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American Chopper Lawsuit: Paul Teutul Sr. Sues Son Paul Jr.

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Choppman68

Buzzards Bay, MA

#412 Jun 3, 2011
Whiskey Tango wrote:
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I was talking more about Paul Jr. I think Paul Sr. has a strong business sense. This was often the conflict between them. Speaking from my own experience, he seems like the creative dreamer type. He likes to create art more than something practical. In most cases, these types create art for art's sake and tend to forget that it's a business. So, some little piece of sn***h comes around and thinks she knows how to market a bike shop and Jr. being the creative type not the business type agrees. I mean, why not? He gets to create and not worry about the biz. But she ends up running the place in the ground.
My experience in this isn't with bikes but with music.
I guess I must be the "dreamer" type, as I have been playing music for 20 years myself. I love to sit and play guitar for hours, it brings me peace. But as you stated Whiskey, theres been many a woman that have ruined many a great band and great musicians over the years thats for sure. I never was involved in the music biz on any kind of big level or anything, I did play in a few bands when I was younger. Just your basic weekend cover band at the club kind of a deal. But even on that level, the girlfriends/wifes of a few guys over the years definatly would throw a monkey wrench in the plan. Then you would run across the scumbag club owner who wouldnt want to pay you the agreed upon fees. I got to the point were I enloyed band rehearsal more than the actual gigs because of all the drama that always seem to come up after awhile. Finally it got to the point were even playing on the weekends was more of a hassle than anything else. So as much as I enjoy music, I wouldnt ever entertain playing in any kind of band again. Although nyself and a couple buddys of mine get together and just jam for the fun of it. The music buisiness is a brutal place thats for sure
Lola

North Anson, ME

#413 Jun 3, 2011
come on, it doesn't take much of a brain to know that wives and/or girlfriends don't mix when it comes to bands... if your a guy and you want to have a band and play in clubs and you are married or have a girlfriend then i'm sure she isn't happy about it... she may support you in it, and thats a far and few inbetween woman, she ain't really happy about it....
Choppman68

Buzzards Bay, MA

#414 Jun 3, 2011
Lola wrote:
come on, it doesn't take much of a brain to know that wives and/or girlfriends don't mix when it comes to bands... if your a guy and you want to have a band and play in clubs and you are married or have a girlfriend then i'm sure she isn't happy about it... she may support you in it, and thats a far and few inbetween woman, she ain't really happy about it....
I think it depends on the woman, and her mans relationship. I was happily married for over 20 years before my wife passed away at the young age of 42. She fully supported me playing music. But, I will admit that its rare. We had trust, she knew I just loved playing music, and that she was always welcome with me when I played. She did attend most of the time. When we had kids, playing on the weekends and rehearsing took away to much time from my family, and I happily quit playing in bands to devote my non working time completely to my family. It is doable, just rare
Whiskey Tango

Las Vegas, NV

#415 Jun 3, 2011
Choppman68 wrote:
<quoted text> I got to the point were I enloyed band rehearsal more than the actual gigs because of all the drama that always seem to come up after awhile. Finally it got to the point were even playing on the weekends was more of a hassle than anything else. So as much as I enjoy music, I wouldnt ever entertain playing in any kind of band again. Although nyself and a couple buddys of mine get together and just jam for the fun of it. The music buisiness is a brutal place thats for sure
We've drifted off topic but...
I couldn't agree more with this statement, Choppman! I actually had somewhat of a decent career doing what I love. But it was never glamorous nor famous. Things went to s**t when alot of these younger kids, thinking they were going to get their fast track to 15 minutes of fame and began to undercut us. If the club was paying $200, they'd come in and do it for $100, SOMETIMES even free! Then on top if it all, they'd do ALL the promotion work (fliers, spending all day on MySpace blasting the gig, "pay-to-play"). It all but about killed any dream of doing it as a career for some of us older guys.
Lola wrote:
come on, it doesn't take much of a brain to know that wives and/or girlfriends don't mix when it comes to bands... if your a guy and you want to have a band and play in clubs and you are married or have a girlfriend then i'm sure she isn't happy about it... she may support you in it, and thats a far and few inbetween woman, she ain't really happy about it....
It's not necessarily that, Lola. Many have used the line, "I see the potential in your work." When you're infatuated with somebody and have the dreamer attitude, these words are like gold. I've seen the toughest of men (example in one of my previous posts) who legacy brought down by a women who had a "better plan" to make money or expand an enterprise.
Choppman68

Buzzards Bay, MA

#416 Jun 3, 2011
Whiskey Tango wrote:
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We've drifted off topic but...
I couldn't agree more with this statement, Choppman! I actually had somewhat of a decent career doing what I love. But it was never glamorous nor famous. Things went to s**t when alot of these younger kids, thinking they were going to get their fast track to 15 minutes of fame and began to undercut us. If the club was paying $200, they'd come in and do it for $100, SOMETIMES even free! Then on top if it all, they'd do ALL the promotion work (fliers, spending all day on MySpace blasting the gig, "pay-to-play"). It all but about killed any dream of doing it as a career for some of us older guys.
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It's not necessarily that, Lola. Many have used the line, "I see the potential in your work." When you're infatuated with somebody and have the dreamer attitude, these words are like gold. I've seen the toughest of men (example in one of my previous posts) who legacy brought down by a women who had a "better plan" to make money or expand an enterprise.
Yeah nowdays unless your in a super successful established band, its all but impossible to actually make a living playing music. The younger generation arent interested in albums,( guess I show my age there huh? lol ) they only want the instantly downloadable single hit of the day. I can remember when I was young, going to the record store,or reading a magazine to find out the release date of one of my bands albums, then heading to the shop on the release day to get my copy. Then going home and dropping the needle on the turntable, checking out the WHOLE album as I read through the liner notes.( Yes I did, and still do read the liner notes LOL ) Point is, if you really liked a certain band, you supported that band by buying, and listening to the WHOLE album, and you supported music by going to the shows,( which nowdays thats the only way a band can make any money other than merch ) The whole pay to play thing ruined the spirit of bands supporting each others gigs and such. Music became a competition, instead of art at that point
RobertL

AOL

#417 Jun 13, 2011
Sr. been a outstanding father but i think that Jr. and Mikey could sue the old fart for the abusive way he talked to them as employees. What about it is there a lawyer in the house?

Since: Dec 10

El Dorado Hills, CA

#418 Jun 14, 2011
I m not sure Mikey has a leg to stand on. Didn't he go to HP for a tour and destroy some computers? and when they went to the water jet company he destroyed a motorcycle that was in the parking lot that was next to the demo spot - He said I dont care my dad will buy him a new one. I think he went to a guitar or amplifier company and destroy some of thier equipment?? So as for Mikey his dad had to replace items he destroyed. As for jr well what can we say about him? I think thier are laws protecting employees from abuse. I saw him abuse his dad as well. I think they both go 1:1 for the fights and the yelling and the distruction of the facility. I think maybe jr destroyed more doors than anyone. so I think it would be a mute point for them to get a lawyer for employer abuse. I think that is what I remember of what happened. So who is the most at fault and at blame?
RobertL wrote:
Sr. been a outstanding father but i think that Jr. and Mikey could sue the old fart for the abusive way he talked to them as employees. What about it is there a lawyer in the house?

Since: Dec 10

El Dorado Hills, CA

#419 Jun 14, 2011
I can not say that sr has been an out standing father unless you mena he has been outstanding in the door way, waiting for something to happen. Then he is outstanding all right.

Mike and jr can not sue him they have no way they can justify that move.
RobertL wrote:
Sr. been a outstanding father but i think that Jr. and Mikey could sue the old fart for the abusive way he talked to them as employees. What about it is there a lawyer in the house?

Since: Dec 10

El Dorado Hills, CA

#420 Jun 14, 2011
I remember mike doing that he like did not care at all that the poor smuck did not have a ride home that night he just blasted the crap out of that motor cycle. It was a BMW or a Honda road bike with windshield and hard / fiberglass saddled bags. It really did show how well the water jet worked though. I remember jr standing behind him laughing. If it had been me I would have been pissed off and I would have sued them all. I would not care about a new motorcycle. I would be pissed off that someone wrecked my bike no matter what it was. If I had been there and if it was mine I am big enough that I would have put mike on his a$$, and given him a scalping.
Tooth Hurts wrote:
I m not sure Mikey has a leg to stand on. Didn't he go to HP for a tour and destroy some computers? and when they went to the water jet company he destroyed a motorcycle that was in the parking lot that was next to the demo spot - He said I dont care my dad will buy him a new one. I think he went to a guitar or amplifier company and destroy some of thier equipment?? So as for Mikey his dad had to replace items he destroyed. As for jr well what can we say about him? I think thier are laws protecting employees from abuse. I saw him abuse his dad as well. I think they both go 1:1 for the fights and the yelling and the distruction of the facility. I think maybe jr destroyed more doors than anyone. so I think it would be a mute point for them to get a lawyer for employer abuse. I think that is what I remember of what happened. So who is the most at fault and at blame?
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Choppman68

Buzzards Bay, MA

#421 Jun 16, 2011
This topic is in my wheelhouse. It is VERY difficult, if now impossible to sue an employer for verbal abuse. The laws are far to vague on what constitutes verbal abuse, and the accuser has the burden of proof. and in the case of the Teutels, the verbal abuse went both ways, as they all yelled and screamed. Without a Union in place with a contract guranteeing certain protections, in most cases the employer has the upper hand, because the way labor laws are written, there are actually very few instances in which an employee can fight a termination or win any kind of suit against an employer. Basically, the only ways in which an employee has any recourse to a termination, is if, they employee can prove, sexual.racial, or the American disability act is violated. In most states, an employee can be terminated for virtually ANY reason other than those, and in most cases, its very difficult for the employee to prove even if THOSE rules are violated So, as far as any suits by Mikey, he would have no chance. even if SR screamed at him everyday, The fact that Mikey never showed for work on time, and he missed as much work as he was there, he wouldnt have a leg to stand on. Seemed he only showed up when there was a trip planned or an unveil. From what I understand he had to be babysat on the road trips to get him out of the hotel on time to do appearances and unveils. As much as I dont like Jr, and dont think he was a good employee etc. Mike Teutel takes the cake. He EXPECTED his Dad to take care of him, and for all purposes the show made him wealthy, though not as wealthy as his Dad or brother, Hes one of a long line of worthless reality star millionaires who became wealthy for either A; being willing to humiliate themselves, or B; being SUCH a lazy bum, that people would tune in to watch. Just look at his Bio on the Discovery site, its almost as if hes PROUD of the fact that hes a lazy unmotivated buffoon. Check out his Bio sometimes. Its amazing
dee

Bronx, NY

#422 Sep 2, 2011
saddletramp, why don't you actually watch the show before you make stupid comments.I believe it was Jason P. who came up with the "corn cob" design after the group went on a trip to see what was being made from corn.I'm not sure if Jr. was even there.
GeraldP

Las Vegas, NV

#423 Oct 6, 2011
Ok, so let me just say this. I know that this is an old thread and my comment comes after the lawsuit is over, but I have been very frustrated to see Paul Sr's snotty little punk kids cry about how bad their father is. He is what he is and they knew what he was when they started working for him. They can say what they want about the old man, but everything they have has been paid for by money they got from OCC. If Mikey had to live in the real world he would be a washed up, pot smoking, drug addict, loser. The one thing his dad did that hurt him was unintentional and that was by letting Mikey get away with doing absolutely nothing and not just letting him go out in the real world and work for a living or fail.
Am I saying that Sr. isn't a jerk? No, he will be the first to tell you he is, but neither of these litte sh*ts have had to do anything to earn the money they have received from OCC. If they want to leave then so be it, but don't act like you made your money yourself and even if Pauly Jr. has talent he was able to get where he is by working at the company his dad started.
Ok, so I said my two cents worth.
cajun dude

Toledo, OH

#424 Oct 12, 2011
GeraldP wrote:
Ok, so let me just say this. I know that this is an old thread and my comment comes after the lawsuit is over, but I have been very frustrated to see Paul Sr's snotty little punk kids cry about how bad their father is. He is what he is and they knew what he was when they started working for him. They can say what they want about the old man, but everything they have has been paid for by money they got from OCC. If Mikey had to live in the real world he would be a washed up, pot smoking, drug addict, loser. The one thing his dad did that hurt him was unintentional and that was by letting Mikey get away with doing absolutely nothing and not just letting him go out in the real world and work for a living or fail.
Am I saying that Sr. isn't a jerk? No, he will be the first to tell you he is, but neither of these litte sh*ts have had to do anything to earn the money they have received from OCC. If they want to leave then so be it, but don't act like you made your money yourself and even if Pauly Jr. has talent he was able to get where he is by working at the company his dad started.
Ok, so I said my two cents worth.
I was away for a little while myself and just dropped in to check things out.GeraldP's thoughts are just like mine. Sr was the same demanding wanting boss since the show started and I sure before the network picked him up. Why didn't jr and mike quit or leave when. Sr had them with thousands of $$$? They waited till he made them millions. Then Jr sues for even more. I think after the stupid investments jr made, Sr asked the network to include jr anyway possible in the show.he got Vinnie back with jr after Vinnie left the show bc of Jr. I saw the shows and Vinnie complaining about jrs lack of work and responsibility. Mike will come waddling like a sealion back to Sr when his money is gone. Sr will take care of him the same as he has taken care of jr. Hell, Sr is probably doing that now with the show and events leading up the reunion of father and the freak.

“Be good to each other”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#425 Oct 13, 2011
I couldnt agree more with Cajun and GeraldP. Is SR and ass? YES, He has a huge ego and a huge personality. However, JR has an even BIGGER ego and always has. Lets face neither SR Jr or Mikey, are the sharpest knives in the drawer. I will say that they all made a few decisions over time that helped make themselves wealthy. JR and Mikey rode daddy's coat tails for years. The reason Jr had only 20% of OCC was the fact that he was never willing to INVEST his OWN money back into the business, and he never did invest anything, the 20% he had was gifted to him by SR in the hopes that Jr would step up and learn more about the business. Jr wanted no part of that at the time because it would have required him to actually be there and learn something instead of being out chasing every blond haired piece of ass that came along.( anyone ever notice that all his girlfriends have been blond haired and dumb as stumps?) Rachel INCLUDED, remember, it was her brilliant idea to open up a high end boutique in NEWBURGH Ny in a HORRIBLE economy, shows she isnt very bright either. Jr found out that his "skills" werent in much demand unless he had a tv show to promote products. This is the ONLY smart move he ever made. His huge ego made him think that companys would want him to "design" things for them when, the fact was, he has no training or education in design of any kind. Thats the ONLY reason he went back to bikes. He couldnt get any work any other way. And the truth is that without the TV show, he wouldnt have a bike shop. Hell without the show, its debateable whether or not OCC would be around, and if they were, it would be in a much smaller capacity. The only thing keeping Jr afloat is tv, pure and simple.
net

United States

#426 Oct 19, 2011
I feel sorry for paul jr. He is going to be taken to the cleaners by his gold digger wife! She is obviously after his money and he dosent see it. I doubt this marriage will last 5 years! She will be off to her next man.... or maybe just vacation in the islands with all his money! She's as fake as fake can be.she makes me sick! Poor paul, he will learn the hard way.........
net

United States

#427 Oct 19, 2011
Choppman68 wrote:
I couldnt agree more with Cajun and GeraldP. Is SR and ass? YES, He has a huge ego and a huge personality. However, JR has an even BIGGER ego and always has. Lets face neither SR Jr or Mikey, are the sharpest knives in the drawer. I will say that they all made a few decisions over time that helped make themselves wealthy. JR and Mikey rode daddy's coat tails for years. The reason Jr had only 20% of OCC was the fact that he was never willing to INVEST his OWN money back into the business, and he never did invest anything, the 20% he had was gifted to him by SR in the hopes that Jr would step up and learn more about the business. Jr wanted no part of that at the time because it would have required him to actually be there and learn something instead of being out chasing every blond haired piece of ass that came along.( anyone ever notice that all his girlfriends have been blond haired and dumb as stumps?) Rachel INCLUDED, remember, it was her brilliant idea to open up a high end boutique in NEWBURGH Ny in a HORRIBLE economy, shows she isnt very bright either. Jr found out that his "skills" werent in much demand unless he had a tv show to promote products. This is the ONLY smart move he ever made. His huge ego made him think that companys would want him to "design" things for them when, the fact was, he has no training or education in design of any kind. Thats the ONLY reason he went back to bikes. He couldnt get any work any other way. And the truth is that without the TV show, he wouldnt have a bike shop. Hell without the show, its debateable whether or not OCC would be around, and if they were, it would be in a much smaller capacity. The only thing keeping Jr afloat is tv, pure and simple.
I coulnt agree more!your exactly right!
RobertL

AOL

#428 Dec 5, 2011
Hey look we don't have to tell lies to turn people against Jr. and Mikey. chopperbitch needs a good bitch slapping b/c i guanrantee in person he's sisifide mother f-----
cajun dude

Toledo, OH

#429 Dec 6, 2011
net wrote:
I feel sorry for paul jr. He is going to be taken to the cleaners by his gold digger wife! She is obviously after his money and he dosent see it. I doubt this marriage will last 5 years! She will be off to her next man.... or maybe just vacation in the islands with all his money! She's as fake as fake can be.she makes me sick! Poor paul, he will learn the hard way.........
Soooo what you saying is Jr didn't have to train her. He found someone just like him. Maybe they deserve each other.

“Be good to each other”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#430 Dec 6, 2011
cajun dude wrote:
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Soooo what you saying is Jr didn't have to train her. He found someone just like him. Maybe they deserve each other.
Hey Cajun! How ya been? Good I hope, Its amazing how people can personally attack other people on a forum LOL. Most of them that call people names really have no idea whos on the other end of the computer. That said, what have you thought about this 3 way build off?
Saddledup

El Dorado Hills, CA

#431 Dec 6, 2011
Dude, You hit the nail on the head again. I am with you in your thoughts. As always jr is just that jr. He will never be anything but jr. Because he can not step up and be a senior at anything.

If he wants to be taken seriously he needs to not be known as a junior.... Any type of Junior.... He will need to become somthing other than a junior...

If ya know what I mean.....
Choppman68 wrote:
I couldnt agree more with Cajun and GeraldP. Is SR and ass? YES, He has a huge ego and a huge personality. However, JR has an even BIGGER ego and always has. Lets face neither SR Jr or Mikey, are the sharpest knives in the drawer. I will say that they all made a few decisions over time that helped make themselves wealthy. JR and Mikey rode daddy's coat tails for years. The reason Jr had only 20% of OCC was the fact that he was never willing to INVEST his OWN money back into the business, and he never did invest anything, the 20% he had was gifted to him by SR in the hopes that Jr would step up and learn more about the business. Jr wanted no part of that at the time because it would have required him to actually be there and learn something instead of being out chasing every blond haired piece of ass that came along.( anyone ever notice that all his girlfriends have been blond haired and dumb as stumps?) Rachel INCLUDED, remember, it was her brilliant idea to open up a high end boutique in NEWBURGH Ny in a HORRIBLE economy, shows she isnt very bright either. Jr found out that his "skills" werent in much demand unless he had a tv show to promote products. This is the ONLY smart move he ever made. His huge ego made him think that companys would want him to "design" things for them when, the fact was, he has no training or education in design of any kind. Thats the ONLY reason he went back to bikes. He couldnt get any work any other way. And the truth is that without the TV show, he wouldnt have a bike shop. Hell without the show, its debateable whether or not OCC would be around, and if they were, it would be in a much smaller capacity. The only thing keeping Jr afloat is tv, pure and simple.

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