Biden Comes Out Against Prop 8

Biden Comes Out Against Prop 8

There are 91 comments on the www.queerty.com story from Oct 17, 2008, titled Biden Comes Out Against Prop 8. In it, www.queerty.com reports that:

Democratic running mate Joe Biden will appear on lesbian funny lady Ellen DeGeneres' talk show Monday. And, during their heart-to-heart, the Senator reportedly takes an unequivocal stand against Proposition 8, the ballot measure looking to overturn California's gay marriage win.

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Since: Aug 08

Venice Beach, CA

#24 Oct 18, 2008
Proposition 8 consists of a single sentence:“Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.”

But it’s hardly simple. Those 14 words would rescind the recently established right of single-sex couples to marry, and they would be fixed in the state constitution.

It's not fair.
It's not necessary.

Vote NO on Prop 8
Wanda J

Germantown, MD

#25 Oct 18, 2008
THE ________RMOG wrote:
Do you value Marriage?
Do you value Family?
Do you love America?
Do you respect God?
Well then...
VOTE YES ON PROP 8 !!!
We value Family as much as you do, that's why we want to get married. Loving America has nothing to do with marriage; if that was true, then you'd have to say that all the heterosexual people who live together without benefit of clergy do not love America. As for respecting God, we ARE respecting Him by wanting to marry rather than just living together; it is you and people like you who are keeping us from doing that.

VOTE NO ON PROPOSITION 8!!!!

Since: Aug 08

Venice Beach, CA

#26 Oct 18, 2008
WAY TO GO JOE!

Proposition 8 consists of a single sentence:“Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.”

But it’s hardly simple. Those 14 words would rescind the recently established right of single-sex couples to marry, and they would be fixed in the state constitution.

It's not fair.
It's not necessary.

Please Vote NO on Prop 8
Wanda J

Germantown, MD

#27 Oct 18, 2008
ScottyMatic wrote:
(And do we really need to call her "LESBIAN funny lady Ellen Degeneres? I mean, do we say "Old Rich White Senator John McCain?" Do we say "Caribou Barbie Governor Sarah Palin?" I think not.)
I so totally agree. To me, it's like when a person says "Some of my best friends are (name a race, gender-orientation, ethnicity)" Why the need to differentiate? Ellen Degeneres is a funny lady, PERIOD. It's just one more way of separating gays from everyone else.

“Married as I can be!”

Since: Jun 07

Las Vegas

#28 Oct 18, 2008
THE ________RMOG wrote:
Do you value Marriage?
Do you value Family?
Do you love America?
Do you respect God?
Well then...
VOTE YES ON PROP 8 !!!
If you value family, you will give the right to form a family to more citizens
If you love America, you will vote to keep citizens' freedoms intact
If you respect G-d, you will respect the right of gay Christians, Jews, Muslims or any one else that believes in G-d to worship in their own way, in their own church.
So NO ON 8
verad

United States

#29 Oct 18, 2008
ltndncr59 wrote:
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If you value family, you will give the right to form a family to more citizens
If you love America, you will vote to keep citizens' freedoms intact
If you respect G-d, you will respect the right of gay Christians, Jews, Muslims or any one else that believes in G-d to worship in their own way, in their own church.
So NO ON 8
What an adorable puppy! What breed is that baby?

I am dogsitting for my best friends right now which means I have 5 dogs in my house. Fortunately only one is a large dog but that is also the puppy of the bunch!!! It has been fun but it makes me realize why I was meant to only have two children.:-)

“Baby got back. ”

Since: Jul 08

Mililani, Hawaii

#30 Oct 18, 2008
born that way wrote:
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I am fairly well convinced that, at this time in this country, no one can run for president with a pro-gay-marriage plank. However, I further suspect that, were the tide to turn in favor of gay marriage - which a firm NO vote in California would herald - that an Obama-Biden administration will get behind this. Not so for McCain-Palin. Even Rep. Governor Schwarzenegger is OK with this and does not support Prop 8.
You're right.

After all, it is an election year and there just isn't enough proponents across the country for gay marriage. But I'm betting my cookies that if Obama/Biden do win, their tune will change to support gay marriage. Then again, that's the optimist in me.

And I gotta give it to the Governator. I may not respect a lot of his views, but I appreciate that he's giving a damn about his citizens equal rights. At least someone on the opposite side of the spectrum is pulling for it.

Since: Aug 08

Venice Beach, CA

#31 Oct 18, 2008
Kehaulani wrote:
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You're right.
After all, it is an election year and there just isn't enough proponents across the country for gay marriage. But I'm betting my cookies that if Obama/Biden do win, their tune will change to support gay marriage. Then again, that's the optimist in me.
And I gotta give it to the Governator. I may not respect a lot of his views, but I appreciate that he's giving a damn about his citizens equal rights. At least someone on the opposite side of the spectrum is pulling for it.
uhhh.....correction:
Arnold Schwarzenegger, Republican Against 8

http://www.republicansagainst8.com/2008/08/08...

“Married as I can be!”

Since: Jun 07

Las Vegas

#32 Oct 18, 2008
verad wrote:
<quoted text>
What an adorable puppy! What breed is that baby?
I am dogsitting for my best friends right now which means I have 5 dogs in my house. Fortunately only one is a large dog but that is also the puppy of the bunch!!! It has been fun but it makes me realize why I was meant to only have two children.:-)
THANK YOU! He's a lemon beagle (the 'lemon' refers to his coloring, not his temperament) and he's everything that people say beagles are. He's also just 5 months old, so we gotta cut him some slack (although when he ruined my 200 dollar prescription glasses this morning, my patience was near its end!).
We love him!

“Baby got back. ”

Since: Jul 08

Mililani, Hawaii

#33 Oct 18, 2008
Student Gregg wrote:
<quoted text>
uhhh.....correction:
Arnold Schwarzenegger, Republican Against 8
http://www.republicansagainst8.com/2008/08/08...
Um well, I suppose at least the end result is equality. No matter how money driven it is.
GODLOVESGAYS

United States

#34 Oct 18, 2008
VOTE NO ON 8.
Ralph

United States

#35 Oct 19, 2008
Dane wrote:
Biden's stance, at this point, No to gay marriage and yes to Civil Unions or domestic partnerships. That was said during the VP debate. Not to say that wasn't all rhetoric. I am sure it was.
I am a right winged nut job for gay marriage. We all aren't so ignorant as to believe that marriage is for the few.
I guess to say I am a conservative is a contradiction to what I believe about gay marriage, hmmmmmm.
Anyway, don't loath all of us, there are a few of us that have brains and believe that equality is for all.
My reasons for conservatism is not to deny rights to any group, it has more to do with foreign policy and etc, etc.....
Gulp, I should ready myself for the angry mob, shouldn't I? D
You are not a right wing nutjob at all. You are a true Conservative. You believe in the rights of all Americans. True Conservatives have no problem with SSM. They believe that government should interfer in individuals lives as little as possible. Liberals, Moderates, and Conservatives can all come together and agree on SSM. Only right-wing religious zealots oppose it.

Since: Aug 08

Venice Beach, CA

#36 Oct 19, 2008
Proposition 8: Same-sex marriage

What it would do: Amend the state Constitution to define marriage as only between a man and a woman.

Chief proponents: California Catholic Conference of Bishops, Protect Marriage Coalition, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Concerned Women for America

Major donors to "Yes" side: Knights of Columbus, Focus on the Family, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

Chief opponents: Equality California, League of Women Voters of California, California Democratic Party, California Labor Federation, Valley Industry and Commerce Assn., United Farm Workers

Major donors to "No" side: Pacific Gas & Electric; Robert Haas, chief executive emeritus of Levi Strauss Co., director Stephen Spielberg, Service Employees International Union's California State Council, California Teachers Assn.

Main arguments in favor: Eight years ago, California voters passed Proposition 22, which defined marriage as between a man and a woman, by more than 60%. The will of the people was overturned by the California Supreme Court, which allowed same-sex marriage earlier this year. This undermines the value of marriage.

Main arguments against: People should not be treated differently under the law because of their sexual orientation. Gays and lesbians should keep the right to marry like everyone else.
verad

United States

#37 Oct 19, 2008
Student Gregg wrote:
Proposition 8: Same-sex marriage
What it would do: Amend the state Constitution to define marriage as only between a man and a woman.
Chief proponents: California Catholic Conference of Bishops, Protect Marriage Coalition, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Concerned Women for America
Major donors to "Yes" side: Knights of Columbus, Focus on the Family, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Chief opponents: Equality California, League of Women Voters of California, California Democratic Party, California Labor Federation, Valley Industry and Commerce Assn., United Farm Workers
Major donors to "No" side: Pacific Gas & Electric; Robert Haas, chief executive emeritus of Levi Strauss Co., director Stephen Spielberg, Service Employees International Union's California State Council, California Teachers Assn.
Main arguments in favor: Eight years ago, California voters passed Proposition 22, which defined marriage as between a man and a woman, by more than 60%. The will of the people was overturned by the California Supreme Court, which allowed same-sex marriage earlier this year. This undermines the value of marriage.
Main arguments against: People should not be treated differently under the law because of their sexual orientation. Gays and lesbians should keep the right to marry like everyone else.
This should never have come up for a vote. Just think were we would be if integration, mixed marriage, and women's sufferage had.

Since: Aug 08

Venice Beach, CA

#38 Oct 19, 2008
verad wrote:
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This should never have come up for a vote. Just think were we would be if integration, mixed marriage, and women's sufferage had.
Progress comes in small steps, small small steps.
verad

United States

#39 Oct 19, 2008
Student Gregg wrote:
<quoted text>
Progress comes in small steps, small small steps.
If this proposition is defeated it will be a giant step that will likely resound across the fruited plains.

Since: Aug 08

Venice Beach, CA

#40 Oct 19, 2008
We can only hope :)

“"Equality Revolution"”

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#41 Oct 20, 2008
I'm thrilled Joe Biden believes in CIVIL equality, and I sincerely hope PROP 8 fails miserably.

BUT - if it DOES passes, is everyone prepared to spend another ba-zillion dollars on PR and possibly wait 20-30 years to "win" equality in CA?

AND - if it does NOT pass, which state will we focus on next so we can spend another ba-zillion dollars to purchase civil rights?

I know I am virtually alone here (except for Charles Merrill and his partner), but I think all of you donating to PROPOSITIONS (on both sides) are insane.

Truly crazy....one step away from writing on the wall with your feces crazy.

Because if ALL of us truly believed we WERE equal, we would not be so patient as tax-payers and U.S. citizens. We'd simply KNOW we ARE equal, and refuse to pay into a system that not only denies our familes civil marriage but doesn't even acknowledge our existence (wait for the 2010 census).

I'm 43, and I will NOT wait until I'm 73 for fair and equal treatment. It's OK for the country at large to be ignorant, bigoted, mid-guided, and mid-informed. But that's not my fault. So until people GROW UP and show my family the same "civil" respect heterosexually-identified families are given, I owe this country and the IRS nothing.

How many times do I need to say this?

TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION
Ralph

Saint Louis, MO

#42 Oct 20, 2008
John Bisceglia wrote:
I'm thrilled Joe Biden believes in CIVIL equality, and I sincerely hope PROP 8 fails miserably.
BUT - if it DOES passes, is everyone prepared to spend another ba-zillion dollars on PR and possibly wait 20-30 years to "win" equality in CA?
AND - if it does NOT pass, which state will we focus on next so we can spend another ba-zillion dollars to purchase civil rights?
I know I am virtually alone here (except for Charles Merrill and his partner), but I think all of you donating to PROPOSITIONS (on both sides) are insane.
Truly crazy....one step away from writing on the wall with your feces crazy.
Because if ALL of us truly believed we WERE equal, we would not be so patient as tax-payers and U.S. citizens. We'd simply KNOW we ARE equal, and refuse to pay into a system that not only denies our familes civil marriage but doesn't even acknowledge our existence (wait for the 2010 census).
I'm 43, and I will NOT wait until I'm 73 for fair and equal treatment. It's OK for the country at large to be ignorant, bigoted, mid-guided, and mid-informed. But that's not my fault. So until people GROW UP and show my family the same "civil" respect heterosexually-identified families are given, I owe this country and the IRS nothing.
How many times do I need to say this?
TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION
John, we have had a past discussion on this, so I will not comment on your tax war, but I do have a question. Unless one owns his/her own business, just how does one withhold their taxes? Most people work for a company and have their taxes withheld by their employer. And if you are an employer, are you withholding your employees taxes? Just how does this all work?
Franz

Seattle, WA

#43 Oct 20, 2008
THE ________RMOG wrote:
Do you value Marriage?
Do you value Family?
Do you love America?
Do you respect God?
Well then...
VOTE YES ON PROP 8 !!!
I value democracy; therefore, I say vote NO, on Prop. 8.

Religious leaders have no business attempting to dictate to non-believers who they should or should not marry.

I do not desire to see America become a religious dictatorship.

SAVE AMERICA FOR DEMOCRACY

VOTE NO ON PROP. 8.

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