. NEWS ALERT: Straight people are a bigger threat to straight marriages than gay people...and, SHOCKER: Gay people already serve (and YES, shower!)in the military. Get over yourselves. You are probably not that hot anyway so don't worry...

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#6 Oct 12, 2009
Sarcastic wrote:
(see post #1)
It always amazes me when the sadly misinformed can go on and on about subjects they obviously know so little about. It is time for your education in the realities of the state of Lesbian and Gay rights in your own country. While you assume that we enjoy the same rights you do, the real truth is that we do not. Although we are ever so kindly allowed to use the same restrooms and sit anywhere on the bus with the straight folk, it is far from our right to do so. There is no federal law preventing that kind of discrimination in such public accommodations and it is only illegal do to so in ten states and the District of Columbia as well as a number of municipalities. So depending on what your local laws are on the subject, if you wanted to hang a sign saying no gays allowed on your public restrooms or one that directed us to the back of the bus, while it probably wouldn't be the brightest idea that you've had in your lifetime, you would have every right to do so and we'd have no legal recourse in which to fight against it. And this is just ONE area of our lives, you'd hopefully be outraged at where we can legally be discriminated against in terms of housing, credit, employment, insurance and on and on simply for being gay. So, if you really believe that we have the same rights you do, you are very sadly mistaken.

As for the subject of gays in the military, you may not realize this, but there already there, by some estimates tens of thousands of them. They are already sharing the showers and the barracks and the foxholes with the cream of heterosexual youth and in many instances, they probably already know they are there. If your best argument for not allowing Lesbians and Gays to serve in the military is that we need to pander to the squeamish fears of a very few straight boys whose greatest fear in life is that they might be seen naked by someone who might (but in all likelihood won't, which is probably the real issue they fear) find them sexually attractive, you might as well give it up right now.

If it's best for society to keep ones sexual orientation as private as possible, why isn't that requirement equally enforced on those of you who are straight as it is on those of us who aren't? I'd challenge you to spend even a day attempting to not flaunt your heterosexuality. No talk about a wife or girlfriend, no mention of finding someone of the opposite sex attractive, hiding any pictures of said wife or girlfriend from public view, if asked about your life, speaking of either only in gender neutral terms. I'd be shocked if you could manage for a few hours to do what you demand us to do day in and day out.

While you may want to view marriage as a religious bond, the reality is that it is a civil right. The government offers legal rights, benefits and protections to married couples not available to those who simply live together. While your particular church may not recognize a same sex couple as married, that really doesn't matter, what is important is that the state and federal government grant those same rights, benefits and protections to committed same sex couples that they do to opposite sex couples. If you somehow feel that the "sanctity" of your marriage or future marriage is somehow threatened by same sex couples having the same CIVIL rights as you do, I can't even feel sorry for you, because you are simply trying to make your marital problems ours and that isn't going to fly.

If we really are all created equal and entitled to the same rights, tell me why you're so willing to deny us the same rights you have, other than you happen to find the notion of gay sex "icky", because I'd really love to hear a rational explanation for that which doesn't rely on an obsession with sex or a blaming of God and the Bible to deny us the same rights which you so obviously take for granted...

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#7 Oct 12, 2009
Pomona Thug wrote:
(nothing worth repeating)
Oh the "bravery" that comes out with the anonymity offered by the internet. So why is it that I get the feeling that the realty of the so-called "Pomona Thug" is far different than what he portrays here? I'm seeing a scared little man/boy who if he ever found the testicular fortitude (which seems completely unlikely) to try such a "gay-bashing" he'd more likely end up the battered and bruised loser in such an encounter. If anyone's lifestyle really ought to be closeted, it would be that of wannabes but never wills calling for violence that they will never be man enough to carry out themselves...
Nene

Fontana, CA

#9 Oct 12, 2009
Sarcastic wrote:
How 'bout that un-biased reporting by the AP? Yeah, right. I like how they only report one side of this debate. The AP is garbage. They wrote this article as if gays are terribly oppressed. Society has come to accept gays quicker than any other civil rights movement in the past. Yet gays won't stop. What do they want? They already have the same rights as any other individual in the USA. It's not like they are not allowed to use the same restrooms as everyone else, or as if they are forced to sit on the back of the bus. I guess they just want to force everyone to like and accept their way of life. People are entited to disagree and you can't force people to like something.
Why drop don't ask don't tell? In the military they use community showers. Would it be right for a straight man to take a shower in the women's shower? Absolutely not. At the same time it should not be acceptable for an openly gay person to take showers with straight personnel. If I was in the position of being subjected to that I certainly would not want someone in the shower looking at me sexually. I would feel that my rights would be taken away from me. But I won't hold my breath on the ACLU defending that position. One should be in the military to serve their country not to be openly gay and openly check out their fellow soldiers.
It's best everywhere in society for everyone to keep their sexual orientation as private as possible. Keep that at home. Why would you want to make people feel uncomfortable? Is it okay to infringe on the rights of straight people? I think many gays would answer yes to this question.
As for marriage, I don't understand why gays want to marry. Marriage is a religious bond between a man and a woman. Gays tend to (99 to 1) not be religious. Gays are fully entitled to civil unions with the same rights as a man and woman have with a marriage, but to me it seems that gays just want to destroy the sanctity of marriage. Why must they have that one word? Are straight people not allowed to have anything of their own? I feel gays are disgracefully oppressing the rights of straight people
Who will stand up and defend the rights of straight people? All individuals are created equal and are entitled to have basic human rights and be free from discrimination, but one group of people should not be allowed to destroy another's traditions.
THANK YOU!! Churches are growing here in Southern California in enormous preportions, we are now being called "The Southern California Bible Belt" as reported in the LA Times on Sunday 10/11/09!!
Jill R

United States

#10 Oct 12, 2009
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>While you may want to view marriage as a religious bond, the reality is that it is a civil right.
Sorry, marriage is NOT a " civil right". If it was, there'd be no arguments before courts of law.
Nene

Fontana, CA

#11 Oct 12, 2009
For real wrote:
It looked like they were prancing more than they were marching.
hahaha.
Sarcastic

United States

#12 Oct 12, 2009
Mayblitz wrote:
"Gays tend to (99 to 1) not be religious."?? And that is based on what evidence exactly? Quick reminder; this is America, not some Taliban ruled country. Marriage is NOT a solely religious union . It can be only if the couple chooses it to be. Plenty of straight agnostics and atheists also marry - and not in churches.(So why don't you religious zealots persecute them too? oh wait, you do. Never mind). So please stop using the bible to justify your hatred...The rights of straight people? God, how laughable! Yeah, gay people want to destroy all those marriages that frequently end up in divorce anyway. NEWS ALERT: Straight people are a bigger threat to straight marriages than gay people...and, SHOCKER: Gay people already serve (and YES, shower!)in the military. Get over yourselves. You are probably not that hot anyway so don't worry...
Liberals (Mayblitz) can't control their emotions, it's best just to ignore them. Everybody who disagrees with them is always labeled extreme or a zealot. Yeah, after I leave work I get on my horse with my rifle and chewin' tobacki and I tell my wife to make me some supper. Mayblitz, take a chill pill.

Anyway, Mayblitz what do you believe the figure is if it's not 99 to 1? Do you honestly think most gays are religious? You are laughable. Since all major religions don't accept homosexuality, and since gays don't accept those who don't accept them, I find it highly unlikely that gays are religious.

I am not a religious zealot, in fact I rarely attend church, but I am reasonable enough to understand not to destroy their traditions. When people get married, regardless whether or not they themselves are religious, they are honoring a religious tradition, and most of them don't even know it.

I like how you mock the "rights of straight people". You have a Nazi like mentality, you don't believe straight people have rights so you laugh at it. Your ideology and the gay ideology ignores the right of straight people to have tradition, and that is unsettling. Look, people don't care about gays anymore, they're all out of the closet now and society accepts them. What is so important to you about the word "Marriage"? Why must you have it?

Gays have never faced the true violence and hatred that blacks had to face when they fought for their civil rights. There are isolated cases of violence against gays, but violence happens to all types of individuals. In fact, Hollywood loves to glamorize homosexuality. There are numerous shows that are about gay characters. Gays have always had civil rights, they just like to have parades where they can get naked in the streets.

Ummm...and I know gays serve in the military, they just don't serve openly now. Let me tell you something, I'm pretty sure that nobody in this country wants a military full of people like Bruno! Whassup!
Mayblitz

Murrieta, CA

#13 Oct 12, 2009
Let these gays marry and straights have no choice but to divorce in record numbers (oh, wait we already do that!)..! God, religious based bigotry is so gay.

Since: Mar 08

Austin, TX

#14 Oct 12, 2009
Sarcastic wrote:
How 'bout that un-biased reporting by the AP? Yeah, right. I like how they only report one side of this debate. The AP is garbage. They wrote this article as if gays are terribly oppressed. Society has come to accept gays quicker than any other civil rights movement in the past. Yet gays won't stop. What do they want? They already have the same rights as any other individual in the USA. It's not like they are not allowed to use the same restrooms as everyone else, or as if they are forced to sit on the back of the bus. I guess they just want to force everyone to like and accept their way of life. People are entited to disagree and you can't force people to like something.
Why drop don't ask don't tell? In the military they use community showers. Would it be right for a straight man to take a shower in the women's shower? Absolutely not. At the same time it should not be acceptable for an openly gay person to take showers with straight personnel. If I was in the position of being subjected to that I certainly would not want someone in the shower looking at me sexually. I would feel that my rights would be taken away from me. But I won't hold my breath on the ACLU defending that position. One should be in the military to serve their country not to be openly gay and openly check out their fellow soldiers.
It's best everywhere in society for everyone to keep their sexual orientation as private as possible. Keep that at home. Why would you want to make people feel uncomfortable? Is it okay to infringe on the rights of straight people? I think many gays would answer yes to this question.
As for marriage, I don't understand why gays want to marry. Marriage is a religious bond between a man and a woman. Gays tend to (99 to 1) not be religious. Gays are fully entitled to civil unions with the same rights as a man and woman have with a marriage, but to me it seems that gays just want to destroy the sanctity of marriage. Why must they have that one word? Are straight people not allowed to have anything of their own? I feel gays are disgracefully oppressing the rights of straight people
Who will stand up and defend the rights of straight people? All individuals are created equal and are entitled to have basic human rights and be free from discrimination, but one group of people should not be allowed to destroy another's traditions.
Whether it makes you feel uncomfortable or not, it really doesn't matter. The glbt community is here to stay, so you'll just have to learn to live with it.

Since: Mar 08

Austin, TX

#15 Oct 12, 2009
Jill R wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, marriage is NOT a " civil right". If it was, there'd be no arguments before courts of law.
Interesting that even the United States Supreme Court has said that marriage is indeed a civil right. Learn the facts, and you won't sound so ignorant. Better luck next time.

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#16 Oct 12, 2009
Nene wrote:
<quoted text>
THANK YOU!! Churches are growing here in Southern California in enormous preportions, we are now being called "The Southern California Bible Belt" as reported in the LA Times on Sunday 10/11/09!!
WhatEVer and big yawn.

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#17 Oct 12, 2009
Sarcastic wrote:
<quoted text>

*** snipped ***
Gays have never faced the true violence and hatred that blacks had to face when they fought for their civil rights. There are isolated cases of violence against gays, but violence happens to all types of individuals.
Really? You think that is true? Ignorance is no excuse.

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#18 Oct 12, 2009
I was in the march and there were hundreds of thousands of us. A mere pitance of us in this country.

There were several signs and chants that I thought were both poignant and humerous.

My favorite 3 signs were:
1) Who do you think designs YOUR wedding dress?

2) Gays: Making the United States of America FABULOUS since 1776!

3) Held by a bi-racial couple: OUR marriage used to be illegal too.

My favorite chant:

We're here
We're Queer
We're Fabulous
Don't f u c k with us!

Since: Mar 08

Austin, TX

#20 Oct 12, 2009
Miyamoto Musashi wrote:
The continued claim and attention to the claim, that queers are denied rights, is simply a manufactured claim to continue their exhibitionism. The same extremism was on the streets in pre-Hitler Germany. After Hitler came to power, the radical queers were re-educated, or interned and the reasonable queers went on with their lives. Let us hope that the extremist, exhibitionist queers don't drive America to the same reaction. Aren't they satisfied that their perverse activities are overlooked in their common relationship with still illegal activities?
Only a bigot like you would compare America with Nazi Germany. Your empty threats show clearly you are desparate and losing. The only threat to America is bigots like you. Silly homophobe.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#22 Oct 12, 2009
Jill R wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, marriage is NOT a " civil right". If it was, there'd be no arguments before courts of law.
Actually, although an expansion of the right to marry hasn't yet been won by same sex couples, a right to marry has been seen by the courts of this country for more than a century. The Supreme Court case of Loving v Virginia, which in the 1960s struck down the last of the state laws and state constitutional amendments barring miscegenation (interracial marriages) called marriage a fundamental right of a free people under the 9th Amendment to the Bill of Rights. A right to marriage has been won for same sex couples under the Constitutions of the states of Iowa, Connecticut, Massachusetts and California (which affirmed it as an equality to marriage in the case upholding Prop 8) and a right to an equality marriage in New Jersey, Hawaii (whose legislature backtracked on that finding) and Vermont (where the legislature has since expanded that as a right to marriage).
Jill R

United States

#24 Oct 12, 2009
Patrick in Texas wrote:
<quoted text>
Interesting that even the United States Supreme Court has said that marriage is indeed a civil right. Learn the facts, and you won't sound so ignorant. Better luck next time.
Where is it written into law that marriage is a right? Marriage is not in the Constitution.

Answer the original question. If marriage is a right, why the legal battles?

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#26 Oct 12, 2009
Sarcastic wrote:
(see post #12)
You claim that it is liberals who cannot control their emotions, but it is you who are engaged in arguments that I showed had no real basis in fact but only in irrational emotions such as fear, hate and intolerance. Why else would you choose not to respond to my post which laid out a rational and fact based rebuttal of everything you claimed in your first post?

As far as gays and religion goes, your estimation is so completely off-base that it isn't even funny. A recent survey done by an Evangelical Christian pollster found that 60% of the 9,000 Lesbians and Gays surveyed identified themselves as Christian and 70% said that their faith was very important to them:
http://www.barna.org/barna-update/article/13-...

While the "major religions" often denounce homosexuality as part of their faith, it is not a belief that is universal to ANY faith. Lesbians and Gays have found a place for themselves in all of the world's religions and while the beliefs accepting them as they were created to be isn't yet mainstream, all religions have evolved over time and this is one area where they continue to evolve.

While you claim that the person you were responding to in your post was "mocking straight rights" (which I really didn't see, but I'll leave your opinion out of this), what you should realize is that the rights which are denied to us on the basis of sexual orientation also can be denied to you. Just as there is no federal guarantee of rights and only limited guarantee of rights in the states, you too could face the same kind of legal discrimination of signs on restrooms saying no straights allowed or directing you to the back of the bus.

While the LGBT community has not faced the same degree of violence that has plagued the African American people of this country, violence directed against us has and still does in fact occur and not only that, only up until the last few years, we were branded as criminals and mentally ill for simply being who we are and that kind of official violence the African Americans of this country never had to face.

You keep claiming that we have civil rights, but in order to so you completely have to ignore the reality of what it really means to live as someone who is gay in this country...

Since: Mar 08

Austin, TX

#28 Oct 12, 2009
Jill R wrote:
<quoted text>
Where is it written into law that marriage is a right? Marriage is not in the Constitution.
Answer the original question. If marriage is a right, why the legal battles?
You can complain all you want, but the fact is various courts have already concluded that marriage is a civil right. Why the legal battles? Because that is where we right wrongs in our country. After all, interracial marriage only became legal in the 50 United States after lengthy court battles. Why did you think it would be any different for the glbt community?

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