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There are 12 comments on the Zap2it.com story from Aug 25, 2009, titled TV ratings: Comedy carries CBS again Monday - 'Two and a Half M.... In it, Zap2it.com reports that:

Fast National ratings for Monday, Aug. 24, 2009 CBS cruised to a ratings win Monday thanks again to the comedy duo of "Two and a Half Men" and "The Big Bang Theory." The Eye averaged 7.2 million viewers and a 4.7 rating/8 share in households for the night, beating second-place NBC by better than 2 million viewers.

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Rena Moretti

El Segundo, CA

#1 Aug 25, 2009
Is this a new all-time low for a Gossip Girl re-run?

But fear not, it will still be mentioned prominently as a "returning favorite" by the press... ;)

Castle's re-run numbers must also not fill ABC with confidence in its questionable decision to bring Castle back.
EDell

Laval, Canada

#2 Aug 25, 2009
Rena Moretti wrote:
Castle's re-run numbers must also not fill ABC with confidence in its questionable decision to bring Castle back.
Castle will do okay once Dancing with the Stars returns as its lead-in.
Aaron R

Decatur, IL

#3 Aug 25, 2009
And besides, Castle is a harmless little show that doesn't purport to be anything other than a semi-charming take on every other mystery show that's been on the past forty-some years. At least ABC isn't hyping it as "the highest-rated dramedy mystery series of the last 25 years" the way NBC would if they had it. Oh, wait the demo for Castle is for women ages 32-60, so NBC probably doesn't know it exists, my bad.
Rena Moretti

El Segundo, CA

#4 Aug 25, 2009
EDell wrote:
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Castle will do okay once Dancing with the Stars returns as its lead-in.
Granted, but wouldn't ABC love to have something that does great instead? After all, just about anything would do OK after Dancing With The Stars.
Rena Moretti

El Segundo, CA

#5 Aug 25, 2009
Aaron R wrote:
And besides, Castle is a harmless little show that doesn't purport to be anything other than a semi-charming take on every other mystery show that's been on the past forty-some years. At least ABC isn't hyping it as "the highest-rated dramedy mystery series of the last 25 years" the way NBC would if they had it. Oh, wait the demo for Castle is for women ages 32-60, so NBC probably doesn't know it exists, my bad.
Funny.:) And I do agree that it's refreshing ABC isn't trying to sell it for something it's not.:)

Speaking of hyping (and misleading) ratings, I guessed wrong as to what SeeFee did in its self-celebratory PR release of the renewal of Warehouse 13. It did not add up all airings of the show, instead it gave an average for the show consisting of... the premiere and the premiere only.

The show is actually doing well... for SeeFee, which means it rose all the way to disappointing ratings.

The thing I still can't get over is that they actually admitted that Galactica had poor ratings and nobody even noticed among the "it's doing even better than Galactica" wording.

It's actually quite amazing how most entertainment journalists seem to check their brains at the door when they enter the editorial rooms... ;)
Alan 59

Schenectady, NY

#6 Aug 25, 2009
Rena Moretti wrote:
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Granted, but wouldn't ABC love to have something that does great instead? After all, just about anything would do OK after Dancing With The Stars.
I'm sure they would, but if they had one, I think that they'd park it on Thursdays at 8:00. No matter how well "FlashForward" performs, it's a terrible lead-in for "Grey's Anatomy."

Besides, Steve is still determined to have his own procedural, and maybe "Castle" will find some legs and go the distance for him. May I suggest some spots aimed at the disaffected former viewers of "CSI: Miami?"
EDell

Laval, Canada

#7 Aug 25, 2009
Rena Moretti wrote:
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Granted, but wouldn't ABC love to have something that does great instead? After all, just about anything would do OK after Dancing With The Stars.
They probably would, but just as with FOX and its American Idol, it's almost impossible for ABC to find something that would do great after Dancing. Idol and Dancing are the kind of shows that are hits in and of themselves, but that often don't generate any hits of shows that air after them, their viewers just don't seem to stick around. Certainly none of the new shows on ABC (Cupid, Eli Stone, Help Me Help You, Samantha Who) did that great in the post-Dancing slot. Samantha Who scored well after Dancing, but it showed its inherent weakness once Dancing went into hiatus and when Who was shifted to other time slots pulling in near-invisible numbers. The only shows to do well, if not great, after Dancing were ABC's older shows like The Bachelor and Boston Legal. Castle may not be the great hit ABC is looking for, but following Dancing it does pull in decent numbers and seems to have a femme demo appeal that's compatible with Dancing. It'd be interesting to see if ABC can get any ratings traction out of The Forgotten on Tuesdays after Dancing. My guess is that while it doesn't appear to be femme demo compatible with Dancing, it nevertheless should do ok, thanks to CBS airing the new Good Wife series at 10, which you never know how it'll turn out, and NBC's Leno Show, which no doubt will draw in only maybe half the numbers that Law & Order: SVU had in that time slot. Actually, Good Wife might have the winning edge since that would seem to be the show ABC could've used itself after Dancing and it will be helped by both its own NCIS LA lead-in as well as viewers crossing over from the end of Dancing to Good Wife, despite what is likely to be Dancing spilling its run-over time to 10:01 or 10:02 pm.
Rena Moretti

El Segundo, CA

#8 Aug 25, 2009
Alan 59 wrote:
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I'm sure they would, but if they had one, I think that they'd park it on Thursdays at 8:00. No matter how well "FlashForward" performs, it's a terrible lead-in for "Grey's Anatomy."
Besides, Steve is still determined to have his own procedural, and maybe "Castle" will find some legs and go the distance for him. May I suggest some spots aimed at the disaffected former viewers of "CSI: Miami?"
Thursday at 8 would be a good place to put a hit show.

Actually, come to think of it, if I were Les Moonves, I think I'd have moved The Mentalist there to anchor the night.
Aaron R

Decatur, IL

#9 Aug 26, 2009
Maybe when CSI finally starts its slow slide downward in the ratings, as all long-running shows eventually do, CBS will do exactly that. The second season jinx that seems to hit shows these days will be the telling point for The Mentalist, though; I'm a little wary about the way some of the storytelling might be going, which may turn viewers off if they drag it out too long, and if a few guest stars end up ruining the show the way Life was damaged by cast changes.
Rena Moretti

El Segundo, CA

#10 Aug 27, 2009
Aaron R wrote:
Maybe when CSI finally starts its slow slide downward in the ratings, as all long-running shows eventually do, CBS will do exactly that. The second season jinx that seems to hit shows these days will be the telling point for The Mentalist, though; I'm a little wary about the way some of the storytelling might be going, which may turn viewers off if they drag it out too long, and if a few guest stars end up ruining the show the way Life was damaged by cast changes.
I think CSI's slide started 4 years ago at the start of season 5 when they fired their DPs and the show suddenly looked like it was shot underwater! ;)

Seriously, they used to pull 30 million viewers for originals and now they're lucky to get anything over 13!

I'm not sure what you mean by the second season jinx. Unless you means shows like Heroes that were sustained by marketing and ebbed when their audience started to understand the Emperor has no clothes.

As for changing the regular cast, I actually think there's a golden opportunity for The Mentalist as the supporting cast is more of a drag than anything in the first place. Amanda Righetti is as dull as an old knife and would be a great target for replacement. I think the show might get 5 million more viewers if they did that.

We disagree on Life. I personally thought that the cast changes were very good. I dislike the actress that played the old Captain and thought the new actor was a vast improvement. I have a feeling we'd agree on the other changes (such as downplaying the Zen) that NBC insisted on were for the worse (curiously nobody told them to stop using inappropriate music - but then again, use of music is at an all-time low right now) ;(
Aaron R

Decatur, IL

#11 Aug 27, 2009
A lot of shows have sophomore slumps, where the quality of the show remains intact, but the writing sometimes suffers. It's as if the creators can't believe they actually got picked up for a second season, go out and get completely bombed, then remember they have to pump out some new episodes. From a bad experience with Nyquil (which is liquid evil), I can say that attempting to write while your head is not attached to your shoulders is a mite difficult (to which at least one person reading this will think, "So your head is not attached pretty often then, hm?).:P

Seriously, I honestly think shows these days do tend to take a bit of a dive until they re-adjust to their state of being. Unlike Life, which I feel went totally south when they brought on the dickhead who played the new captain (who I've despised in everything I've ever seen him in), most shows will flounder a bit in their second season, then find their footing again. Some shows, of course, don't recover and are gone; most, though, end up sticking around for at least another season or two.

Then, of course, you get the ones that were never good to start with, yet are in their sixth season. No logic at all.
Rena Moretti

El Segundo, CA

#12 Aug 28, 2009
Aaron R wrote:
A lot of shows have sophomore slumps, where the quality of the show remains intact, but the writing sometimes suffers. It's as if the creators can't believe they actually got picked up for a second season, go out and get completely bombed, then remember they have to pump out some new episodes. From a bad experience with Nyquil (which is liquid evil), I can say that attempting to write while your head is not attached to your shoulders is a mite difficult (to which at least one person reading this will think, "So your head is not attached pretty often then, hm?).:P
Seriously, I honestly think shows these days do tend to take a bit of a dive until they re-adjust to their state of being. Unlike Life, which I feel went totally south when they brought on the dickhead who played the new captain (who I've despised in everything I've ever seen him in), most shows will flounder a bit in their second season, then find their footing again. Some shows, of course, don't recover and are gone; most, though, end up sticking around for at least another season or two.
Then, of course, you get the ones that were never good to start with, yet are in their sixth season. No logic at all.
The logic of it is that the networks are a lot more political than they've ever been and the "right" people with the "right" connections ([cough] Seth MacFarlane [cough]) get shows picked up no matter what the ratings are.

I do agree in general that shows have a limited creative lifespan which depends on how the premise for the show got crafted.

Some shows can last almost forever (as Law and Order where you can even have lead characters leave) and some shows, as we've discussed before, are really miniseries and die as soon as the writers try to extend the concept.

Another factor that may be at issue is that the creator(s) has usually lived with his or her creation for a long time before the series goes into production and would have a lot of good ideas that fit within the series concept easily. The second season is when you start to have to come up with things with a lot less reflection (this also militates against picking up every latest half-baked idea of someone like Rob Thomas!) ;)

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