No more OCC!!
bigbo44

Brighton, MI

#42 Feb 20, 2011
Billy wrote:
I think Jason Pohl is the biggest kiss-ass I have ever seen. Someone needs to just kick his ass.
Amen brother!!

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#44 Feb 23, 2011
Dude again I feel the exact same way. I can not agree withyou more. I do not love sr and I see that jr is just not what he thinks he is. Like a lot of posters here are so sure that jr is the next coming of Jesus Christ. I just see it differently is all it is.

So Chopperman wether you agree with me or not I do support your posts. I realize ome of mine are out there a little bit it is just to push some buttons on one of the posters and all of his alter logons. He is just so easy to piss off. I can see him all red faced and veins popping out on his face and neck. He is soo easy to stir up. I do not even watch it any more so anything I say is just conjecture.
choppman68 wrote:
After reading everyones post and many opi
nions on the general topic of whos to blame in all of this, either SR or JR, it looks to me that the majority of those who post on here are totally on JR's side with everything that has gone on over the years. Im sorry, I just dont see it as being all SR's fault. I think if you go back and REALLY watch some of the old episodes, and then watch the entirety of season 6,( the season JR gets fired, and Mikey leaves, I just dont see it as being all on SR. Yes, SR DEFINATLEY has his problems. there is no need for his yelling and screaming, He DOES have a big ego, But, the thing is, after watching this last season ( JR vs SR ) it should be obvious to most, that JR and SR are real close to being EXACTLY alike. They are both control freaks and egomaniacs. BUT the big difference between JR and SR is this, JR has always expected things to be handed to him, and especially Mikey. I used to think Mikkey was a decent guy who really didnt care alot about money, but after watching season 6 and the way he reacted when his contract wasnt renewed, really changed my opinion of Mikey. Hes the laziest person i have ever seen bar none. And trust me Ive worked around many lazy people. I dont blame OCC for not renewing his contract, the last year that he was under contract, he took 5 weeks paid vacation, missed 67 days of work, and was late on the days he did actually show up. And his start time was 9 am instead of 7 am when the rest of the employees were to start work. Then he says on camera, that BECAUSE hes the son, that it IS his fathers responsibility to take care of him! Hes 30 years old and has never worked for anyone but his father. Im sorry but I cant blame OCC or SR for not continuing to hand him a big paycheck simply because hes the owners son. Both JR and Mikey were given the opportunity to be more involved in the company and to learn the buisiness and be a big part of it, but neither of them were willing to invest a dime of their own money in the company, they wanted it all handed to them, and I just dont believe in handing people things that they wont work for. SR is an asshole no 2 ways about it, but the whole family breakup and the drama that has went on isnt ALL on his shoulders. what IS all on his shoulders is the fact that he spoiled those 2 for far to many years and now neither one of them can figure out how to proceed in life as their own men. Yes JR has a bike shop now, but i would be willing to bet that if the show gets canceled, JR's bike buisiness will be no more. Hell OCC may go down as well. All i ask is all the SR haters really look at the FACTS of what has went on and then see if you can really say its all the old man, cuz its not

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#45 Feb 23, 2011
I want to apologise to all who feel my posts have wandered from the topic.
It is one of those things that when I started I was making my comments as I saw fit. then one of the posters started harrassing my posts s istarted to do the same back. Only I was laughing, and he was seriously angry.
I do apologise for the distraction. I relly was hoping for some comedic relief. But we all know how that goes. If there is no sence of humor then there is no comedic relief.

I posted before that I do not care for either of them so much but I think sr is not a bad as jr. I have posted my reasons. I really does not mater to me at all. I have stopped watching the show. If we keep watching it then they will keep renewing it and they will stilll have that obscene amount of money given to hem for being what they are,( That is ignorant people ) So ya all can keep supporting them I will not asi do not think they deserve the many $100,000.00 they each recievefor each episode or even season.

If they really want to have a show reality show then they should telelvise all of us that are trying to make this thread / Blog work. I thinthat would be funny. To watch lug Nut, or MoPhart Nut get all steamedup and blow hisgasket when reading these.( Although I am not sure retarded people should make that much money ) But it would be funny to watch wing Nut create his alter egos and deny that he does that.
Chopperman and many other regular posters chould be a part of a very funny show.

So Back to this post. I am sorry for the distraction from the real forum. I am stopping the harrassment, and as I do nto watch the show I will not have much to add.

So all of you jr lovers youcan go wild and have at it.
mopar nut

Rochester, NY

#46 Feb 23, 2011
Dude just do a favor and shut your soup cooler. Oh yes and my face is so red, give me a break , you are such a goof I am surprised you were allowed to survive birth. You just keep being delusional and think you get to me if it makes you feel better. But you should really save your breath for your date tonight....figure it out. seriously angry.....LOL, LMAO ROFL.....I have been laughing my azz off every time you post, you are a sucker and fall for every little word that gets slung at you, grow up little girl and grow a pair, that is if you have them.

Ok BYE BYE now

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#47 Feb 24, 2011
Quote Much - Little Gurl...... I know you are what am I??
mopar nut wrote:
Dude just do a favor and shut your soup cooler. Oh yes and my face is so red, give me a break , you are such a goof I am surprised you were allowed to survive birth. You just keep being delusional and think you get to me if it makes you feel better. But you should really save your breath for your date tonight....figure it out. seriously angry.....LOL, LMAO ROFL.....I have been laughing my azz off every time you post, you are a sucker and fall for every little word that gets slung at you, grow up little girl and grow a pair, that is if you have them.
Ok BYE BYE now
sue

Oneonta, NY

#48 Feb 27, 2011
Kinger wrote:
The show is about to " jump the shark". It has become crystal clear that the show will not survive with the the division of the family. I feel like everyone has to take a bit of the blame and go back to building bikes and breaking balls.
Paul,jr will be back in the spring,i saw this on discovery channel.
mopar nut

Rochester, NY

#49 Mar 1, 2011
ha ha on one thread you cry, whine and apologize and state that you aren't a hateful person or won't sling names etc, then you come to this thread and do just that. Your such a hypocrite. Move along before you lose that last brain cell your trying to hold on to.

Since: Feb 11

Lawrenceburg, KY

#50 Mar 10, 2011
I DVR the show and fast forward through the OCC portions.

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#51 Mar 10, 2011
I do the same, or did I pretty much stopped watching this season
I will watch again next season to see if it improves.

This is the only way I can watch it...
Big_r681 wrote:
I DVR the show and fast forward through the OCC portions.
oz man

United States

#52 Mar 11, 2011
hmm ever wonder how many bike were sold to real bikers,and are they still on the road ?if so whats holding them together.Duct tape maybe?
kevin atkins

United States

#53 Mar 14, 2011
I have watched american chopper since it started,it was the best reality so i ever seen. it really breaks my heart to see it go. but after the boys and their father went sperate ways it was time to call it quits.you are all right sr does bitch about paulie every chanch he gets. i think he should realize that if it wasnt for paulie and mikey no body would even know wwhat the hell orange county choppers was.that show was what put them on the map and paulie and mikey are the only reason it ever got picked up in the first place.And that is all there is to it. sr you are the biggest cry baby i have ever seen in my 54 years.
kevin atkins

United States

#54 Mar 14, 2011
LETS TALK ABOUT JASON POHL he has got to be the biggest idiot i have ever seen granted he is smart with a computer and has pretty good ideas when it comes to design but he has no clue that he is o0nly at occ because the olds man needs him once sr finds someone else he will be gone just like srs family. and jason is a great ass kissing,stupid looking and goofy sob.
choppman68

Catskill, NY

#55 Mar 14, 2011
oz man wrote:
hmm ever wonder how many bike were sold to real bikers,and are they still on the road ?if so whats holding them together.Duct tape maybe?
Oz, I dont know how many real bikers actually bought bikes from them , But I can say that through the bike communitty Im involved in, I have been told by multiple shop owners through the easr coast and the south, is this, OCC wont stand behind their bikes, their warranty;s they have are terrible, From what I've heard, their M.O. has been this, when they get a potential customer in one of their dealer networks, the sales people asses the potential customers K NOWLEDGE of bikes, when they have a novice on the hook, especially a novice biker with shaky credit, they finance a 40 or 50 thousand dollar bike to them as long as they have 15 to 20% down, and then the warranty the give on these overpriced bikes is SO BAD most convential banks wont loan money on them so they uas their own financing. Its some SHADY dealings, I suspect thats ONE reason JR hasnt sold a bike to an actual customer yet, its the simple fact that the bikes have always been JUNK, UNLESS of course you want a bike that you dont plan on actually riding much

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#56 Mar 14, 2011
I have wondered that one myself. I know Jesse James has a big Actor / Celebrety clientel (I know it is miss spelled - I have a head ache). So Jesse must be doing something right. While I see OCC to only have business buy thier bikes for Corporate auctions for charity et al. But I looks like the bikes they build are only a one of a kind ( And we all know this ) They do not seem to have
a winning plan for the base bike and it seems like all of the problems would be a one of a kind type of problem. Case in point. When jr builtone of his bikes the spacer was off on one side of the rear wheel. They had to special make a spacer for the left side. So if this bike is ever taken apart and the spacer get mixed up or lost they will have a heck of a time putting it back together. Also on one of them didnt they need a press or something to put the rear wheel on the bike? It seems that what they did if that wheel ever came off would never be able to be replaced. It was a joke to see how they did that wheel.

My point is that OCC's bikes are all special made that they should have a warranty cuz they are all made differently. Not every bike mechanic could work on it.
oz man wrote:
hmm ever wonder how many bike were sold to real bikers,and are they still on the road ?if so whats holding them together.Duct tape maybe?
killar

United States

#57 Mar 21, 2011
No more OCC! That will be great! Their bikes SUCK.. Rick can work for Paulie free of all the BS and Stress that goes on at occ and all of those SUCK A$$ LOSERS who claim to be bike builders. Not one of them know hoe to build a bike without someones help. They have to hold each others hands just to take a wiz.

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#58 Mar 21, 2011
and Yet another laid back Californian....
So you are saying that PJD Can build a bike from scratch? Is that what you are saying?
Then why do they order all of the parts from a catalog? Howcome no one there can build a tank or fender? Remember they bring in others to do thae sheet metal work right? While OCC can and has done it all.
killar wrote:
No more OCC! That will be great! Their bikes SUCK.. Rick can work for Paulie free of all the BS and Stress that goes on at occ and all of those SUCK A$$ LOSERS who claim to be bike builders. Not one of them know hoe to build a bike without someones help. They have to hold each others hands just to take a wiz.
choppman68

Hill, NH

#59 Mar 23, 2011
Saddletramp wrote:
I have wondered that one myself. I know Jesse James has a big Actor / Celebrety clientel (I know it is miss spelled - I have a head ache). So Jesse must be doing something right. While I see OCC to only have business buy thier bikes for Corporate auctions for charity et al. But I looks like the bikes they build are only a one of a kind ( And we all know this ) They do not seem to have
a winning plan for the base bike and it seems like all of the problems would be a one of a kind type of problem. Case in point. When jr builtone of his bikes the spacer was off on one side of the rear wheel. They had to special make a spacer for the left side. So if this bike is ever taken apart and the spacer get mixed up or lost they will have a heck of a time putting it back together. Also on one of them didnt they need a press or something to put the rear wheel on the bike? It seems that what they did if that wheel ever came off would never be able to be replaced. It was a joke to see how they did that wheel.
My point is that OCC's bikes are all special made that they should have a warranty cuz they are all made differently. Not every bike mechanic could work on it.
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Also Saddle, do you remember i believe it was the Snap On bike were they made the battery box to small and instead of fixing it JR had Cody STAND on the battery to force it into the battery box? I was SHOCKED, first of all, I couldnt believe they didnt fix the problem, second off, what does that say about the quality control on the bikes JR "created"? I mean if JR was willing to take that kind of shortcut on a bike that OCC was going to charge a couple hundred thousand dollars for, what would make a customer think that a one of their production bikes wouldnt have many shortcuts on them? I was AMAZED that they even allowed that to be shown on tv. If I was Snap On, I wouldve told them to fix it or they werent getting paid for the bike, because Snap On tools are the best quality, most user friendly tools on the market and if I were Snap On, I wouldnt want my company name on something with so little attention to detail and quality. Also, When JR had his toolbox, LOL ( if thats what you want to call it ) delivered to his house after he left OCC, It was a basic, entry level 300$ Craftsman toolbox, Now, there isnt anything wrong with Craftsman tools, I have alot of Craftsman Tools myself, BUT if you make your living everyday with tools, the vast majority of mechanics are going to buy Snap On , or Mac etc. be cause quite simply they are the best most durable and usable tools on the market, yet JR has a set of tools that would embarass even a shade tree mechanic. I know that may sound petty, but, I believe that is an example of the lack of commitment he has ALWAYS had for his craft. Of course it also speaks to the fact that you dont need the best tools if you have everyone else actually doing the work for you like JR always did
Fed up

Bronx, NY

#60 Mar 23, 2011
Chop, can you or Saddlesore point me to a quality piece of fabrication that Paul Sr. was responsible for from the series? Anything?

Maybe that "over-engineered" A-frame him and Mikey built to haul up the flowjet into the new building... that the real engineers basically laughed at?

Anything, anything at all? I am not saying Jr. is the be all and end all of fabrication, he is not, but Sr. started this business so you would think there would be something other than making phone calls after looking through a catalog he could do.

This show really isn't about the fabrication anyway.
choppman68

Schenectady, NY

#61 Mar 23, 2011
Yes Fed up, you are absolutely right, Sr's fabrication skills are not much better than JR's, Ive seen episodes were SR also took shortcuts on some of the bikes he's involved in. And again you are right, that A-Frame they built to hoist a 26 ton press was a joke, if they had tried to use that it wouldve been a disaster. As far as SR not being a fabricator, And yes, I realize that SR has a big ego as well but, I can honestly say that Ive never heard him claim to be a fabricator, ive never heard him say that he was the most creative, or a designer or anything like that. What I will say is this, as far as overall knowledge of bikes, from the mechanical end of it on up, he DOES know more than JR. SR can work on bikes and he can fix a bike. JR cant. And when SR started the Bike buisiness, it was supposed to be a hobby because he loved tinkering with them. But, SR doesnt have the start to finish skills that the truly world class builders have. WHen the show took off and became so popular, up until well after Rick was hired on, JR did the same thing, he ordered nearly everything for the bikes out of a cataloge, basically even back then, he would get an idea, then call whatever vendors he wanted to use, described to them what he wanted, gave then some measurements and waited for the parts to be made, and delivered so he could bolt them on then claim the work for himself.
As for your comment that the show isnt about the fabrication, I guess that would depend on the viewer. If you are talking about the average fan or the novice bike enthusiast, your right, those viewrs probably could care less about the fabrication, or how the bikes were made and put together, all they are interested in is the fighting and the drama, and to a lesser extent how the bikes look in the end. However for those of us who actually ride, and have more than a passing knowledge about bikes, and metal work, for us, the fabrication from the frame to the tank, to the oil pan is of interest to us. If you want to see builder who is incredibly talented, and can do it all from, build the frame,tanks,fenders exhaust, and all the way down to painting the bike, check out Joe Martin of the Martin Bros. His particular style of bike is a bit radical for my taste, but the guy is right up there with Indian Larry, Eddie Trotta, or anyone that you could come up with. But when I see OCC and BOTH the Teutels, and you compare their skill level to these other guys, it would be like comparing brain surgeons to ditch diggers. There just isnt any compairison, thats why I get so fired up when I hear EITHER JR or SR toot their own horn about how great they are. But, I think even you would admit that JR realloy believes hes on the same level as the truly great builders and the fact is hes simply not even close to having the skills. And honestly, ive seen some bikes built by totally unknown shops that blow away anything JR or SR have ever been involved with.
And I ask you in all seriousness, do you think if it wasnt for the T.V. show that any of us would have ever heard of OCC or the Teutels? I would go as far as to say that if it wasnt for the fights and reality T.V., OCC and the Teutels would still be assembling bikes in the back of the steel shop how they started, or quite likely, not even still be building bikes, because NEITHER one of them has the talent or the skill to be were they are today.
jipjob

Bremerton, WA

#62 Mar 26, 2011
Mickey is the best builder of them all only thing wrong is he won't come out of the closet.

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