Dr. Phil Family -- The Trouble with A...
Slayer

Chelsea, AL

#22 May 19, 2011
TX Mom wrote:
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Finally someone said it. "She a Sociopath." What makes her any different for Casey Anthony or Scott Peterson. They sacrificed their childern for their own happiness. How could Dr Phil and his panel of experts miss that.
Agreed -- no real difference between Alex and these two murderers -- other than Alex knows her mother and father would not allow her to have enough time alone with any of the children long enough to carry out a murder.

I too believe Alex is capable of murdering her children, and as Casey Anthony, would do it solely to gain revenge on her mother. I believe Alex could have easily murdered her daughter Leilah if the little girl had been scheduled to testify against Tony -- b/c Alex only cares about her own physical needs, and Tony was supplying her with sex. Although also believe that Tony may NOT have hurt Leilah -- that it was Alex he was covering for since he knew it was Alex hitting and neglecting Leilah.
greenwitch

North Brunswick, NJ

#23 May 19, 2011
She impressed me as a sociopath, although I can't say for sure because I'm not a shrink and I dont know her. But if she gives that impression on television--a sociopath has no feelings for anyone other than themselves, which might explain the total indifference to the kids. They are super con artists and lie all the time whether it makes any sense or not. Id recommend The Sociopath Next Door by Martha Stout. She says the sure fire way to spot one is the pity play. More than anything a sociopath likes people to feel sorry for them.

I can't diagnose Alexandra, but we have one in our family and I once got involved with one. If Dr Phil is a psychologist, he should be able to tell one when he sees one. A sociopath has something missing upstairs, they cannot be cured or helped. Not all of them are violent or murderers like Scott Peterson or some others. They are all con artists. Whatever Alexandra's problem is, I think he's wasted enough time on her and most of the viewers agree.
greenwitch

North Brunswick, NJ

#24 May 19, 2011
Okay, get ready, people! Dr Phil is doing an intervention with her and Brandon on Tuesday. He can't stay away from her for 2 weeks! She's playing him like a Stradivarius you ask me.
greenwitch

Saint Paul, MN

#25 May 20, 2011
Slayer wrote:
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Agreed -- no real difference between Alex and these two murderers -- other than Alex knows her mother and father would not allow her to have enough time alone with any of the children long enough to carry out a murder.
I too believe Alex is capable of murdering her children, and as Casey Anthony, would do it solely to gain revenge on her mother. I believe Alex could have easily murdered her daughter Leilah if the little girl had been scheduled to testify against Tony -- b/c Alex only cares about her own physical needs, and Tony was supplying her with sex. Although also believe that Tony may NOT have hurt Leilah -- that it was Alex he was covering for since he knew it was Alex hitting and neglecting Leilah.
Like I say, many if not most, sociopaths are not violent or serial killers or whatever. They are users and takers. They only care about what they want. Alex seems to want to party nonstop and have no responsibilities. As long as she doesn't have to be bothered with her kids, what reason would she have to kill them? Going to prison would get in the way of her lifestyle. I don't think, based on what I've seen, that she should be around those kids, but she doesn't seem to want to be with them either. She does have a criminal record, and assaulted someone in Florida. It's hard to say how far she would go.
Charlottetean

Charlotte, NC

#26 May 21, 2011
greenwitch wrote:
Okay, get ready, people! Dr Phil is doing an intervention with her and Brandon on Tuesday. He can't stay away from her for 2 weeks! She's playing him like a Stradivarius you ask me.
She is playing him and he is playing her for his show. So who is more despicable? And the winner is --Dr. Phil, after all he is supposed to have his wits about him and her mind is distorted on drugs. But guess $$$ has his mind just as distorted. As for the mother...she too is a sick one to have this played out on tv but I think she is happy to take her children so she can play house and keep Marty right under her thumb and not cheat on her.
Charlottetean

Charlotte, NC

#27 May 21, 2011
greenwitch wrote:
She impressed me as a sociopath, although I can't say for sure because I'm not a shrink and I dont know her. But if she gives that impression on television--a sociopath has no feelings for anyone other than themselves, which might explain the total indifference to the kids. They are super con artists and lie all the time whether it makes any sense or not. Id recommend The Sociopath Next Door by Martha Stout. She says the sure fire way to spot one is the pity play. More than anything a sociopath likes people to feel sorry for them.
I can't diagnose Alexandra, but we have one in our family and I once got involved with one. If Dr Phil is a psychologist, he should be able to tell one when he sees one. A sociopath has something missing upstairs, they cannot be cured or helped. Not all of them are violent or murderers like Scott Peterson or some others. They are all con artists. Whatever Alexandra's problem is, I think he's wasted enough time on her and most of the viewers agree.
You are right you can't diagnose her so quit trying and playing armchair psychologist. Alex is on drugs and her diagnoses is a drugger. Dr. Phil is for entertainment purposes only. He cannot do anything he does not have a license to practice psychology. Besides when he did he worked for the court system. All he can do is bring in licensed therapist and introduce them.

When Alex gave birth to the drug addicted baby is the time Alex should have been transported immediately to drug rehab. Mom and Dad are too busy being mad at her and telling her how mad they are and sprinkling it with oh I know you can be a good mother. Its like talking to a drunk. They can't remember the next day. She should have had her tubes tied after she would not care for the first child.

We are all temporary insane while intoxicated on drugs or alcohol.
Slayer

Chelsea, AL

#28 May 23, 2011
Charlottetean wrote:
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You are right you can't diagnose her so quit trying and playing armchair psychologist. Alex is on drugs and her diagnoses is a drugger.
Most of Dr. Phil's audience are 'armchair psychologists.'

There have been numerous unmistakable signs of personality problems with Alexandra from the first season of 'The Dr. Phil Family.'

1) Alex choosing to have unprotected sex at 14.
2) Alex selfishly choosing to keep her baby even though she was presented with three sets of ideal parents eager to adopt her baby.
3) Alex unable to learn from her mistakes -- soon after giving birth, gets sexual with a young male she casually meets while a trip to Cayman Islands during which she was supposed to be considering career opportunities -- she had claimed she was interested in becoming a marine biologist.
4) Alex barely finishes high school even though she had all the support in the world.
5) For a serious relationship Alex chooses a 'bad boy felon' who as a life mate has limited prospects but who dotes on and idolizes her. Alex loves herself and would not choose a person who challenges her.
6) Alex repeatedly saying she wants to go to college, yet even with paid tuition won't take the steps to attend.
7) Alex is convinced she is the only one who 'gets it' and everyone else is clueless or hates or is jealous of her.
8) Hooks up with another felon immediately after felon #1 returns to prison for probation violation. Unable to establish healthy relationships beyond what is in her immediate interest -- casual sex and inability to be alone.
9) Surrenders son Nathan rather than give up her sexual relationship with Tony.
10) Neglects daughter and abuses her, or allows her to be abused, while claiming it's not happening, despite obvious signs to the contrary.
11) Has baby #3 to trap felon #2 -- inability to make rational decisions.
12) Chooses to remain addicted because, other than being pregnant, it's how she controls everyone around her.

Gosh, really? Nothing in her history would lead you to believe Alex is a sociopath? I disagree -- all of the above point directly to a sociopath. Drugs and alcohol may have some minor effects, but Alex has shown she had problems before the drugs.
Charlottetean wrote:
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When Alex gave birth to the drug addicted baby is the time Alex should have been transported immediately to drug rehab. Mom and Dad are too busy being mad at her and telling her how mad they are and sprinkling it with oh I know you can be a good mother.
Agreed!
Charlottetean wrote:
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She should have had her tubes tied after she would not care for the first child.
Agreed! This family's story is compelling not only because of Alex who is mentally ill and an addict, and has been sick since we first saw her at 15 years old, but also Dr. Phil's complete inability to achieve any improvements in Alex's condition and behavior, despite almost nine years of trying.

Dr. Phil appears to be guilty of a weakness he often cautions his guests to avoid -- wishing and desiring a person to be what you want them to be, rather than recognizing them for what they actually are. Fixing Alex's drug problems is only the beginning.
greenwitch

Saint Paul, MN

#29 May 23, 2011
Charlottetean wrote:
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You are right you can't diagnose her so quit trying and playing armchair psychologist. Alex is on drugs and her diagnoses is a drugger. Dr. Phil is for entertainment purposes only. He cannot do anything he does not have a license to practice psychology. Besides when he did he worked for the court system. All he can do is bring in licensed therapist and introduce them.
When Alex gave birth to the drug addicted baby is the time Alex should have been transported immediately to drug rehab. Mom and Dad are too busy being mad at her and telling her how mad they are and sprinkling it with oh I know you can be a good mother. Its like talking to a drunk. They can't remember the next day. She should have had her tubes tied after she would not care for the first child.
We are all temporary insane while intoxicated on drugs or alcohol.
I think you miss my point. I was referring to those who say Alex IS a sociopath. She may or may not be, but nobody can tell for sure by watching her a few hours on television. That's not being an armchair psychologist. I was talking about characteristics of sociopaths in general as well as two people I know who are definitely sociopaths. We also don't know if Alex was ever diagnosed with any particular disorder. I agree she is a drug abuser, we can see that from her third kid born addicted. She could have other disorders as well as drug addiction. i think Dr Phil should get rid of her, I don't think any good will come of this.
greenwitch

Saint Paul, MN

#30 May 24, 2011
Anybody see today's show? Whether or not she's a sociopath, she sure was acting like one. I really think Dr. Phil is in over his head at this point.
Lsing

Shepherdsville, KY

#31 May 24, 2011
Nice name...sounds like a stripper. Are you and Alexandra frineds? And too bad you don't know how to spell "Luscious."
Lucious Lips wrote:
Okay, Dr. Phil seriously needs to quit giving this girl the attention she wants. Think about it, if she got her life on track, she wouldn't keep getting repeat visits to Dr. Phil and boosting ratings. He needs to get her private help and stop putting her on the show. She wants attention and that's why she keeps on....it's not hard to figure out. Dr. Phil is not helping her, he's perpetuating the problem. To his credit, I don't think this is done on purpose, but someone with his educational background should have seen this cycle a long time ago. Ratings or no ratings, please quit giving this brat attention!
Slayer

Albertville, AL

#32 May 24, 2011
greenwitch wrote:
Anybody see today's show? Whether or not she's a sociopath, she sure was acting like one. I really think Dr. Phil is in over his head at this point.
Alexandra appears to be a 'classic case' of personality disorder -- she may, or may not, fit perfectly into the textbook definition of 'sociopath' in all aspects, but she is certainly close, more than anyone I know. That FL felony assault and battery conviction is yet another example of her many problems, totaling her mother's car, losing her drivers license for non-payment of tickets, as well as her threats of getting violent with her family today -- the list goes on, and on, and on...

While I personally despise Alexandra Stehl Harrelson -- I hope she does live long enough to see her oldest son, Nathan, punch her in the face until she's in a coma! Her son's fists coming at her face should be the last sight her eyes ever see -- her own son giving her exactly what she deserves, because her father Marty certainly will never be man enough to take her to task for her behavior. Some people aren't worth saving -- Alexandra Stehl Harrelson is one of those people!

Looks like Alex may not have been Tweeting recently because her parents stopped paying her phone bill -- guess we'll find out on Wednesday if whore Alex is going to relax in a resort setting rehab facility for 90 days -- another vacation which she doesn't deserve.
greenwitch

Saint Paul, MN

#33 May 25, 2011
Slayer wrote:
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Alexandra appears to be a 'classic case' of personality disorder -- she may, or may not, fit perfectly into the textbook definition of 'sociopath' in all aspects, but she is certainly close, more than anyone I know. That FL felony assault and battery conviction is yet another example of her many problems, totaling her mother's car, losing her drivers license for non-payment of tickets, as well as her threats of getting violent with her family today -- the list goes on, and on, and on...
While I personally despise Alexandra Stehl Harrelson -- I hope she does live long enough to see her oldest son, Nathan, punch her in the face until she's in a coma! Her son's fists coming at her face should be the last sight her eyes ever see -- her own son giving her exactly what she deserves, because her father Marty certainly will never be man enough to take her to task for her behavior. Some people aren't worth saving -- Alexandra Stehl Harrelson is one of those people!
Looks like Alex may not have been Tweeting recently because her parents stopped paying her phone bill -- guess we'll find out on Wednesday if whore Alex is going to relax in a resort setting rehab facility for 90 days -- another vacation which she doesn't deserve.
Someone on another board said intervention doesn't work for everyone. I think that's true and definitely true in this case. Alex has said on the show she doesn't want to go to rehab. On yesterday's show she was adamant about wanting to be left alone. I can't see her doing it. Now they are trying to force her. She'll probably relapse or get kicked out of a rehab center--didn't that happen once or am I thinking of someone else? I think this is way over Dr Phil's and Brandon's heads. I personally don't care what happens with this family anymore. They need real doctors and lawyers to sort this out if they can. This is becoming a real waste of the viewers' time.
Slayer

Albertville, AL

#34 May 25, 2011
greenwitch wrote:
<quoted text>Someone on another board said intervention doesn't work for everyone. I think that's true and definitely true in this case. Alex has said on the show she doesn't want to go to rehab. On yesterday's show she was adamant about wanting to be left alone. I can't see her doing it. Now they are trying to force her. She'll probably relapse or get kicked out of a rehab center--didn't that happen once or am I thinking of someone else? I think this is way over Dr Phil's and Brandon's heads. I personally don't care what happens with this family anymore. They need real doctors and lawyers to sort this out if they can. This is becoming a real waste of the viewers' time.
Brandon completed a rehab stint only to relapse while in college.

I don't see Alexandra successfully completing rehab either, except I don't believe she has the character to ever overcome the same way Brandon has. No matter how long a period her parents force her to stay in rehab using Florida's Marchman Act, she doesn't want to stop. The drug life is her world, but her personality disorder is what keeps drawing her back.

She'll figure out how to be so disruptive and violent that the facility will have to release her. Unfortunately, there may not be enough evidence to imprison her if she's released from rehab.

Many of Dr. Phil's regular audience post on his message board that Alex needs to be a mother to her children, have they forgotten Alex has already lost legal custody of her two oldest, Nathan and Leilah, and only the youngest, baby Tony's custody has not been settled. Erin and Marty along with a Dr. Phil-paid for attorney are trying to gain legal custody of him as well. I heard Alex say on today's show transcript that she went to her parents' house on Mother's Day to see her son -- singular -- guess she meant baby Tony only. Soon, from a legal viewpoint, Alex won't be a mother to any children, until she squirts another one.

I've been asked why I post so much about this girl -- I am just incensed at how many people are so easily manipulated by the likes of this tramp. Alex is exactly the kind of person who receives so much while being completely undeserving. Perfect example of how life is not fair!
greenwitch

Saint Paul, MN

#35 May 25, 2011
Slayer wrote:
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Brandon completed a rehab stint only to relapse while in college.
I don't see Alexandra successfully completing rehab either, except I don't believe she has the character to ever overcome the same way Brandon has. No matter how long a period her parents force her to stay in rehab using Florida's Marchman Act, she doesn't want to stop. The drug life is her world, but her personality disorder is what keeps drawing her back.
She'll figure out how to be so disruptive and violent that the facility will have to release her. Unfortunately, there may not be enough evidence to imprison her if she's released from rehab.
Many of Dr. Phil's regular audience post on his message board that Alex needs to be a mother to her children, have they forgotten Alex has already lost legal custody of her two oldest, Nathan and Leilah, and only the youngest, baby Tony's custody has not been settled. Erin and Marty along with a Dr. Phil-paid for attorney are trying to gain legal custody of him as well. I heard Alex say on today's show transcript that she went to her parents' house on Mother's Day to see her son -- singular -- guess she meant baby Tony only. Soon, from a legal viewpoint, Alex won't be a mother to any children, until she squirts another one.
I've been asked why I post so much about this girl -- I am just incensed at how many people are so easily manipulated by the likes of this tramp. Alex is exactly the kind of person who receives so much while being completely undeserving. Perfect example of how life is not fair!
I think you and I are on the same page with a lot of this. She does appear to have the characteristics of a sociopath. If she is, you know they are expert manipulators. We have one who is like a poisonous snake loose in the family and he's busy conning a rich relative, makes me sick. I don't give a damn about this family, but I wonder a) how they will stop Alex from having more kids and b) how Dr Phil doesn't seem to see through her? Did you hear him say he loved her and give her a big hug? Brandon is a completely different kind of person.
taviadove

Camby, IN

#36 May 25, 2011
your right Dr Phil does not have a license to practice anything and neither does Brandon or his mommy! I would love to see someone punch him in the face. Just because he went through rehab doesn't give him the right to storm into other peoples' homes and start demanding what they should do. Yes Alex is a whore and a pill-head and she does not deserve those kids,and my only defense for her is that the Oxy's make you not care about anything,it's like bangin heroin you have no feelings for anyone or anything. It is one of the hardest drugs to get off of and you will do anything to get it. Alex is not ready to give it up yet and until she is no one can help her. Also her sister isn't any better, Dr.Phil told her never to come back or call him B/C she kept walking off the show when she didn't get her way.
Slayer

Albertville, AL

#37 May 25, 2011
greenwitch wrote:
<quoted text>I think you and I are on the same page with a lot of this. She does appear to have the characteristics of a sociopath. If she is, you know they are expert manipulators. We have one who is like a poisonous snake loose in the family and he's busy conning a rich relative, makes me sick. I don't give a damn about this family, but I wonder a) how they will stop Alex from having more kids and b) how Dr Phil doesn't seem to see through her? Did you hear him say he loved her and give her a big hug? Brandon is a completely different kind of person.
Erin has turned off the cell phone so Ms. Alex no longer 'tweets.' Not having a cell phone is going to drive her crazy, she probably hasn't been without one since she has 14 years old. If her parents also stop paying the taxes on her truck and the insurance (but I doubt they'll stop), she's not supposed to drive an uninsured vehicle,(yeah like Alex cares about obeying the law).

Dr. Phil did arrange for Alex to receive an injection for birth that lasts 3-4 months, after that first period I don't know if his office will continue to pay for her birth control, but I suspect they will, knowing the consequences, except will Alex show up to get the injections? She doesn't care about consequences, she's never had to deal with them. Personally I hope during forced rehab she can be forced to have her tubes tied.

Re: Dr. Phil telling Alex he loves her -- I've always thought something was up with that man frequently telling Alex how beautiful, intelligent, and articulate she is...don't recall that he complimented Katherine nearly as often, or at all. Get that he wants to foster self-esteem in her which he believes she doesn't have, but if she's a sociopath, she has self-esteem oozing from every pore of her skin -- all the time!

Besides, just because Dr. Phil has a doctorate in psychology, and at one time had a license to practice, doesn't mean he's not human and just as vulnerable to be manipulated as any other arrogant man!
kitkatz

North Brunswick, NJ

#38 May 25, 2011
taviadove wrote:
your right Dr Phil does not have a license to practice anything and neither does Brandon or his mommy! I would love to see someone punch him in the face. Just because he went through rehab doesn't give him the right to storm into other peoples' homes and start demanding what they should do. Yes Alex is a whore and a pill-head and she does not deserve those kids,and my only defense for her is that the Oxy's make you not care about anything,it's like bangin heroin you have no feelings for anyone or anything. It is one of the hardest drugs to get off of and you will do anything to get it. Alex is not ready to give it up yet and until she is no one can help her. Also her sister isn't any better, Dr.Phil told her never to come back or call him B/C she kept walking off the show when she didn't get her way.
What credentials do these rehab people need anyway? You watch A&E? I agree the person has to want to change and I dont think Brandon's approach was effective for someone like Alex. She may even now be too far gone.
greenwitch

North Brunswick, NJ

#39 May 25, 2011
Slayer wrote:
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Erin has turned off the cell phone so Ms. Alex no longer 'tweets.' Not having a cell phone is going to drive her crazy, she probably hasn't been without one since she has 14 years old. If her parents also stop paying the taxes on her truck and the insurance (but I doubt they'll stop), she's not supposed to drive an uninsured vehicle,(yeah like Alex cares about obeying the law).
Dr. Phil did arrange for Alex to receive an injection for birth that lasts 3-4 months, after that first period I don't know if his office will continue to pay for her birth control, but I suspect they will, knowing the consequences, except will Alex show up to get the injections? She doesn't care about consequences, she's ever had to deal with them. Personally I hope during forced rehab she can be forced to have her tubes tied.
Re: Dr. Phil telling Alex he loves her -- I've always thought something was up with that man frequently telling Alex how beautiful, intelligent, and articulate she is...don't recall that he complimented Katherine nearly as often, or at all. Get that he wants to foster self-esteem in her which he believes she doesn't have, but if she's a sociopath, she has self-esteem oozing from every pore of her skin -- all the time!
Besides, just because Dr. Phil has a doctorate in psychology, and at one time had a license to practice, doesn't mean he's not human and just as vulnerable to be manipulated as any other arrogant man!
Yeah! Yeah! I've been without my cell phone for 2 days and am completely nuts (it got wet!) I'd better get that new one tomorrow or have to get out the drugs, ha ha!
Slayer

Leeds, AL

#40 May 26, 2011
greenwitch wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah! Yeah! I've been without my cell phone for 2 days and am completely nuts (it got wet!) I'd better get that new one tomorrow or have to get out the drugs, ha ha!
Yeah, without a cell phone you'll need a big wad of anti-depressants and anti-anxiety meds. Check the Yellow Pages for the nearest 'Pain Clinic' and have your $200 ready.

Like Erin, I would check Alexandra's Tweeter posts to see if she was still alive, or functional enough to post tweets. Guess that's why her parents continued to pay for her cell phone -- to determine if she was alive somewhere, and reach her from time to time. Really pathetic for all of them to have to live that way. Wonder if Erin sometimes doesn't wish her daughter would overdose and die, at least all this exhausting drama would be over.
greenwitch

North Brunswick, NJ

#41 May 26, 2011
Slayer wrote:
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Yeah, without a cell phone you'll need a big wad of anti-depressants and anti-anxiety meds. Check the Yellow Pages for the nearest 'Pain Clinic' and have your $200 ready.
Like Erin, I would check Alexandra's Tweeter posts to see if she was still alive, or functional enough to post tweets. Guess that's why her parents continued to pay for her cell phone -- to determine if she was alive somewhere, and reach her from time to time. Really pathetic for all of them to have to live that way. Wonder if Erin sometimes doesn't wish her daughter would overdose and die, at least all this exhausting drama would be over.
I guess I don't get on Dr Phil-the phone is here and is charging. What's with the so-called doctor Alex goes to? The Feds were closing down some of these pain clinics in Florida. Marty doesn't want her living in a trailer, he should tell her hurricane season is coming. You notice how they left this open to do a whole new season of shows on this f-cked up family even though throusands of people on the boards are screaming they are sick of them? My neighbor wouldn't miss an episode!

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