Dr. Phil Family -- The Trouble with A...
Slayer

Leeds, AL

#42 May 27, 2011
greenwitch wrote:
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What's with the so-called doctor Alex goes to? The Feds were closing down some of these pain clinics in Florida.
Even if Alex's doctor is put out of business, another one would pop up to replace him. There is a real medical need for pain meds, it's just so sad that weak people seeking a high make it difficult for people who really need opiates to get them.
greenwitch wrote:
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Marty doesn't want her living in a trailer, he should tell her hurricane season is coming. You notice how they left this open to do a whole new season of shows on this f-cked up family even though throusands of people on the boards are screaming they are sick of them? My neighbor wouldn't miss an episode!
Marty could use his fear of Alex being hurt or killed in a hurricane as an excuse to convince her to move now,(forecasts are for a bad season with above average number of strong hurricanes), but I don't think sociopaths respond to threats like these. They don't see themselves as vulnerable to any harm.

Living in Tony's mother's dilapidated, broken down trailer while trying to regain custody of Tony Jr. is sickening in itself. Does Alex believe it's in Tony Jr.'s best interest to be with her in a particularly disgusting trailer, the area outside surrounded by junk, under constant threat of having the basic utilities turned off, or with her parents? This is another symptom of a sociopath -- only caring about what they want and seeing a child as nothing but a possession.

Yeah, really wily of old Dr. McGraw isn't it? Leaving his audience hanging about whether Alex goes to rehab. If this whole family thing is staged, it would be brilliant manipulation on his part.

Alex looks overweight, so she probably isn't doing methamphetamine or crack cocaine, which would cause her to be skinny. I thought it was especially nasty of Alex to suggest that her tall sister Katherine is 90 lbs. soaking wet and therefore must be on crack.

Apparently Alex makes some of her money by doctor shopping and selling her excess pain pills. But she screamed at her mom at the end of last season about picking up her check -- welfare $ or child support $? Why would Erin be turning over state welfare or child support checks to Alex when Alex doesn't have her children? That would be enabling by Erin, so she's accusing Marty of doing what she's doing. As soon as Alex is reduced to breaking & entering, and robbing to support her habit, her immediate need to alleviate the pain may get the better of her and she'll relent to rehab. Too bad, like you've posted, sociopaths can't be treated successfully, yet she could quit the drug habit.
greenwitch

North Brunswick, NJ

#43 May 27, 2011
Yeah, I've read the two classics on sociopathy after unfortunately knowing two of them. There is no treatment. They con their therapists, even in prison. Going to jail may make no difference to Alex if she fits this category. A lot of people say she's pregnant again, but she is fat all over. She has a prominent double chin and huge arms. She says she's happy--why not? She is being enabled by her own family and Tony's family. She has no responsibilities. I doubt she really wants Anthony full time. Wait until the kid starts crying or
needs a diaper changed. Are you kidding me? I think she sees herself as a reality television star. She gets drugs whenever she wants them. She isn't worried about the police. She's high all the time. Codeine-based drugs make you feel good!(I've had them after surgery but discontinued using them when the pain was better). I was scared to take for too long (eg, oxycodone). They also make you hungry all the time, so maybe that explains weight gain. "Dr." (I use the word loosely) Phil must be milking this for the ratings. What a toxic waste bunch they are!
Slayer

Montgomery, AL

#44 May 30, 2011
greenwitch wrote:
Yeah, I've read the two classics on sociopathy after unfortunately knowing two of them. There is no treatment. They con their therapists, even in prison. Going to jail may make no difference to Alex if she fits this category. A lot of people say she's pregnant again, but she is fat all over. She has a prominent double chin and huge arms. She says she's happy--why not? She is being enabled by her own family and Tony's family. She has no responsibilities. I doubt she really wants Anthony full time. Wait until the kid starts crying or
needs a diaper changed. Are you kidding me?
Hey, that's a good point -- Alex probably is 'going through the motions' of regaining legal custody of Tony Jr. solely for the continued support of Tony and his parents. Doubt she really cares either way, just realizes it's what others expect her to do. Did hear her say Tony has a job so he's probably bringing in some $, and if they're living free in his mom's trailer, then there's no rent. Great easy life for a 23-year-old.
greenwitch wrote:
I think she sees herself as a reality television star. She gets drugs whenever she wants them. She isn't worried about the police. She's high all the time.
Looks as if Alex has gotten the 'what you say or don't say' to police, and 'I know my rights' lingo of a hardened criminal. She definitely sees herself as a star, probably sincerely believes Dr. Phil should be grateful she condescends to appear on his show. Yet, on Twitter, she ridicules people who tweet insults to her -- telling them they don't her, and the show is edited to make her look as bad as possible.
greenwitch wrote:
Codeine-based drugs make you feel good!(I've had them after surgery but discontinued using them when the pain was better). I was scared to take for too long (eg, oxycodone). They also make you hungry all the time, so maybe that explains weight gain. "Dr." (I use the word loosely) Phil must be milking this for the ratings. What a toxic waste bunch they are!
I didn't know that overdosing on opiate pain pills caused increased hunger for some folks -- that would explain the weight gain, and lying in front of the TV all day doesn't help. If Alex can't afford the pain pills she'll be reduced to heroin -- a cheaper alternative.

Wondering what kind of 'job' Alex was suggesting to Dr. Phil that she needed help finding. I understand Alex lives in the St. Augustine area of FL, there should be at least waitress, bartending, and other low-level service jobs during the summer months -- guess Alex is too good to take a job as a waitress. I don't believe even Dr. Phil can hook Alex up with a job paying big bucks where she has to do nothing in return. It's my understanding Alex has never had any job, even cashiering at mall food court. Besides, with a felony A&B, and her other known 'problems' having been highlighted on the show -- doesn't look so good on a background check, so getting job being responsible for $ is out.
greenwitch

North Brunswick, NJ

#45 May 30, 2011
In high school I was given codeine for migraine, my mom too. Now they have better stuff, but Alexandra doesnt know from pain! The truth is narcotics are useless for migraine pain! But it made me hungry all the time. My mom just the opposite. Narcotics could cause Alex's weight gain. It's kind of like pot, where a lot of people get the munchies. What narcotics do though, is create this wonderful warm sense of well being.

Alex probably couldn't hold a job as a waitress or anything else. She's totally trashing Dr Phil's credibility, there has to be something there. He can't possibly be that naive.
Slayer

Birmingham, AL

#46 Jun 1, 2011
greenwitch wrote:
Narcotics could cause Alex's weight gain. It's kind of like pot, where a lot of people get the munchies. What narcotics do though, is create this wonderful warm sense of well being.
I see from Erin's Twitter page that Alex has still (as of today) not been served with documents requiring her to respond to civil charges -- Alex is successfully ducking the process server -- quite clever of her really -- but then, she knows from seeing Dr. Phil's show that they're looking for her and why.
greenwitch wrote:
Alex probably couldn't hold a job as a waitress or anything else. She's totally trashing Dr Phil's credibility, there has to be something there. He can't possibly be that naive.
Isn't it striking how many parallels there are between Casey Anthony and Alexandra Stehl Harrelson? Can't or won't work any job. Hates her mother. Sex and drugs or alcohol are the most important priorities in their lives. Are extreme users and takers (sociopathic behavior). Lies constantly. Is very good at 'going through the motions to appear to be a certain way' as long as they're getting what they want, but turn hostile when they don't.

As far as Dr. Phil's credibility, I understand that in Los Angeles when his name is announced at an event he's attending that most of the audience boos and hisses. Looks as if people in California already have his number -- and it's about to be up!
greenwitch

Saint Paul, MN

#47 Jun 1, 2011
I havent followed Casey Anthony, sick of true crime. A lot of people were mad that her trial preempted the Alex-Brandon show. A lot of people in Missouri were mad that the killer tornado preempted it. This is one stupid nation!

I'm sure it is a snap for Alex to dodge process servers.

Dr Phil comes across so phony. His granddaughter should host the show.
b jaydee

Regina, Canada

#48 Jun 6, 2011
Alexandra isn't a sociopath. \she'd never kill her children. Are u people stupid or just nuts. No OK BULLIES. U are the people with the problem.
dee dum

Regina, Canada

#49 Jun 6, 2011
Why is it whenever I post the whole truth about Alexander and Family it doesn't get posted? Where is Alexander? Why isn't anyone, her family, Dr Magoo, ugly fans, police worried that she is missing? Mother claims she's involved with drug dealers. Why is no one concerned about the lack of respect & violation of her human rights during intervention by an ex con? The lies they told her. The caring family acting like an angry mob. The illegal search & seizure of purse/contents. The chase so she had to be rescued by a passing car.
In the old days when a woman didn't agree with family/husband they'd put her away. Brainwashed her into becoming a zombie. Not much has changed..Her opinion passed off as "the drugs talking."
On shows May 24/25 Alexander showed poise, strength & fortitude.. Nothing in her appearance would suggest she is a drug addict. Why is the public justified in their narcissistic negative labeling characterizing their prejudice perception of her persona.
I hope Alexandra turns up soon alive and well with a good lawyer.
greenwitch

New Rochelle, NY

#50 Jun 6, 2011
b jaydee wrote:
Alexandra isn't a sociopath.\she'd never kill her children. Are u people stupid or just nuts. No OK BULLIES. U are the people with the problem.
I dont think she'd kill her children either, but most sociopaths aren't killers. They are liars, con artists, unable to have any feelings for anyone except themselves. They are easily bored and often indulge in alcohol and drugs. They use other people to get what they want. No one can tell just by watching television whether a person is a sociopath, but Alexandra displays some of the characteristics of one. I haven't seen anything that makes her a murderer. You may be ignorant of the subject.
b jaydee

Regina, Canada

#51 Jun 6, 2011
Hey hi hello greenwitch.. Alexander was a minor pushed into the public eye, with her very personal problems, by her mother. Alex, at that time, a quite normal confused spoiled pregnant drama queen barbie doll stereotype. This doesn't equal into a serial killer and/or sociopath. It is common knowledge a sociopath is the product of dysfunctional abusive parent/s.. Which would beg the question as to whether Erin & Marty can be considered fit to take care of Alex three kids. What teen wants three babies anyway..? Alex isn't mental ill. Her problem, she is poor. If she were rich & crazy she'd have her own reality show making herself rich instead of others.
greenwitch

New Rochelle, NY

#52 Jun 6, 2011
b jaydee wrote:
Hey hi hello greenwitch.. Alexander was a minor pushed into the public eye, with her very personal problems, by her mother. Alex, at that time, a quite normal confused spoiled pregnant drama queen barbie doll stereotype. This doesn't equal into a serial killer and/or sociopath. It is common knowledge a sociopath is the product of dysfunctional abusive parent/s.. Which would beg the question as to whether Erin & Marty can be considered fit to take care of Alex three kids. What teen wants three babies anyway..? Alex isn't mental ill. Her problem, she is poor. If she were rich & crazy she'd have her own reality show making herself rich instead of others.
Well, first of all, her family is rich. They live in Ponte Vedra Beach, one of the wealthiest suburbs of Jacksonville. Alexandra would probably love her own reality show but Dr Phil is the next best thing. Since you mention it, Lisa Bloom was on Dr Phil last week saying that people dont get rich on reality shows. I dont know if this is true or not, it may depend on the show. Sociopaths are born with a problem in the brain that is not due to their upbringing (or wouldn't a lot more of us be sociopaths?)This is a physical problem for which there is no cure. This is not to say that Alexandra's family is not dysfunctional. They seem pretty messed up after 8 years of so-called therapy and can certainly be the cause of some of Alexandra's problems.
dee-dum

Regina, Canada

#53 Jun 6, 2011
- Saying Alexandra is a sociopath is pure nonsense. A malicious invention meant to hurt and harm her.
- She has enough problems. It is sad to see how little support she receives from the public.
- That's why smart people don't go on the show.- Parents have money. She doesn't.
- Where is she? Is she safe.? To me she is a human being. A person of worth. Not a disposable woman because she doesn't measure up to a society Madonna image. Our prejudices are the veil for American women.
greenwitch

Saint Paul, MN

#54 Jun 7, 2011
dee-dum wrote:
- Saying Alexandra is a sociopath is pure nonsense. A malicious invention meant to hurt and harm her.
- She has enough problems. It is sad to see how little support she receives from the public.
- That's why smart people don't go on the show.- Parents have money. She doesn't.
- Where is she? Is she safe.? To me she is a human being. A person of worth. Not a disposable woman because she doesn't measure up to a society Madonna image. Our prejudices are the veil for American women.
Nobody is saying she is a sociopath. I said you cant know that from seeing her on TV.
TX Mom

United States

#55 Jun 9, 2011
Oops I think I said it
greenwitch

Saint Paul, MN

#56 Jun 9, 2011
She may be one. I just think you have to know someone and know more about them to tell. I've never met her, what can I say? I think she acts like one, but that's just an opinion. Dr Phil is the one who should know, he spends a lot of time with that family and is supposedly a psychologist.
b jaydee

Regina, Canada

#57 Jun 10, 2011
On a number of Dr Phil shows there's a clip of Alexander peeking through a motel door looking very rough. This was taken when they tried to pick her up to go to her daughters' school concert. She was sick suffering from a kidney stones problem.
Now anyone who has had kidney stones can tell you Alexander looked good compared to the pain & how sick this makes one.
So the clip was an unfair representation of fact. And they show it over & over to back up their claims she's a lazy good-for-nothing addict. So question. If Alex is so bad why does the show have to use a fake clip of her looking soooo bad..??
Why does her family help the show make her look bad instead of objecting to all this BS.
Ted Bundy & the iceman were sociopaths.
For my money, Alex is a misguided young woman in the middle of a very nasty custody/control battle for her babies.
If you have a chance read "Sham" by Steve Salerno.
greenwitch

Saint Paul, MN

#58 Jun 10, 2011
b jaydee wrote:
On a number of Dr Phil shows there's a clip of Alexander peeking through a motel door looking very rough. This was taken when they tried to pick her up to go to her daughters' school concert. She was sick suffering from a kidney stones problem.
Now anyone who has had kidney stones can tell you Alexander looked good compared to the pain & how sick this makes one.
So the clip was an unfair representation of fact. And they show it over & over to back up their claims she's a lazy good-for-nothing addict. So question. If Alex is so bad why does the show have to use a fake clip of her looking soooo bad..??
Why does her family help the show make her look bad instead of objecting to all this BS.
Ted Bundy & the iceman were sociopaths.
For my money, Alex is a misguided young woman in the middle of a very nasty custody/control battle for her babies.
If you have a chance read "Sham" by Steve Salerno.
Ted Bundy was one, that is true. I don't remember seeing the kidney stone incident. I know that is really painful, I've seen friends go through that. All I remember is them talking on the show about Alexandra not attending some function her daughter was in. I think if she gave birth to a drug addicted kid, it's safe to assume she is an addict. Whether she's a sociopath is another question. Was she ever diagnosed as one? It still doesn't make her violent or a serial killer. Most sociopaths aren't from what I've red. People like Ted Bundy are the exception. I wouldn't compare Alexandra to Ted Bundy.
Joe

Glen Ellyn, IL

#59 Jun 12, 2011
Dr Phil is just a TV opportunist. I think he cares more for his image than the people he "helps". In the past, he has been blinded by his own media sensation to the point that he can't really see what is going on. Look at the Octomom story. Everything just came out wrong. All the while, he gets up on this sanctimonious pedestal about caring for the kids.

He surrounds himself with other opportunists like Gloria Alred, Lisa Bloom and now, Brandon. He has got that guy believing that he is qualified to be an interventionist just because he had a drug problem. Sorry, that does not qualify one as a therapist.

The again, the good doctor isn't all that either. He is just a fast talking Texas boy who learned how to play the field.
b jaydee

Regina, Canada

#60 Jun 12, 2011
yes "greenwitch" Alexander's baby Antony was born with an addiction. And if you watch Jerry Springer and/or Maury it is safe to say Alexander's circumstances are not all that unusual.
That said, I think we have come to a point in our human history where we need to explore the reality that not all women are motivated or should be mothers. If these gals spent the same amount of time and energy getting an education as they do having sex imagine the results. They just don't get that motherhood is a 20 year job with no pay.. I repeat. Motherhood is not a paying job.. When you retire, if and when your daughter don't drop babies on you, one will still be fat and broke.
And drugs. God how can anyone be so stupid. Drugs keep women enslaved.
Barbara G. Walker said in her book "The Crone" Women were poorest of all under Christian laws .. allowed to own nothing...married in order to use them as draft animals and breeding stock, often beating them into submission and subjecting them to repeated marital rape, with the church's blessing." Alexander and so many are just doing what they are expected to do.
greenwitch

New Rochelle, NY

#61 Jun 12, 2011
you are right. Dr Phil is a TV talk show host and that's about it. Don't you love his saying "This ain't my first rodeo"? I think it's great that Brandon was able to get off drugs, but like I asked earlier, what credentials do these interventionists have to have? I wasn't surprised that Brandon didn't convert Alexandra. I think that was way over his head and I'm not sure I believe he's done hundreds of interventions.Dr. Phil doesn't practice psychology any more than Oprah Winfrey does, but she doesn't pretend to.

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