Bill Nye warns: Creation views threaten US science

Sep 24, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: SFGate

In this Feb. 7, 2012, file photo, President Barack Obama shakes hands with Bill Nye during an event in the East Room of the White House in Washington.

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Johny

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The remaining nearby people, he allowed Israel to purchase them as slaves – a sign of God’s displeasure and judgment. Yes, they were allowed to punish the slaves but there were some restrictions. The master was to be punished if a slave was killed, though if he lived a couple days he would not be punished – though most probably a judge would evaluate the case (Lev. 19:15; Deut. 17:8,9). Significantly hurting the slave would bring their automatic freedom. Exodus 21: 26,27 says:

"If a man strikes the eye of his male or female servant, and destroys it, he shall let him go free for the sake of his eye. And if he knocks out the tooth of his male or female servant, he shall let him go free for the sake of his tooth."

The Indentured servant system served the purpose of being the safety net for the very poor in Israel (Lev. 25: 39).

"And if one of your brethren who dwells by you becomes poor, and sells himself to you, you shall not compel him to serve as a slave. As a hired servant and a sojourner he shall be with you, and shall serve you until the year of Jubilee. And then he shall depart from you-he and his children with him-and shall return to his own family. He shall return to the possession of his fathers. For they are my servants whom I brought out of the land of Egypt; they shall not be sold as slaves. You shall not rule over him with rigor, but you shall fear your God."

There was also the right to redeem oneself from being a slave or a relative could do it (Lev. 25:47-55).

In the New Testament, the Theocracy was done away with (Mat. 22:21). Although slavery was part of Roman society at the time, which is acknowledged, the New Testament does not encourage it. The book Philemon is a case in point where Paul talks about an escaped slave:

"For perhaps he departed for a while for this purpose, that you might receive him forever, no longer as a slave but more than a slave – a beloved brother, especially to me but how much more to you, both in the flesh and in the Lord." There are other passages too. This is why President Lincoln and other Evangelicals rose up during the time and fought against slavery. We should not forget Wilberforce another Evangelical in England.

The high standard that God imposes in the Old Testament was to show us our sin, for without law we did not comprehend our sinfulness (Rom. 7:7-12; Gal. 3:24). It was to show our need of God and cause us to see our slavery and cry out to God (Gal. 4:1-7; Rom. 3:19,20). So we must remember man’s condition before God – we are dead in our sins and deserve death immediately to satisfy the justice of God (Rom. 6:23, Ps. 45:7). But God is gracious and tolerates us and our sin as he waits for His family of believers to be revealed (Rom. 9:22-29,2 Pet. 3:15, John 17:20-26).

We should not forget the warning (2 Thes. 1:6-10):
"Since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you <Believers> and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed."

God defines goodness and not you. God defines justice for he is the creator of all things! Let us respond to His grace and believe!
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Johny wrote:
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Thanks for the response.[Part 1]
Who are you to say what is immoral or moral? Do you not think that it is silly for you a mere mortal to dictate to God, the Creator of the universe, what is right or wrong. Does not God have the right to tell us his standards
Hey, you think you have the right to tell Him evolution's wrong, and He's the one who created it.(shrug)

Somehow I don't think the penny will drop with this one...

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Johny wrote:
Nuggin,
Thanks for the response.[Part 1]
Who are you to say what is immoral or moral? Do you not think that it is silly for you a mere mortal to dictate to God, the Creator of the universe, <<SNIPPED>>[Part 1]
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....Soooooooo....God (per the Bible) DOES justify slavery as being morally acceptable.

Thank you for clearing that up.
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....Soooooooo....God (per the Bible) DOES justify slavery as being morally acceptable.
Thank you for clearing that up.
Yup. For he is the big cheese and might is right. Anyone else can go to hell.

Creationists call this "morality".

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Yup. For he is the big cheese and might is right. Anyone else can go to hell.
Creationists call this "morality".
Rex Kramer: "I know. I know. But it's his ship now, his command; he's in charge, he's the boss, the head man, the top dog, the big cheese, the head honcho, number one..."

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Johny sure is different , he isn't at all like Xinvidor , but heck Texas is a big state.

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Johny wrote:
Nuggin,
Thanks for the response.[Part 1]
Who are you to say what is immoral or moral? Do you not think that it is silly for you a mere mortal to dictate to God, the Creator of the universe, what is right or wrong.
You are starting with several false assumptions here.

The first is that I am incapable of determining if something is moral or not. That's incorrect.

I have a set of principles upon which I deem if something is moral or immoral. At the most basic level is what you would call the "golden rule". Do I want that to happen to me? No? Then it's immoral to cause it to happen to other people.

Now, you can arrive at a different set of moral through a different set of principles. For example: Utilitarians believe "whatever does the most good for the most people" is moral.

As such, I would come to different conclusions than they would.

You seem to be operating under a third set of morality - "3rd Party Morality". This is where someone else tells you what is or is not moral, not based on any given principles but based on a set of rules that has been laid down.

This is how people end up saying things like you said earlier "Slavery is sometimes justified". The rest of that sentence, whether you knew it or not, was "because sometimes God says its okay and other times it's not."

The problem with 3rd party morality is that you are incapable of determining if some new issue is moral or immoral without someone else making that determination for you.

For example: Gay marriage. You believe it is immoral because someone says so.

You don't have a valid "golden rule" argument against it. You don't have a valid "utilitarian" argument against it. It is immoral to you because you have been told that it is immoral and that you shouldn't question that decision.

IF you choose to live your life that way, that's fine.

However, here's the BIG problem with 3rd party morality. It's EXTREMELY EASY to tell people who have 3rd party morality to do things which normal people would find immoral simply because "God says so".

"Burn a woman at the stake? Never."
"Well, God says to do it."
"Oh, okay then, let's do it."

That's how Christianity has ended up with ALL its terrible history.
Does not God have the right to tell us his standards
That's 3rd party reasoning and it leads to trouble.
God was offended by the wicked people and had Israel destroy many of them. Again, I should remind you that God has a right to destroy us all for our sin and rebellion to God, and it is His mercy to allow us to live
God is supposed to be infinitely powerful, infinitely good and infinitely forgiving.

Are any of those things on display in the God you are describing now?

If wicked people offended you and you could do literally anything about it, why would you response be "get other people to murder to them"? Why not prove yourself to them? Why not change their minds? Why not have your followers be an example for them?

the God you are describing is petty and vindictive. Not someone that deserves worship

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Johny wrote:
God defines goodness and not you. God defines justice for he is the creator of all things! Let us respond to His grace and believe!
That's a load of crap. If anyone can murder anyone else in the name of God, then there's no "goodness". There's just excuses, justifications and do whatever you like.

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Ken Ham the con artist had the audacity to actually address this topic. Here's TheLivingDinosaur's ... well ... reply:

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Revelations wrote:
you are just going by what the norm has been saying for like forever, you have ''faith'' that christ will save you, but you CAN prove all things. Sodom and gomorrah, fact..they have been found..burnt by an extremely hot source, fact the bible says the earth is round in Isaiah 40 i think...fact the bible talks of underwater springs, fact the bible tells the sun has its own orbit in psalms that wasnt known until the 90's. Fact The iceage may have been result of the flood, creating the theorized land bridge, many ground planta have been found fossilized on mountains as well as animals. Fact dinosaurs are mentioned in the bible. Fact early scholars have recorded a ''day of darkness and a great quake'' the day of christs crucifixion. Fact, Nebuchenezzar has been recorded in history of disappearing for 3 years from the public eye. Fact, the bible goes into detail of why he dissappeared book of daniel...the list goes on and on and on.
The so called scientist attempt to pull one of the oldest tricks in the bag, an old attorney's trick. When "you" don't have an argument assault the character of the witness. They do not want to acknowledge God's soverign authority/rule over the universe he created, They try to invalidate his word in order they will not have to submit themselves to him.,their pride is huge part of that.Prov 14:12 " There is a way that seems right to a man but its end is the way of death" Prov 16:18 "Pride goes before destruction." There is a most excellent book where a NASA scientist has written his name is A.O. Schnabel the title of his book is "Has God Spoken" he uses bible passages that explains who earth and the heavens were created and how they work.

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Schnabel is a YEC and he worked for Boeing. He was not a NASA scientists.
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Bill nye is gay
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Revelations wrote:
Pamela, science and the bible go hand in hand. And Subduction...lets see you ''unfulfill'' Daniel 11:41-45, Matthew 24, Hosea 4:1 2 3 4, 2Tim chapter 3, 1Tim chapter 4, Isaiah 17:1. And I have more.
Revelations, you are right science and the bible go hand in hand, one instance in Gen 1:9 it states all the waters of oceans gather in one place, during last century scientist proved all the waters of the oceans originate from one place. Book of Job, Psalms, Proverbs describe how God determined the measurements of the earth, also it states the universe is expanding and it cannot be measured, scientists have confirmed same thing. There are MANY more examples of Bible and science hand in hand.
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Schnabel is a YEC and he worked for Boeing. He was not a NASA scientists.
You read his book and you will see he knows what he is talking about
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Nuggin wrote:
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You are starting with several false assumptions here.
The first is that I am incapable of determining if something is moral or not. That's incorrect.
I have a set of principles upon which I deem if something is moral or immoral. At the most basic level is what you would call the "golden rule". Do I want that to happen to me? No? Then it's immoral to cause it to happen to other people.
Now, you can arrive at a different set of moral through a different set of principles. For example: Utilitarians believe "whatever does the most good for the most people" is moral.
As such, I would come to different conclusions than they would.
You seem to be operating under a third set of morality - "3rd Party Morality". This is where someone else tells you what is or is not moral, not based on any given principles but based on a set of rules that has been laid down.
This is how people end up saying things like you said earlier "Slavery is sometimes justified". The rest of that sentence, whether you knew it or not, was "because sometimes God says its okay and other times it's not."
The problem with 3rd party morality is that you are incapable of determining if some new issue is moral or immoral without someone else making that determination for you.
For example: Gay marriage. You believe it is immoral because someone says so.
You don't have a valid "golden rule" argument against it. You don't have a valid "utilitarian" argument against it. It is immoral to you because you have been told that it is immoral and that you shouldn't question that decision.
IF you choose to live your life that way, that's fine.
However, here's the BIG problem with 3rd party morality. It's EXTREMELY EASY to tell people who have 3rd party morality to do things which normal people would find immoral simply because "God says so".
"Burn a woman at the stake? Never."
"Well, God says to do it."
"Oh, okay then, let's do it."
That's how Christianity has ended up with ALL its terrible history.
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That's 3rd party reasoning and it leads to trouble.
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God is supposed to be infinitely powerful, infinitely good and infinitely forgiving.
Are any of those things on display in the God you are describing now?
If wicked people offended you and you could do literally anything about it, why would you response be "get other people to murder to them"? Why not prove yourself to them? Why not change their minds? Why not have your followers be an example for them?
the God you are describing is petty and vindictive. Not someone that deserves worship
Johnny, a few perfect examples of the futility of we mortals "arguing with God" one just needs togo to Isiah 45:9-13, Job Chap 38, Isiah 55:8-9, Job 42:3,6

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Patriot wrote:
<quoted text> You read his book and you will see he knows what he is talking about
I reviewed his website. He doesn't.
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I reviewed his website. He doesn't.
A web site and the book are 2 different animals. I think you are afraid to read the book, You are a proponent of science, well he shows how science has "confirmed" how the world, etc works according to as how scripture says it works thousands of years ago.
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Bill Nye is a Christian Phobic!!!!!!.

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Patriot wrote:
<quoted text> The so called scientist attempt to pull one of the oldest tricks in the bag, an old attorney's trick. When "you" don't have an argument assault the character of the witness. They do not want to acknowledge God's soverign authority/rule over the universe he created, They try to invalidate his word in order they will not have to submit themselves to him.,their pride is huge part of that.Prov 14:12 " There is a way that seems right to a man but its end is the way of death" Prov 16:18 "Pride goes before destruction." There is a most excellent book where a NASA scientist has written his name is A.O. Schnabel the title of his book is "Has God Spoken" he uses bible passages that explains who earth and the heavens were created and how they work.
This is one of the dumber fundie arguments. And that is saying a lot!
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>Revelations, you are right science and the bible go hand in hand, one instance in Gen 1:9 it states all the waters of oceans gather in one place, during last century scientist proved all the waters of the oceans originate from one place. Book of Job, Psalms, Proverbs describe how God determined the measurements of the earth, also it states the universe is expanding and it cannot be measured, scientists have confirmed same thing. There are MANY more examples of Bible and science hand in hand.
No, the buy-bull is full of crap. It says night and day existed on earth, and plants were growing on earth before there was a sun. We can dismiss it as valid before we get to verse 15!

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