SWAT cops to ask for IDs from everyone in Arkansas town

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A blogger from Baltimore, Maryland captivated Internet audiences around the world Saturday evening by broadcasting his stand-off with a local SWAT team over the Web.

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yup

Oklahoma City, OK

#1 Dec 17, 2012
http://paragouldpolice.org/press_view.php...

are you kidding me... i will hand them a busness card also.. my atternoys.... civil rights hello. hitler did this to people. that idiot lost my vote.
seriously

Little Rock, AR

#2 Dec 17, 2012
They are doing this to clean the town up of Meth heads and drug dealers and ppl who are wanted for warrents who are walking the streets not to condem you to your houses or harass you it has nothing to do with civil rights it is are civil duty to help them clean the streets and make it a better place to live !?! Think of all the children who will be saved from kidnapping with all this and all the ppl who will blow up houses with Meth labs and kids overdosing on drugs they should never of got ahold of in the first place and stealing stuff out of you yards and homes?!? I personaly are greatfull for this protection you being worried about it obviously have something to hide or you wouldn't be so worried about it.
guest

San Jose, CA

#3 Dec 17, 2012
Way to go dumbasses. This is nothing like you morons are making it out to be. No one is taking away your rights! I guess we should just sit back and let the trash take over our city since you dumbasses won't allow our police to help clean up the streets.
seriously

Little Rock, AR

#4 Dec 17, 2012
I said it was good I'm NT the Dumba**!?!
guest

Ashburn, VA

#5 Dec 17, 2012
It wasn't directed at you.
seriously wrote:
I said it was good I'm NT the Dumba**!?!
I am really Amused Now

Bangor, ME

#6 Dec 17, 2012
well you all wanted the "Republican way" down there..you should have been careful what you asked for..told ya the GOP was a bit on the fascist side..now you know..this is why the majority voted for Obama and some of the rest of us voted for Johnson..

Since: Aug 10

Cathouse Mouse

#7 Dec 17, 2012
I am really Amused Now wrote:
well you all wanted the "Republican way" down there..you should have been careful what you asked for..told ya the GOP was a bit on the fascist side..now you know..this is why the majority voted for Obama and some of the rest of us voted for Johnson..
Southerners have never seen a "Beat Cop" program.

It scares them. They think it's the black helicopters landing.

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#8 Dec 17, 2012
Cathouse Mouse wrote:
<quoted text>
Southerners have never seen a "Beat Cop" program.
It scares them. They think it's the black helicopters landing.
lol..guess they better get Jesse on it then..
yup

Paragould, AR

#9 Dec 17, 2012
95% of all warrant issued they know where the are jails.overful so they wont.pick them up. thats what the jews thought before.they took a shower!!! stupid fawks
Curtis Liscomb

United States

#11 Dec 18, 2012
Jails are full so they turn them loose huh that's smart. Well when they get to full to take.murderers let me know I got a few people I'd.like to plant I. The.ground . How stupid the courts and police are.just as corrupt . You got judges that slap dopers on the hand even though the shit the peddle is.killing our kids . You have kids killing kids because they to chicken to take an ass whooping instead its easier to get s gun . And the cops are gonna patrol the streets with automatic weapons. Yeah right you can't get them off thier assess parked on a parking lot talking to each other to.get them to.walk . Hell when's the last time you seen a crack head or a thief salmon.g down the street carrying a 50 inch flat screen and a xbox. Under his jacket . Get real why don't we make it painful for the drug dealers and drug users so painful they don't do the.shit . Hell if I can make several million dollars without paying taxs and then let the tax payers pay for.me to have a house and food and medical benefits after I'm.caught and my money is still there . Shit sign me up ill have a crack house on every corner and a meth lab right next door . Why worry about cops when they can be bought . It's time to get tough on crime not slap its wrist .
guest

United States

#12 Dec 18, 2012
Cathouse Mouse wrote:
Southerners have never seen a "Beat Cop" program.
Nothing wrong with a beat cop. There's a lot wrong with police arresting a law abiding citizen for simply refusing to produce ID on demand.

This ain't North Korea.
guest

Ashburn, VA

#13 Dec 18, 2012
It's wrong. Your teaching kids it's alright to walk down the street with a gun, let alone a semi automatic rifle. Saying ' it's alright mommy they don't have Id or a reason to be walking, let's shoot them.' It's bullshit. The world we are in these days there isnt a safe place.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#14 Dec 18, 2012
The police have the right to ask anyone for identification if they have probable cause. To me, walking around Franklin apartments at 3 in the morning is probable cause. That's the type of people that are going to be targeted. Not Joe Citizen walking his dog at 6 in the evening. PPD is making their presence known in areas where it needs to be known.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#15 Dec 18, 2012
And the article attached to this thread is slanted to make it look like Paragould is becoming a police state by stating the patrols will be 'heavily armed'. You don't think they carry AR-15's and more in the patrol cars? You don't think the officer in the patrol car is wearing a vest? If I were walking a foot patrol in the middle of the night in the areas where these officers are going to be, bet your last dollar I'd be armed to the teeth.
all for it

Oklahoma City, OK

#16 Dec 18, 2012
I would rather prove myself walking my dog or jogging every day than live in fear of he crackheads that roam the town. I've been sick to death of all the thugs that have taken over and I am PROUD of our PD for reclaiming our community.
Curtis Liscomb

Oklahoma City, OK

#17 Dec 18, 2012
CJL256 wrote:
And the article attached to this thread is slanted to make it look like Paragould is becoming a police state by stating the patrols will be 'heavily armed'. You don't think they carry AR-15's and more in the patrol cars? You don't think the officer in the patrol car is wearing a vest? If I were walking a foot patrol in the middle of the night in the areas where these officers are going to be, bet your last dollar I'd be armed to the teeth.
still missing the point these officers that are suppose to be walking the beat are the same ones that sit on parking lots andtalk for.hours on end . They.won't do thier.job in a car what makes you think they will do it walking a beat. Have not seen to many thieves carrying tv or computers or even copper wire on thier backs they have cars and that's how the getting around . Joe public walking down the street if he.isn't staggering or carrying somethin.g under his coat has the same right to be there day or night . If the gonna get everyone walking I see lots.of kids being late for school buses . Yes o know that's.ignorant but that's the way of tho.king going on here . Get cops to.do thier jobs and get the courts to stop turning people loose and crime will stop when its not so.easy to.get away with .
guest

Paragould, AR

#18 Dec 18, 2012
It's not a big leap from 3AM at the Franklin apartments to 6 PM at the ballpark. The thing is a lot of you don't get that.
Curtis Liscomb

Oklahoma City, OK

#19 Dec 18, 2012
guest wrote:
It's not a big leap from 3AM at the Franklin apartments to 6 PM at the ballpark. The thing is a lot of you don't get that.
EXACTLY someone else gets it to.
lived on the east side

Sikeston, MO

#20 Dec 19, 2012
i lived at franklin for a year bc i couldnt afford anything else. i am also an insomniac and would walk around at 3 AM out of boredom. this doesnt mean im breaking into houses. walking around at 3 am isnt probable cause. its walking.
CJL256 wrote:
The police have the right to ask anyone for identification if they have probable cause. To me, walking around Franklin apartments at 3 in the morning is probable cause. That's the type of people that are going to be targeted. Not Joe Citizen walking his dog at 6 in the evening. PPD is making their presence known in areas where it needs to be known.
guest

United States

#21 Dec 19, 2012
CJL256 wrote:
The police have the right to ask anyone for identification if they have probable cause. To me, walking around Franklin apartments at 3 in the morning is probable cause.
Your opinion on what constitutes probable cause is immaterial.

The legal threshold for probable cause is this:
Apparent facts discovered through logical inquiry that would lead a reasonably intelligent and prudent person to believe that an accused person has committed a crime.

Walking down a public right of way at 3 a.m. is not a crime. Therefore, there is no probable cause.

Arresting a person only because he refuses to produce ID is a violation of his 4th Amendment rights.

"The application of the Texas statute to detain appellant and require him to identify himself violated the Fourth Amendment because the officers lacked any reasonable suspicion to believe that appellant was engaged or had engaged in criminal conduct. Detaining appellant to require him to identify himself constituted a seizure of his person subject to the requirement of the Fourth Amendment that the seizure be "reasonable."
Brown v. Texas, 443 U.S. 47 (1979)

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