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There are 58 comments on the Zap2it.com story from Feb 3, 2009, titled TV Ratings: CBS and FOX Split Monday - 3-D 'Chuck' posts season.... In it, Zap2it.com reports that:

Emily Procter of 'CSI: Miami' Fast National ratings for Monday, Feb. 2, 2009 CBS and FOX waged a tight ratings battle Monday night, with each network claiming a share of victory.

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Dan

Brooklyn, NY

#22 Feb 6, 2009
johnd wrote:
"Chuck" can't seem to decide whether its a comedy or a drama, it doesn't work as both. As for "Medium" there was a time when it was NBC's #1 show, those days seem to be over.
Chuck is a dramedy. Its a drama with high aspects of a comedy, and while never highly rated, NBC will keep it just because of the critical praise. Anyway Medium is still doing great for NBC's 10pm slot, which no other show can do any better in. Medium probably could have still been NBC's #1 show is it wasn't always held until midseason. But it doesn't take much to be NBC's #1 show anyway.
Rena Moretti

Fullerton, CA

#23 Feb 6, 2009
Dan wrote:
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Chuck is a dramedy. Its a drama with high aspects of a comedy, and while never highly rated, NBC will keep it just because of the critical praise. Anyway Medium is still doing great for NBC's 10pm slot, which no other show can do any better in. Medium probably could have still been NBC's #1 show is it wasn't always held until midseason. But it doesn't take much to be NBC's #1 show anyway.
Funny to read that given that critical praise is in proportion of the money NBC is spending to buy that critical praise.

Seriously, it's amazing to me to think anyone wold care about the opinions of critics who pick Friday Night Lights, The Shield, Mad Men, The Office and many, many low-rated shows as being somehow good...

Good reviews means two things: Your show is sunk with the audience and you spent too much money buying those reviews for a show that's sunk.
Dan

Brooklyn, NY

#24 Feb 6, 2009
Rena Moretti wrote:
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Funny to read that given that critical praise is in proportion of the money NBC is spending to buy that critical praise.
Seriously, it's amazing to me to think anyone wold care about the opinions of critics who pick Friday Night Lights, The Shield, Mad Men, The Office and many, many low-rated shows as being somehow good...
Good reviews means two things: Your show is sunk with the audience and you spent too much money buying those reviews for a show that's sunk.
Networks have over emphasized what critics think for a while now, Especially NBC. It seems NBC cares more about being acclaimed than getting high ratings. So in other words NBC wants to have more clever and smarter programming that gets them awards rather than money and viewership. CBS on the other hand could care less about getting awards and having critically acclaimed shows. They do once in a while and its great but its more important to get high ratings, which CBS does very much.
Rena Moretti

Fullerton, CA

#25 Feb 7, 2009
Dan wrote:
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Networks have over emphasized what critics think for a while now, Especially NBC. It seems NBC cares more about being acclaimed than getting high ratings. So in other words NBC wants to have more clever and smarter programming that gets them awards rather than money and viewership. CBS on the other hand could care less about getting awards and having critically acclaimed shows. They do once in a while and its great but its more important to get high ratings, which CBS does very much.
In other words, Jeff Zucker has staked his career on getting good press at the expense of shareholder value and the GE board lets him get away with it.

Is it any surprise that the GE stock price has taken huge tumbles ever since Jack Welsh left (and Jeff Zucker's ascent started).

Relying on critics is a lot easier than getting ratings as critics are sure to love what every body else hates and of you have the PR budget to back it up you can get any award you want.
Dan

Brooklyn, NY

#26 Feb 7, 2009
Rena Moretti wrote:
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In other words, Jeff Zucker has staked his career on getting good press at the expense of shareholder value and the GE board lets him get away with it.
Is it any surprise that the GE stock price has taken huge tumbles ever since Jack Welsh left (and Jeff Zucker's ascent started).
Relying on critics is a lot easier than getting ratings as critics are sure to love what every body else hates and of you have the PR budget to back it up you can get any award you want.
Thats pretty much right on the money. It seems easier to rely on critical acclaim because its harder to get a lot of viewers than it is to write clever dialogue. Anyone can put together a 30 Rock, or Damages, or Friday Night Lights to get critics to love them and give them awards but its difficult to get viewers to follow these shows.
Alan 59

Schenectady, NY

#27 Feb 8, 2009
Dan wrote:
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Anyone can put together a 30 Rock...
If that's true, Dan, then you really should move to Los Angeles (Rena might even be willing to put you up for awhile), sell a couple of your comedies to various networks, and get rich. If that happens, I volunteer to edit your scripts and fix all of the "there," "their," and "they're" mistakes that will appear in them for free. Just fax them to me, and I'll do that as fast as I can read.

Then again, maybe not everyone is as smart and funny as Tina Fey is. I didn't notice Seth MacFarlane getting magazine covers for his dead-on Rush Limbaugh impression this fall.
Alan 59

Schenectady, NY

#28 Feb 8, 2009
Fakeem wrote:
Is "Medium" the first show in the post "Heroes" timeslot to increase upon ratings? If not, can someone give me a history of the ratings for the post "Heroes" programs?
Yes, indeed, it is. That was a good catch on the part of yourself and Eric.

The programs that have followed "Heroes," all of which had lower viewerships, are as follows:

Season One: "Studio 60 On The Sunset Strip," "Friday Night Lights" (once), "The Black Donnellys" (twice), "The Real Wedding Crashers" (thrice), and "Law And Order: Criminal Intent" (twice).

Season Two: "Journeyman" and one episode of "Life."

Season Three: "Life" (twice) and "My Own Worst Enemy." This past Monday is the first time that "Medium" has followed "Heroes."
Rena Moretti

Fullerton, CA

#29 Feb 8, 2009
Alan 59 wrote:
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If that's true, Dan, then you really should move to Los Angeles (Rena might even be willing to put you up for awhile), sell a couple of your comedies to various networks, and get rich. If that happens, I volunteer to edit your scripts and fix all of the "there," "their," and "they're" mistakes that will appear in them for free. Just fax them to me, and I'll do that as fast as I can read.
Then again, maybe not everyone is as smart and funny as Tina Fey is. I didn't notice Seth MacFarlane getting magazine covers for his dead-on Rush Limbaugh impression this fall.
Interestingly, if you're a famous writer you don't need to spell. It's only if you're starting out that presentation and spelling counts.

I'm not sure it's actually easier to make a bad show that the critics will adore, but certainly it looks like a lot of executives love that kind of show, especially at NBC.
Dan

Brooklyn, NY

#30 Feb 8, 2009
Rena Moretti wrote:
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Interestingly, if you're a famous writer you don't need to spell. It's only if you're starting out that presentation and spelling counts.
I'm not sure it's actually easier to make a bad show that the critics will adore, but certainly it looks like a lot of executives love that kind of show, especially at NBC.
Since theres not a lot of shows now getting good ratings except for CBS, it seems that its easier to put together a 30 Rock with an all star cast and make it look good. I probably couldn't but if you put the right writers and actors together and also a good setting, than theres your 30 Rock there. But will it attract viewers....probably not.
Dan

Brooklyn, NY

#31 Feb 8, 2009
Alan 59 wrote:
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Yes, indeed, it is. That was a good catch on the part of yourself and Eric.
The programs that have followed "Heroes," all of which had lower viewerships, are as follows:
Season One: "Studio 60 On The Sunset Strip," "Friday Night Lights" (once), "The Black Donnellys" (twice), "The Real Wedding Crashers" (thrice), and "Law And Order: Criminal Intent" (twice).
Season Two: "Journeyman" and one episode of "Life."
Season Three: "Life" (twice) and "My Own Worst Enemy." This past Monday is the first time that "Medium" has followed "Heroes."
medium is the first and only show to do well in that ratings challenged slot. Most of those shows that followed Heroes were new series, which probably shouldnt have been there in the first place (Studio 60, Black Donnellys, Journeyman, My Own Worst Enemy). What NBC should have done is left Medium there or moved Criminal Intent there when it was airing, and problem solved. NBC's monday night 10pm death slot is the same situation as CBS's tuesday night 10pm death slot. If NBC keeps putting new shows after Heroes they will fail, but put an established show there and it will do well.
Thorny

Decatur, IL

#32 Feb 8, 2009
Thanks, Alan, for your research. I had forgotten about Journeyman, which I actually watched and enjoyed. Nice to know that Medium still has a faithful audience that doesn't mind waiting a ton of time for the new season to start.
Fakeem

Washington, DC

#33 Feb 9, 2009
Thanks people for the listing of failed shows, but i can't believe that L&O:CI lost ratings after Heroes. Was that what caused D'Onofrio to lose it and be replaced by Noth?
Thorny

Decatur, IL

#34 Feb 9, 2009
No, I think D-O was half-way down that slippery slope long before that episode aired. :P
Dan

Brooklyn, NY

#35 Feb 9, 2009
Now NBC won't have to worry about any post Heroes ratings because starting next season they have Jay Leno in that slot. Hopefully they can still keep Medium though.

Since: Feb 09

Mesa, AZ

#36 Feb 9, 2009
Personally I love Heroes and feel its a much better show then The Biggest Looser
Thorny

Decatur, IL

#37 Feb 9, 2009
That looped footage of a yule log burning that you can download as a screensaver is a better show than The Biggest Loser.

As for Heroes, I prefer watching the entire season on DVD, since it doesn't seem so disjointed that way. Also, it's on opposite The Closer.:P
Dan

Brooklyn, NY

#38 Feb 9, 2009
Any show, especially a serial drama is better watchin it on the DVDs b/c u can watch it one after the otha.
Rena Moretti

Rosemead, CA

#39 Feb 10, 2009
Dan wrote:
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Since theres not a lot of shows now getting good ratings except for CBS, it seems that its easier to put together a 30 Rock with an all star cast and make it look good. I probably couldn't but if you put the right writers and actors together and also a good setting, than theres your 30 Rock there. But will it attract viewers....probably not.
It takes a certain kind of talent to identify the bad writers, producers and directors that'll make the viewers flee. ;)

That's why Ronald D. Moore is getting the Big Bucks! ;)
Rena Moretti

Rosemead, CA

#40 Feb 10, 2009
Dan wrote:
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medium is the first and only show to do well in that ratings challenged slot. Most of those shows that followed Heroes were new series, which probably shouldnt have been there in the first place (Studio 60, Black Donnellys, Journeyman, My Own Worst Enemy). What NBC should have done is left Medium there or moved Criminal Intent there when it was airing, and problem solved. NBC's monday night 10pm death slot is the same situation as CBS's tuesday night 10pm death slot. If NBC keeps putting new shows after Heroes they will fail, but put an established show there and it will do well.
How about putting a good show there? I guess I'd count Studio 60 as a good show, but if you look back, it was getting the same ratings Heroes is getting now.

To be fair, NBC hyped Studio 60 almost as much as Heroes way back then (but not with the same flair) and Studio 60 suffered from Aaron Sorkin's tendency to over-extend stories over many more episodes than is really needed. I don't mind it so much because I really like his writing but I think the very slow pace of a lot of the stories didn't help keep more people watching.
Rena Moretti

Rosemead, CA

#41 Feb 10, 2009
Thorny wrote:
That looped footage of a yule log burning that you can download as a screensaver is a better show than The Biggest Loser.
As for Heroes, I prefer watching the entire season on DVD, since it doesn't seem so disjointed that way. Also, it's on opposite The Closer.:P
Don't give them ideas!!!! ;)

Coming soon on NBC's 9pm slot: The Burning Log show, hailed by Ben Silverman as the ultimate in lower-budgeted television. This edgy show, made of one continuous unmoving shot of a burning log (as directorial touch that reminds one of Friday Night Light's genius camera work daring) only cost $1.5 million an episode!

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