Congress sees immigration overhaul this year; Obama will make pitch in Las Vegas speech

teddyr4me wrote:

<quoted text> "Illegal immigrants crossing the U.S.-Mexico border can expect to pay anywhere from $1,500 to $3,500, sometimes less or more depending on the smuggler." How do you explain their ability to come up with these fees? Something is amiss with your theory.
http://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/alien-smu...

There is nothing amiss with my theory, they find someone who will lend them the money.And FYI there are people who come without a coyote. Why would you repeatedly pay money to get denied? You would be throwing hard earned away. It is much easier to make money here. A person would be more willing to lend someone money knowing there is a better chance they will get it back. Sure it is a lot of money, but there is a better chance they will get it back vs trying repeatedly to get a visa and paying money you won't get back. They are coming to try and make a better life for themselves and their families. I was only using the example of the cost of a visitor visa and didn't include the cost of traveling. Add $200 for travel expenses to and from the American Consulate, which are located in the worst cities in Mexico. When someone is denied, their passport gets destroyed, that is another $100. People don't risk their lives for fun. They are desperate. It is $500 for a work visa. Would you apply for one again after being denied? Probably not. Face it, our Gov. needs to change their way or doing things too. Don't say anything until you go through what they go through.

Here Is One wrote:

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Never said we did.........But white folks came just the same......

the sensible thing to do is to keep uppermost in one’s mind the reality that the modern day influx of “illegal immigrants” is not only nothing new, it is fundamentally different from the original one that our ancestors, the original “illegal immigrants” engaged in upon coming to the shores of America from a distant land.
The land most impacted by “illegal immigration”, the land that creates the greatest disputation amongst and between the current “owners” of the land [a concept completely alien to the original indigenous people subdued and imprisoned on apartheid reservations], is land originally possessed by the ancestors of these new illegal immigrants.
Those coming here now for jobs and to live on land that originally was “owned” by their ancestors are people returning here “illegally” to live on land that originally was in legal possession of their ancestors and upon which their ancestors lived for generations before our ancestors, the original illegal immigrants, took it from them by force of arms in wars.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/19/1180...

Justtoinformyou wrote:

<quoted text> The thing is, is that many Americans are ignorant of what goes on in other countries. They don't realize the struggles people have to go through to come legally. The problem isn't just Mexico's Gov. it is ours too. If they deny someone a visa, they need to refund the $120(1530 pesos) they pay. That is 20 worth or wages if the person is making 66 pesos a day and that is only if they use every cent on the visa. Most Americans won't work like that to take care of their families let alone to get a visa. Think about this. Where do Americans on welfare get their welfare money? The Government. Where does the Gov. get that money from? Sure taxes, but they also get it from the poor folks that work hard to pay for a visa and get denied, so if you think about it, All of you on Welfare are being supported by foreigners even those ILLEGALS you speak so negatively about!

Thanks for your. Attention

Dwg

DWG wrote:

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Thanks for your. Attention
Dwg

Any time! It is good to know there are a few people here that aren't ignorant. Thanks for yours as well!

Big-man wrote:

These lazy ass people try to blame everything on undocumented people. Point. Though undocumented, these people are willing to work, not sit and depend on the government and say hey I'm a citizen so I'm entitled to benefits. These people do actual work. You bastards are afraid because undocumented people come and work and live a better life than you people. They show y'all how money that is worked honestly can be spent to make life easy and comfortable. Some a you all can't even hang a picture frame on the wall but you cuss and criticize hard working undocumented workers. Oh I'm a citizen so must get welfare oh I'm a citizen so I must be lazy and get an easy life oh I'm a citizen so I must get a free phone. Get a f.,@&$ skill and go get a job and stop saying all sorts a shit about good decent honest people who is showing you all up as a bunch of no good mother!!!!

You would think Americans are sneaking into Mexico, for a better life. But it is they who sneak here because they can't put together a government worth a crap. Who's lazy now? Do the hard work and build your country up so you won't have to sneak out.

Fifty-seven percent of Mexican immigrants on welfare.

"The document breaks down the immigrant families by country of origin and gives specific types of welfare and percentages of the families that used it in 2010. An average fewer than 23 percent of native households use some type of “welfare” which is specifically defined in the study. 36 percent of households headed by immigrants use some type of welfare. Families headed by immigrants from specific countries or areas of the world range from just over 6 percent for those immigrants from Great Britain to more than 57 percent of those from Mexico using some type of welfare."

http://www.examiner.com/article/fifty-seven-p...

Memo From Turner wrote:

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My goodness. Another person who did absolutely nothing to earn their own citizenship getting huffy about other people.

All countries feel the same way. None want illegal aliens.

dwg wrote:

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2014The Republicans will lose more voters if they don't pass the Amnesty bill, it is democracy not tyranny
thanks
DWG

Think so? I'am a democrat who voted republican. There will be many more to come. How do Americans benefits from a amnesty, answer, they don't.

Asian Guy wrote:

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really?
frankly, I believe in the coming 4 years, there will be more democrats converting over to republican or independent then has happened ever before in the history of the usa.
the democrats will have been in power for more than 8 years. and what have they done to resolve the issues with our economy?
blaming bush won't work now.

I'am one. Unemployment is not going to get better, how can it, there are no jobs. I say, i don't really like republicans but it's time to give someone else a chance. All i know is the democrats are stuck in the mud and are going nowhere. Maybe the republican can come up with a plan.

Rico from East Los II wrote:

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Millions of Americans live in Mexico illegally.
1 Million illegal 'AMERICANS' living in Mexico?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =YNfwELvJdDgXX

Who would want to visit not to mention live there?

Official: 5 suspects arrested in Mexico tourist rapes.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/11/world/americas/...

Mayela wrote:

<quoted text>the sensible thing to do is to keep uppermost in one’s mind the reality that the modern day influx of “illegal immigrants” is not only nothing new, it is fundamentally different from the original one that our ancestors, the original “illegal immigrants” engaged in upon coming to the shores of America from a distant land.
The land most impacted by “illegal immigration”, the land that creates the greatest disputation amongst and between the current “owners” of the land [a concept completely alien to the original indigenous people subdued and imprisoned on apartheid reservations], is land originally possessed by the ancestors of these new illegal immigrants.
Those coming here now for jobs and to live on land that originally was “owned” by their ancestors are people returning here “illegally” to live on land that originally was in legal possession of their ancestors and upon which their ancestors lived for generations before our ancestors, the original illegal immigrants, took it from them by force of arms in wars.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/19/1180...

Then their was no nation
No national law
One tribe fought the others

Today we are a nation with national laws

We should allow ranchers at the border to start shooting the invaders like varmints

Memo From Turner wrote:

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Where are you going to be posting all of your ready made "cut and paste clips" after reform is complete?

Illegal aliens believe anything. Amnesty won't pass the House. DOA!

But just maybe it will have this in it:

Reps. Roe and Marchant cosponsor Birthright Citizenship Bill
Thursday, January 24, 2013

"The Birthright Citizenship Act, H.R. 140, would amend the Immigration and Nationality Act - not the constitution - to consider a person born in the United States "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States for citizenship at birth purposes if the person is born in the United States of parents, one of whom is:(1) a U.S. citizen or national; (2) a lawful permanent resident alien whose residence is in the United States; or (3) an alien performing active service in the U.S. Armed Forces."

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/news/janua...

Memo From Turner wrote:

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Most would have become legal if it was possible, but in almost all cases there is no way to legalize their status while in the US. Worse then that, if they attempt to return home to obtain a visa the US imposes stiff penalties for leaving the country.
That is the whole point of the proposed legislation.

That is what they get for entering the country illegally in the first place.

John wrote:

I ask myself what did the indians think when we invaded their territorios? We are all immigrants if we think about it. Don't say we did it legallly because we didn't. We even spread a plague to wipe them out on purpose in my opinión that is unhuman. Why did we decide to take over? What I'm really trynig to say is that we're a nation of immigrants to start with. After all who are we to take over land should't the world be for all of us. I bet god laughs of how stupid we can be.

I think the money in your pocket should be shared with me.

Cricket 23 wrote:

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And another illegal alien loving "Hispanic" has spoken!
Would you be that vocal if all the illegal aliens were Black??
I didn't think so.

Hispanics don't like black or dark skin people.

spytheweb wrote:

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Think so? I'am a democrat who voted republican. There will be many more to come. How do Americans benefits from a amnesty, answer, they don't.

My friend now is too late to play games . They write the bill right now, and the case is , many bad republicans are afraid to lose their chair !

DWG

DWG wrote:

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My friend now is too late to play games . They write the bill right now, and the case is , many bad republicans are afraid to lose their chair !
DWG

they will never allow amnesty,you need to stop believing everything the media says

Mayela wrote:

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What does Mexico have to do with this? What's your point?

that you sound like a complete hypocrite for thinking its wrong for this country to enforce its immigration laws.

FritoBandiT0 wrote:

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Then how do you account for the present Dream Act? Amnesty or some form of it is on its way.

you mean deferred action?that sh!t leaves with obama

FritoBandiT0 wrote:

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Then how do you account for the present Dream Act? Amnesty or some form of it is on its way.

It's a band-aid and only puts these people in limbo, and certainly fixes nothing. 16-30? Why is 30 the magic number?

Frito Bandito wrote:

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Hardly.... Any real go getter will excel in that opportunity. That's a program for those brought here as children by no fault of their own. Most are assimilated and competing in the military and in industry. You can't just kick those kids back to their country of origin, when all they know is the US.
The ACLU and other related groups will have a lawsuit field day if you try to round them up, the results of which could be very costly, especially for taxpayers.

Any way you look at it, it's going to be costly for Americans.