Korean War's Kapyong should rank among great Canadian battles: filmmaker

Nov 9, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Canada.com

Canadian soldiers in the Korean War. Canadian troops won a pivotal victory in a 1951 battle against a massive Chinese invasion force.

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Who "planned" the Arsie withdrawal? Why weren't the Canadians withdrawn and the Arsies left to fight?
It seems from Gallipoli right to Vietnam the arsies have had a history of withdrawing!
Oh geez dude, give it a rest. The Aussies were the first battalion the Chinese hit and the Aussies kicked their fucking asses. But as the Chinese kept pouring in, there was a real concern that the Aussie position would be overrun. Like the Canadians, the Aussies had one understrength battalion in the fight against an entire Chinese division. It's estimated that the Aussies killed 500 Chinese before their battle was over.

Keep in mind that both the Aussies and Canadians in the forward positions were only in company strenght. The Aussie withdrawl wasn't to take them out of the fight but to link up with the rest of their battalion in better defensive positions.
The battle wasn't about sending the Chinese back where they came from, it was about giving the rest of the UN forces time to reform and rejoin the fight after they had been routed.

Maybe you should read up about it instead of forming your opinions based on your personal dislike of Australians.

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<quoted text>Oh geez dude, give it a rest. The Aussies were the first battalion the Chinese hit and the Aussies kicked their fucking asses. But as the Chinese kept pouring in, there was a real concern that the Aussie position would be overrun. Like the Canadians, the Aussies had one understrength battalion in the fight against an entire Chinese division. It's estimated that the Aussies killed 500 Chinese before their battle was over.

Keep in mind that both the Aussies and Canadians in the forward positions were only in company strenght. The Aussie withdrawl wasn't to take them out of the fight but to link up with the rest of their battalion in better defensive positions.
The battle wasn't about sending the Chinese back where they came from, it was about giving the rest of the UN forces time to reform and rejoin the fight after they had been routed.

Maybe you should read up about it instead of forming your opinions based on your personal dislike of Australians.
I have got a friend who was in the Kapyong battle. I was over at his house on Saturday an asked him a bit about it. He said they were advancing at 200 (I think he said miles) a day until they got to the Yangtze River. He said there was a huge mass of Chinese soldiers on the other side looking back over. After the Chinese got the order, they were retreating at 300 (miles?) a day. Finally they caught up with I think the poms and yanks and killed a crap load of the Chinese.
He said what he respected the Chinese the most for was their ability to use their men to get their stuff over even the highest mountains whereas our men couldn't do that.
What he hated most was a Chinese attack right before the armistice. He said the Chinese wanted to take one mountain but it resulted in a ridiculous amount of Chinese deaths but not so many on our side.
I also asked him about Chinese military tactics. He said they just threw ridiculous numbers into battle and were prepared to wear big losses.

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I have got a friend who was in the Kapyong battle. I was over at his house on Saturday an asked him a bit about it. He said they were advancing at 200 (I think he said miles) a day until they got to the Yangtze River. He said there was a huge mass of Chinese soldiers on the other side looking back over. After the Chinese got the order, they were retreating at 300 (miles?) a day. Finally they caught up with I think the poms and yanks and killed a crap load of the Chinese.
He said what he respected the Chinese the most for was their ability to use their men to get their stuff over even the highest mountains whereas our men couldn't do that.
What he hated most was a Chinese attack right before the armistice. He said the Chinese wanted to take one mountain but it resulted in a ridiculous amount of Chinese deaths but not so many on our side.
I also asked him about Chinese military tactics. He said they just threw ridiculous numbers into battle and were prepared to wear big losses.
Question. If the arsie kicked the chinks asses why did they bug out and leave the Canadians an Kiwis to stop the chink advance. Maybe because they could bug out to a safe area have tea and eat friggin mutton?

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<quoted text>Question. If the arsie kicked the chinks asses why did they bug out and leave the Canadians an Kiwis to stop the chink advance. Maybe because they could bug out to a safe area have tea and eat friggin mutton?
That's not what happened at all. Are you really dumb enough to think that when we were retreating while you girls stayed and fought quarter of a million chinks. The UN forces retreated to a safer position and the Chinese were pounded.

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That's not what happened at all. Are you really dumb enough to think that when we were retreating while you girls stayed and fought quarter of a million chinks. The UN forces retreated to a safer position and the Chinese were pounded.
The Canadians stayed and fought the Kiwis provided artillery support your cowards drove away to the rear.

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<quoted text>The Canadians stayed and fought the Kiwis provided artillery support your cowards drove away to the rear.
What utter crap. So we left a gay force and our poor old kiwi brothers to fight off quarter of a million chinks? Provide a link to prove it or this just goes down as one more (of many) stupid things you have written on here...

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What utter crap. So we left a gay force and our poor old kiwi brothers to fight off quarter of a million chinks? Provide a link to prove it or this just goes down as one more (of many) stupid things you have written on here...
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/04/28/kapyong-...

You gay Arsies left the field first leaving brave Canadians and Kiwis to stop the chinks. While this was going on you tossers were taking turns wanking each other LOL!
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I have got a friend who was in the Kapyong battle. I was over at his house on Saturday an asked him a bit about it. He said they were advancing at 200 (I think he said miles) a day until they got to the Yangtze River. He said there was a huge mass of Chinese soldiers on the other side looking back over. After the Chinese got the order, they were retreating at 300 (miles?) a day. Finally they caught up with I think the poms and yanks and killed a crap load of the Chinese.
He said what he respected the Chinese the most for was their ability to use their men to get their stuff over even the highest mountains whereas our men couldn't do that.
What he hated most was a Chinese attack right before the armistice. He said the Chinese wanted to take one mountain but it resulted in a ridiculous amount of Chinese deaths but not so many on our side.
I also asked him about Chinese military tactics. He said they just threw ridiculous numbers into battle and were prepared to wear big losses.
Yeah, it was much the same as the Russian "tactics" in WW2, attempt to overrun the enemy's position with sheer numbers. Nothing subtle about it. Then again when you have the huge numbers to begin with, it's tempting to just try and bash your way through and screw and pretense of finesse.

Also, China had a disproportionate men to women ratio so it was nothing for them to send those men to their deaths hours before an armistice. It would be bad for their society to bring trained killers home, that ain't gonna be getting laid with any kind of regularity, after a war. Might as well kill off as many as you can while hoping to score some bonus territory.

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http://www.torontosun.com/2012/04/28/kapyong-...
You gay Arsies left the field first leaving brave Canadians and Kiwis to stop the chinks. While this was going on you tossers were taking turns wanking each other LOL!
Yeahhhhh, The Sun doesn't really go into much detail, actually ANY detail about the Aussies.
As I said before, the Aussies took it to the Chinese kicking their asses. However, HERE'S the critical part: Although originally intending on holding until the Australians could be relieved by the US 5th Cavalry Regiment, Burke had decided during the morning to withdraw 3 RAR. With the Australians facing encirclement, and mindful of the fate that had befallen the Glosters, Burke had ordered a fighting withdrawal back to the Middlesex area to new defensive positions in the rear of the brigade. Despite holding the Chinese at bay throughout the morning and afternoon, the increasing difficulty of resupply and casualty evacuation made it clear that the Australians would be unable to hold Hill 504 for another night in its exposed and isolated positions.

The Chinese hit the Australian positions at on the 23rd, fought them all night and all day of the 24th. It was the night of the 24th when when 3 RAR began their fighting withdrawal.
The real issue facing the Aussies was that unlike the Canadians, their positions didn't have the benefit of any direct-fire support and only had limited indirect-fire support. They had some US tank support but they were posted on the road with no infantry support and so they had to bail before the Aussies were even engaged.

Also keep in mind that both the Aussies and Canadians had only 4 companies each, engaged in that battle. And the way the battle went, no company was able to provide support for the others.
The Chinese began the battle by throwing two full battalions against the Australians which were repulsed by the defenders.
After a full 24 hours of fighting, the casualties were 96 Aussies killed, wounded and captured, while they sent around 700 of the enemy to Valhalla. Those 96 Aussie casualites represented about 50% of the their fighting force on hill 504, assuming a full strength Aussie battalion was the same size as the Canadian's.

The Sun also has a unique definition of "huge numbers of casualites". At the end of the battle with the Canadians, there were 300 Chinese dead. Although bear in mind that the 4 Canadian companies weren't at full strength when their battle began.

At the end of the battle of Kapyong, the Australians and Canadians had a combined kill ratio of over 20:1.

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Yeahhhhh, The Sun doesn't really go into much detail, actually ANY detail about the Aussies.
As I said before, the Aussies took it to the Chinese kicking their asses. However, HERE'S the critical part: Although originally intending on holding until the Australians could be relieved by the US 5th Cavalry Regiment, Burke had decided during the morning to withdraw 3 RAR. With the Australians facing encirclement, and mindful of the fate that had befallen the Glosters, Burke had ordered a fighting withdrawal back to the Middlesex area to new defensive positions in the rear of the brigade. Despite holding the Chinese at bay throughout the morning and afternoon, the increasing difficulty of resupply and casualty evacuation made it clear that the Australians would be unable to hold Hill 504 for another night in its exposed and isolated positions.

The Chinese hit the Australian positions at on the 23rd, fought them all night and all day of the 24th. It was the night of the 24th when when 3 RAR began their fighting withdrawal.
The real issue facing the Aussies was that unlike the Canadians, their positions didn't have the benefit of any direct-fire support and only had limited indirect-fire support. They had some US tank support but they were posted on the road with no infantry support and so they had to bail before the Aussies were even engaged.

Also keep in mind that both the Aussies and Canadians had only 4 companies each, engaged in that battle. And the way the battle went, no company was able to provide support for the others.
The Chinese began the battle by throwing two full battalions against the Australians which were repulsed by the defenders.
After a full 24 hours of fighting, the casualties were 96 Aussies killed, wounded and captured, while they sent around 700 of the enemy to Valhalla. Those 96 Aussie casualites represented about 50% of the their fighting force on hill 504, assuming a full strength Aussie battalion was the same size as the Canadian's.

The Sun also has a unique definition of "huge numbers of casualites". At the end of the battle with the Canadians, there were 300 Chinese dead. Although bear in mind that the 4 Canadian companies weren't at full strength when their battle began.

At the end of the battle of Kapyong, the Australians and Canadians had a combined kill ratio of over 20:1.
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