Seth MacFarlane Engages in Transphobia to Defend his Transphobia

Aug 12, 2010 Full story: www.womanist-musings.com 41

If you look up the term fauxgressive, I am quite sure MacFarlane's face would be front and center. He says all of the right bullshit, but when it is time for him to earn money, the man has no problem pushing every ism that he can think of. Some would say that he picks on everyone and that this therefore makes his television shows acceptable, but if you really study "The Cleveland Show" and "The Family Guy," you will notice that the people he seems to pick on the most, constitute the most marginalized in society. When marginalized people complain about the way they are portrayed on MacFarlane's shows, we are told that we are being to sensitive and that it is just a joke. Why take any of it seriously, they are after all just cartoon characters right?

MacFarlane recently gave an interview to Details magazine and in it he discussed the negative reaction of the GLBT community to his latest trans episode.

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Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#21 Jan 23, 2013
You aren't missing much! Family guy is the stupidest thing to ever come down the aerial wire. It's about a family that gives new meaning to dysfunctional. A talking dog, who is liberal and drives his own Prius. A talking baby with a head like a football, with a upper class British accent. An abused daughter, a fat blob of humanity, and not much else, for a son. A fat, stupid Irishman for a father and a half Jewish MILF for a mother. The plots are assinine and make no sense. What there is to this "show" that attracts people to it, I can't fathom. Don't waste your time!
Regards, Terri
Frank Stanton wrote:
I never heard of MacFarlane. I never heard of his shows. Gues I'm not missing anything.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#23 Jan 23, 2013
Don't you realize that all terms are made up? Virginia Prince coined the word Transgender (lat. Trans-cross gender-sex) to try to clarify this condition. What did Eugon Bleuler have in mind when he coined the term Schizophrenia?
Regards, Terri
eric cartman wrote:
Trans gender is a made up term
. A man made made up term that really doesn't exists. Its a politically correct made up term to make others feel better about what they do. but naturally it doesn't exists
eric cartman

United States

#24 Jan 23, 2013
TerryE wrote:
Don't you realize that all terms are made up? Virginia Prince coined the word Transgender (lat. Trans-cross gender-sex) to try to clarify this condition. What did Eugon Bleuler have in mind when he coined the term Schizophrenia?
Regards, Terri
<quoted text>
yes but schizophrenia is a condition that really exist. Transgender is a term for something that really doesn't Exist that's what I am saying I am not speaking terms generally. I am talking about terms that are made up for made up conditions
seth macfarlane

United States

#25 Jan 23, 2013
TerryE wrote:
You aren't missing much! Family guy is the stupidest thing to ever come down the aerial wire. It's about a family that gives new meaning to dysfunctional. A talking dog, who is liberal and drives his own Prius. A talking baby with a head like a football, with a upper class British accent. An abused daughter, a fat blob of humanity, and not much else, for a son. A fat, stupid Irishman for a father and a half Jewish MILF for a mother. The plots are assinine and make no sense. What there is to this "show" that attracts people to it, I can't fathom. Don't waste your time!
Regards, Terri
<quoted text>
you know she's a closet watcher. She loves the show and she loves me

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#26 Jan 23, 2013
Yeah right! I was going crazy all my life over nothing. It didn't really exist! Fancy that! Who are you to say what exists and doesn't exist? Especially when the AMA, APA, an WHO and surprisingly the Govt of Iran. Iran treats this condition with great respect. A Fatwa was issued by Ayatollah Khomeini insisting that Allah created this and since then Iran has been underwriting the costs of the operations. It exists all right, and I've got it.
I didn't ask for it, I don't want it but I can't make it go away. It kinda F**ks up my life. I've tried ignoring it, but it won't let me ignore it. The only answer is Transition.
Regards, Terri
eric cartman wrote:
<quoted text>yes but schizophrenia is a condition that really exist. Transgender is a term for something that really doesn't Exist that's what I am saying I am not speaking terms generally. I am talking about terms that are made up for made up conditions

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#27 Jan 23, 2013
I'll admit to watching it more than a few times, but I was always hoping for a redeeming factor. It never came. And I saw the one where Glenn's (The Pilot) father, transitioned. That was one of the better ones. No, I don't love it! I think most of it is stupid and I'm sorry that some people find it so attractive.
Regards, Terri
seth macfarlane wrote:
<quoted text>you know she's a closet watcher. She loves the show and she loves me

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#29 Jan 23, 2013
TerryE wrote:
You aren't missing much! Family guy is the stupidest thing to ever come down the aerial wire. It's about a family that gives new meaning to dysfunctional. A talking dog, who is liberal and drives his own Prius. A talking baby with a head like a football, with a upper class British accent. An abused daughter, a fat blob of humanity, and not much else, for a son. A fat, stupid Irishman for a father and a half Jewish MILF for a mother. The plots are assinine and make no sense. What there is to this "show" that attracts people to it, I can't fathom. Don't waste your time!
Regards, Terri
<quoted text>
Wow, you sure do seem to know a lot about it for someone who doesn't watch it.

It is satire. Kind of crude, but satire the same. He makes fun of everyone. He makes loads of brutal gay jokes, but those are MY favorites, for they usually sort of ring true. Relax and have some fun with it.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#30 Jan 23, 2013
TerryE wrote:
I'll admit to watching it more than a few times, but I was always hoping for a redeeming factor. It never came. And I saw the one where Glenn's (The Pilot) father, transitioned. That was one of the better ones. No, I don't love it! I think most of it is stupid and I'm sorry that some people find it so attractive.
Regards, Terri
<quoted text>
No one finds them attractive, they are horrible people, but on occasion, they DO show support or even love for one another, but even in the context of the show, they mention that this will all be forgotten in a week.

Think of many fictional characters. They are usually horribly flawed, if they weren't it would be a really boring story or film or tv show. Do you really think "The Honeymooners" were lovely people? Ralph was one step away from wife beating. Alice was hopeless and mean and bitter. Ed Norton was a bumbling idiot, his wife a blob of horrible acting. Yet they are beloved by almost anyone who has seen the show.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#31 Jan 23, 2013
I remember the "Honeymooners" and I didn't like it then and I don't like any better now. Gleason had funnier things IMO. It was the whole ambiance of the show. Too, I don't know... There were other, funnier comedians. But even Gleason was funnier than the inanety of family guy. I'm Irish and I don't enjoy seeing the Irish put down like this. It's stupid and that's all I'm going to say.
Regards, Terri
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>No one finds them attractive, they are horrible people, but on occasion, they DO show support or even love for one another, but even in the context of the show, they mention that this will all be forgotten in a week.
Think of many fictional characters. They are usually horribly flawed, if they weren't it would be a really boring story or film or tv show. Do you really think "The Honeymooners" were lovely people? Ralph was one step away from wife beating. Alice was hopeless and mean and bitter. Ed Norton was a bumbling idiot, his wife a blob of horrible acting. Yet they are beloved by almost anyone who has seen the show.
eric cartman

United States

#32 Jan 23, 2013
TerryE wrote:
Yeah right! I was going crazy all my life over nothing. It didn't really exist! Fancy that! Who are you to say what exists and doesn't exist? Especially when the AMA, APA, an WHO and surprisingly the Govt of Iran. Iran treats this condition with great respect. A Fatwa was issued by Ayatollah Khomeini insisting that Allah created this and since then Iran has been underwriting the costs of the operations. It exists all right, and I've got it.
I didn't ask for it, I don't want it but I can't make it go away. It kinda F**ks up my life. I've tried ignoring it, but it won't let me ignore it. The only answer is Transition.
Regards, Terri
<quoted text>
I think you need counseling
eric cartman

United States

#33 Jan 23, 2013
By the way. South park is the best show on t v

Since: May 12

Bellevue, WA

#34 Jan 23, 2013
eric cartman wrote:
<quoted text>I think you need counseling
He stupid... kill yourself before you breed... please
eric cartman

United States

#35 Jan 23, 2013
Lililth_Satans_Bore wrote:
<quoted text>He stupid... kill yourself before you breed... please
you need not only counseling but how to learn to spell
Dr Mantis Toboggan

AOL

#36 Jan 24, 2013
Family Guy is kind of hit or miss to me; often it's very funny, often it's just an self-satisfied stupidity, but the actual episode in question (over two years ago, by the way) I found to be pretty funny. I guess the problem some transgender people had with it was Brian's reaction? I've always been amazed at how narrow some people look at the world, as if a stupid animated sitcom is supposed to be an exemplar of righteousness at all times and for all people. Not just the show, either, but the individual characters, too. I remember years ago finding myself on a forum for the older animated series King of the Hill, a much tamer show than Family Guy. For those who don't know, the main character's neighbor was Laotian and a pompous jerk. Well, some other Laotian on this board figured that this was out and out racism. It struck me as bizarre that this person seemed to be saying that anything less than ideal characterization was somehow racist. That mindset doesn't allow characters to be even remotely real. That's kind of how a feel about this whole Family Guy/transgender thing. Any people that see themselves as (self-appointed) guardians of a cause or community need 100% support/deference to their view, all or nothing. MacFarlane had the audacity to balance his public support for LGBT causes with a barfing dog and the less-than-supportive son of a transgender man. Frankly, the subject was handled with some nuance by Family Guy standards. I have no idea of the struggles transgendered people face, but a cartoon really isn't one of them. Plus, they can use a remote control and change the channel like the rest of us.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#38 Jan 24, 2013
And I do change the channel! Terri
Dr Mantis Toboggan wrote:
Family Guy is kind of hit or miss to me; often it's very funny, often it's just an self-satisfied stupidity, but the actual episode in question (over two years ago, by the way) I found to be pretty funny. I guess the problem some transgender people had with it was Brian's reaction? I've always been amazed at how narrow some people look at the world, as if a stupid animated sitcom is supposed to be an exemplar of righteousness at all times and for all people. Not just the show, either, but the individual characters, too. I remember years ago finding myself on a forum for the older animated series King of the Hill, a much tamer show than Family Guy. For those who don't know, the main character's neighbor was Laotian and a pompous jerk. Well, some other Laotian on this board figured that this was out and out racism. It struck me as bizarre that this person seemed to be saying that anything less than ideal characterization was somehow racist. That mindset doesn't allow characters to be even remotely real. That's kind of how a feel about this whole Family Guy/transgender thing. Any people that see themselves as (self-appointed) guardians of a cause or community need 100% support/deference to their view, all or nothing. MacFarlane had the audacity to balance his public support for LGBT causes with a barfing dog and the less-than-supportive son of a transgender man. Frankly, the subject was handled with some nuance by Family Guy standards. I have no idea of the struggles transgendered people face, but a cartoon really isn't one of them. Plus, they can use a remote control and change the channel like the rest of us.
Kenny

Littleton, CO

#40 Jan 24, 2013
eric cartman wrote:
Trans gender is a made up term
. A man made made up term that really doesn't exists. Its a politically correct made up term to make others feel better about what they do. but naturally it doesn't exists
All terms are made up but in this case sex changing is a natural phenomenon in other species

“Don't steal my happy”

Since: Aug 12

Shelbyville, Ky.

#41 Jan 24, 2013
Personally I'm a big fan of almost all cartoons. Everything from Muppet Babies to Aeon Flux, Looney Toons to South Park, Rainbow Brite to Beavis and Butthead. They're imaginative, fun, creative, and very often ridiculous, but are uniquely and purposefully so. Family Guy, and the others like it are none of these. It's lazy, pointless humor presented in a lazy, pointless way. Over the years I've only ever seen clips, bits and pieces of these shows. That's all I've ever been able to make it through. They don't appeal to me. So I don't watch them, and consequently I'm not offended by them. Period.
Rick

AOL

#42 Jan 24, 2013
Angel Diva wrote:
Personally I'm a big fan of almost all cartoons. Everything from Muppet Babies to Aeon Flux, Looney Toons to South Park, Rainbow Brite to Beavis and Butthead. They're imaginative, fun, creative, and very often ridiculous, but are uniquely and purposefully so. Family Guy, and the others like it are none of these. It's lazy, pointless humor presented in a lazy, pointless way. Over the years I've only ever seen clips, bits and pieces of these shows. That's all I've ever been able to make it through. They don't appeal to me. So I don't watch them, and consequently I'm not offended by them. Period.

I agree with the last bit, but South Park is about as low brow as they come. Funny at times, to be sure, but sophisticated humor it is not. Family Guy might not be your cup of tea and you have every right to feel that way, but it does seem a bit odd to me to profess your liking of South Park at the same time you're criticizing Family Guy for being lazy and pointless. Nothing wrong with liking one and disliking the other; it's all a subjective matter of taste, just struck me as interesting.

“Don't steal my happy”

Since: Aug 12

Shelbyville, Ky.

#43 Jan 25, 2013
Rick wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with the last bit, but South Park is about as low brow as they come. Funny at times, to be sure, but sophisticated humor it is not. Family Guy might not be your cup of tea and you have every right to feel that way, but it does seem a bit odd to me to profess your liking of South Park at the same time you're criticizing Family Guy for being lazy and pointless. Nothing wrong with liking one and disliking the other; it's all a subjective matter of taste, just struck me as interesting.
I was aware of, and very much expecting this response when I listed South Park. The reasons I find entertainment value in South Park and not Family Guy are simple. As I stated before, Family Guy's humor is lazy. Meaning, the writers quickly choose a "group" to make fun of, and then lazily throw together random, stereotypical, worn out jokes about them. The difference with South Park is that the writers there don't Find a "group" to make fun of, but instead use social issues, and stereotypes, that may sometimes be the ones surrounding a group, to make fun of. So instead of making stereotypical jokes, they make fun of the stereotypical jokes and the people who make them. A process that involves a lot more thought and originality than just making more of the same old jokes. Not to mention that they do it with a real determination. Is the humor of South Park rude and raunchy? Absolutely. But purposefully so. And do I sometimes feel wrong or dirty for having watched a certain episode? Yep. But that's because it caused me to think, because it was written with intelligence. And I believe my point is further proven by the fact that South Park can only be shown on cable, whereas Family Guy is shown on menial network television. Professional vs. Amateur.
Rick

AOL

#44 Mar 19, 2013
Forgive the extreme lateness of my reply, I just wanted to congratulate you on putting more thought into South Park than Trey Parker and Matt Stone usually do. While we all have a tendency to feel that we need to justify our likes and dislikes to other people, doing so doesn't amount to an objective analysis of those things. It's human nature to dismiss things we don't like and find some intrinsic brilliance in things that we do like, but our feelings don't make it so. You're free to like South Park as much as you want and for whatever reasons you want, and you have no obligation to justify yourself to anyone else, but don't try to dress it up as something sophisticated, purposeful, or clever. I've watched it, I enjoy it, it's none of those things. As for not picking out a group and making fun of them, uh...Mormons? Twenty minutes of calling Mormons dumb followed by a tacked on thirty seconds of "yeah, we're dumb, alright, but we love each other" should hardly pass for purposeful, clever comedy, should it? You also have a rather odd notion of some inherent sophistication of the basic cable world. Comedy Central ain't HBO; if anything the reverse of what you said is true. For the most part, network shows have viewerships that basic cable shows could only dream of, along with the attendant pressures of maintaining those viewerships. Truth be told, I like both South Park and Family Guy, but I take them for what they are and, because of their crassness, I have little real affection for either. To reiterate, like what you like, just don't pee on my hat and tell me it's raining.

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