Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

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Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20750 Feb 26, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
The fact the there is NO original manuscript makes the BoM unreliable. There isn't any Bible scholar that would claim the BoM is reliable. We have not one single golden plate written by the prophets of the BoM or their scribes. We also can't find even one city of the BoM on the map, like we can the cities of the Bible. We can't find any of the Nephite armour. Their coins, their swords like we can the lisrraelites. You don't make outragious claims and or lies if truth really matters.
Actually that is true as far as having the plates the BOM was translated from goes. And the same goes for the Bible. Regardless if persons, places and events were substantiated by science for both books and just not the Bible, both books are founded on a being that we have no way of proving actually exists. So both books are just good reads for fictional settings if you wish to state it that way.
But both books if one wishes to improve one's morals, both books can be of good use. But if you wish to show how mean and barbaric people can be, they can be used there also. If you don't believe in God, either book can lead one to believing in God like the Koran also does.
By the way, finding the name of a city or coin or the name of people and places in the BOM won't prove it true any more than those things have proved the Bible to be true.

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Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20751 Feb 26, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
A bunch of BS that only proves that God didn't curse people with dark skin, and that dark skin isn't a curse. Can you ever find anything relevant to the topic, or is all your evidence BS like this?
Actually the BS comes from you. You are the one specifying what God would or wouldn't do. We know God cursed people from one generation to the next. We know God didn't forbid a servant/prophet/leader to curse a relative and all their descendants to slavery. He allowed that curse to happen. God made a curse once that the sins of the fathers would visit their children.
God has shown he can curse any curse he wants to make a curse about, that is what God has proven. He also has proved he'll allow certain leaders to curse others and supports that curse.
Your're the one that wants to believe what God wouldn't do that you think he shouldn't and or wouldn't do. Last time I read the Bible, I never saw a verse where a person told God what he could do or wouldn't do who didn't live to regret that statement.
What you believe is one thing.
Telling God what he wouldn't do or could do, that's a bit ballsy and most live to regret having stated such a thing to him.
By the way, I have no idea what that curse was. Christians taught it was a dark skin curse for centuries. It's really not that important of an issue for me. Maybe if we lived when owing slaves was legal this would be a very debatable topic. But we don't live in that age. And even Mormon historians have no idea where the prohibition for dark skinned males to be denied the priesthood began of who it began with.
Looking at it from the Mormon perspective, consider this for a moment even if you disbelieve it.
If it was a prophecy that one day descendants of Ham would have the priesthood because Noah took it from that lineage, for that prophecy to come true, there would have to be a situation where God's church existed and dark skinned males were being denied the priesthood in order for that denial to be removed and them than allowed to finally have the priesthood again to fulfil that prophecy. Just saying...

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Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20752 Feb 26, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
You're right, it was murder. But it was a murder that someone should have done to him when he lived in New York, and them the world wouldn't have the disease called Mormonism which has done more harm than good.
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Where have I ever said they were "good Christians"? Smoking that crack again, are you? I have said that killing Smith was the right thing to do, only that it should have been done sooner.
No crack dude but you definitely are smoking/taking something to have the murderous train of thinking that you have. Nice concept I'm sure you teach your kids by example? Murder is good? I never read that in the Bible. Being killed in war or as punishment is one thing to believe in and support. But to claim as you do that you support murder, that's some real warped thinking.
Next, you call yourself a "good Christian". Yet you believe in supporting murder. Well since there were "good Christian" ministers among those mobs that were about that jail, no doubt many of those men attended their church as "good Christian" men.
Therefore directly and indirectly you make claim that those attacking those men to murder them, a murder you support, making you a "good Christian" murderer in thought, those men were also "good Christian" men like yourself who believed murdering unarmed men was a Godly act.
I'll say it again, you have some real dark, filthy evil thinking for a "good Christian." I can't believe you have stated you support first degree premeditated murder of unarmed men. Some how and sadly I am not surprised your dark filthy thoughts would go so low.

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Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20753 Feb 26, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not a sin to tell the truth, and we have all seen you get even more foul mouthed. Grow up, child.
Speaking the truth is speaking the truth. But rumours are never truth and are usually based in lies that others take hold of and exaggerate with.
You repeat rumours and and out right lies. There are no truths there. And when you claim a rumour is truth you're a liar. That's why certain things people say are called rumours, because they hold no actual truth.
So when you exaggerate about Smith and his sex life, you're exaggerating as a liar.
See, no matter how much common sense or a thousand rumours say Smith had sex with his wives, over 30 of them in a three year period, to state Smith had sex with just one without actual proof is to tell a lie. And rumours aren't truth except to delusional idiots.
And the more lies and rumours a person perpetuates, the farther from what is actually true the person removes themselves from comprehending.
So tell your exaggerated lies and rumours and state that they are your truths. People will believe their your truths :)

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Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20754 Feb 26, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
He screwed his wives, that's a fact. Only idiots would claim otherwise.
If you can't admit what's true, you won't know what an actual fact is because of your delusional rants of what a truth is to you.
You're a liar to say he had sex with his wives. I'd be a liar to say he had sex with his wives. We'd be liars because all we have to fall back on is rumours. Understand?
Remember the star witness you use to use that proved her own self to be a liar? Remember her claims of readying the bed chamber and watching them go into it and watching them have sex? All she believed was based on rumours she had heard and she in turn created her own lie to have something evil to say of Smith. You do the very same thing. You claim things of Smith's sex life that are based on rumours and nothing more. You than create your own lies to believe the rumours just like that woman.
What you have in common are rumours and lies. Nice job :)

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Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20756 Feb 26, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
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Real Christians Don't disembowel people and never did. And how do you speak nicely about something as ugly as blood atonement?
Or how about claiming that innocent people have been cursed by increasing the amount of pigmentation in their skin for a sin of one of their remote ancestor?
Or the real kicker, why does the Mormon church and their defenders reject the two most important commandments in the bible on unconditional LOVE?
It nice that you feel you have a connection to some cosmic knowledge that you use to judge other people as wrong in their beliefs and your's correct, but that comes from your thinking/opinions, not reality.
See, you can neved judge a JW or Mormon without directly judging Christianity as a whole. They, modern Christianity believe in a Bible (a book you have disembowelled) full of patriarchal teachings from Adam to Jesus.
Christianity taught the curse of Cain being dark skin for centuries and most of Christianity still believe it. They don't speak of it for fear of being called a racist. Just like most black Christians believe God is black like them and not white, but they won't say it for fear of being called a racist.
And real Christians long ago in the name of the Lord slaughtered, tortured, murdered and killed people for various reasons for over 1700 years.
So your problem with fake disembowel rites and fake throat slitting rites says a lot with your preoccupation of things not actually done.
Father overtime

Salt Lake City, UT

#20757 Feb 26, 2013
The people in this thread that left the church, will never be able to leave the church alone because once you turn away from truth, you go against it. You also find ways go convince yourself that murder is okay which speaks volumes to actual ability to discern good from evil. You are dangerous in the site of god.
concerned in Egypt

Europe

#20758 Feb 26, 2013
Father overtime wrote:
The people in this thread that left the church, will never be able to leave the church alone because once you turn away from truth, you go against it. You also find ways go convince yourself that murder is okay which speaks volumes to actual ability to discern good from evil. You are dangerous in the site of god.
If you are seeking truth about the LDS Mormon Sect.
If you want access to verifiable footnoted sources that you can verify yourself
Then these sites all document their assertions with EVIDENCE Biblical Historical and verifiable.
Because the Truth Matters not vial name callers and those who call people murderers when they post the truth matters.
http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.asp ...?
category=11&article=1221
http://www.leaderu.com/offices/michaeldavis/d ...
http://www.mrm.org/
http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/
http://www.utlm.org/
http://irr.org/
http://carm.org/
http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm/search/colle ...
http://www.spotlightministries.org.uk/index.h ...
concerned in Egypt

Europe

#20759 Feb 26, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
It nice that you feel you have a connection to some cosmic knowledge that you use to judge other people as wrong in their beliefs and your's correct, but that comes from your thinking/opinions, not reality.
See, you can neved judge a JW or Mormon without directly judging Christianity as a whole. They, modern Christianity believe in a Bible (a book you have disembowelled) full of patriarchal teachings from Adam to Jesus.
Christianity taught the curse of Cain being dark skin for centuries and most of Christianity still believe it. They don't speak of it for fear of being called a racist. Just like most black Christians believe God is black like them and not white, but they won't say it for fear of being called a racist.
And real Christians long ago in the name of the Lord slaughtered, tortured, murdered and killed people for various reasons for over 1700 years.
So your problem with fake disembowel rites and fake throat slitting rites says a lot with your preoccupation of things not actually done.
Whats the diff between you and smurf.

YOU believe God the father came from a Planet called Kobalt he has many wives
YOU believe in baptizing dead people
YOU believe in holy underwear
YOU follow a guy J.S. who used magical glasses in a magical hat to translate golden plates nobody has seen and he lost who was a Pedophile polygamist who married women still married to other men who died in gun fight trying to break out of jail.
YOU think you can become a God.
YOU follow a guy like B.Y. who taught as the word of God Adam was father god and he came and got Mary pregnant in the flesh.
LIKE you know what reality is LOL ROFL>
wtf

Acton, CA

#20760 Feb 26, 2013
concerned in Egypt wrote:
<quoted text>
Whats the diff between you and smurf.
YOU believe God the father came from a Planet called Kobalt he has many wives
YOU believe in baptizing dead people
YOU believe in holy underwear
YOU follow a guy J.S. who used magical glasses in a magical hat to translate golden plates nobody has seen and he lost who was a Pedophile polygamist who married women still married to other men who died in gun fight trying to break out of jail.
YOU think you can become a God.
YOU follow a guy like B.Y. who taught as the word of God Adam was father god and he came and got Mary pregnant in the flesh.
LIKE you know what reality is LOL ROFL>
Loved your post!!!

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20761 Feb 26, 2013
Father overtime wrote:
The people in this thread that left the church, will never be able to leave the church alone because once you turn away from truth, you go against it. You also find ways go convince yourself that murder is okay which speaks volumes to actual ability to discern good from evil. You are dangerous in the site of god.
We left the church because it was so true? LOL!!! Who are we murdering and why haven't we been put in jail?

Put down the crack pipe son.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20762 Feb 26, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
By the way, finding the name of a city or coin or the name of people and places in the BOM won't prove it true any more than those things have proved the Bible to be true.
It would go a long way in proving that Smith didn't just completely fabricate the BoM. Mormonism can't even do that at this point. The BoM is as much fantasy as The Lord of the Rings.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20763 Feb 26, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually the BS comes from you. You are the one specifying what God would or wouldn't do. We know God cursed people from one generation to the next. We know God didn't forbid a servant/prophet/leader to curse a relative and all their descendants to slavery. He allowed that curse to happen. God made a curse once that the sins of the fathers would visit their children.
God has shown he can curse any curse he wants to make a curse about, that is what God has proven. He also has proved he'll allow certain leaders to curse others and supports that curse.
Your're the one that wants to believe what God wouldn't do that you think he shouldn't and or wouldn't do. Last time I read the Bible, I never saw a verse where a person told God what he could do or wouldn't do who didn't live to regret that statement.
What you believe is one thing.
Telling God what he wouldn't do or could do, that's a bit ballsy and most live to regret having stated such a thing to him.
By the way, I have no idea what that curse was. Christians taught it was a dark skin curse for centuries. It's really not that important of an issue for me. Maybe if we lived when owing slaves was legal this would be a very debatable topic. But we don't live in that age. And even Mormon historians have no idea where the prohibition for dark skinned males to be denied the priesthood began of who it began with.
Looking at it from the Mormon perspective, consider this for a moment even if you disbelieve it.
If it was a prophecy that one day descendants of Ham would have the priesthood because Noah took it from that lineage, for that prophecy to come true, there would have to be a situation where God's church existed and dark skinned males were being denied the priesthood in order for that denial to be removed and them than allowed to finally have the priesthood again to fulfil that prophecy. Just saying...
And I'm just saying you're full of crap. Black skin isn't a curse. Never has been, never will be. Not by God, anyway.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20764 Feb 26, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
No crack dude but you definitely are smoking/taking something to have the murderous train of thinking that you have. Nice concept I'm sure you teach your kids by example? Murder is good? I never read that in the Bible. Being killed in war or as punishment is one thing to believe in and support. But to claim as you do that you support murder, that's some real warped thinking.
Next, you call yourself a "good Christian". Yet you believe in supporting murder. Well since there were "good Christian" ministers among those mobs that were about that jail, no doubt many of those men attended their church as "good Christian" men.
Therefore directly and indirectly you make claim that those attacking those men to murder them, a murder you support, making you a "good Christian" murderer in thought, those men were also "good Christian" men like yourself who believed murdering unarmed men was a Godly act.
I'll say it again, you have some real dark, filthy evil thinking for a "good Christian." I can't believe you have stated you support first degree premeditated murder of unarmed men. Some how and sadly I am not surprised your dark filthy thoughts would go so low.
Murdering rabid dogs is needed, and justified sometimes. I feel the same about Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Jim Jones, etc. Sicko's who should have been killed early in their lives. Smith is one of them also. Mankind would have been better without them.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20765 Feb 26, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
Speaking the truth is speaking the truth. But rumours are never truth and are usually based in lies that others take hold of and exaggerate with.
You repeat rumours and and out right lies. There are no truths there. And when you claim a rumour is truth you're a liar. That's why certain things people say are called rumours, because they hold no actual truth.
So when you exaggerate about Smith and his sex life, you're exaggerating as a liar.
See, no matter how much common sense or a thousand rumours say Smith had sex with his wives, over 30 of them in a three year period, to state Smith had sex with just one without actual proof is to tell a lie. And rumours aren't truth except to delusional idiots.
And the more lies and rumours a person perpetuates, the farther from what is actually true the person removes themselves from comprehending.
So tell your exaggerated lies and rumours and state that they are your truths. People will believe their your truths :)
Only idiots and children would believe he didn't screw them. Let us know when you decide to stop being a fool for Mormonism.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20766 Feb 26, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
If you can't admit what's true, you won't know what an actual fact is because of your delusional rants of what a truth is to you.
You're a liar to say he had sex with his wives. I'd be a liar to say he had sex with his wives. We'd be liars because all we have to fall back on is rumours. Understand?
Remember the star witness you use to use that proved her own self to be a liar? Remember her claims of readying the bed chamber and watching them go into it and watching them have sex? All she believed was based on rumours she had heard and she in turn created her own lie to have something evil to say of Smith. You do the very same thing. You claim things of Smith's sex life that are based on rumours and nothing more. You than create your own lies to believe the rumours just like that woman.
What you have in common are rumours and lies. Nice job :)
It wasn't my only evidence, even if you think it was wrong. I don't care. Husbands screw wives, that is a fact. That would be even more true with a pervert like Smith who justified screwing the wives of other men.

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#20767 Feb 27, 2013
Dana,

You TRY to TWIST EVERYTHING possible.

You LIE constantly.

//

AND, you constantly fetish on everyone's genitals and underwear.

YOU MOCK GOD the FATHER.

NOTHING YOU SAY CHANGES THE FACT THAT GOD WILL WIN IN THE END!
CareEnoughToGoog LE iT

Yuba City, CA

#20768 Feb 27, 2013
BOMBASTIC CLAIMS
OF UNDERSTANDING HEAVENLY FATHER'S LAWS,
***WHILE BLATANTLY DENYING ***
***ALL KNOWLEDGE***
***of LEVIRATE MARRIAGE and LAW***
for nearly 4,000 YEARS:
Among earliest LAW of MOSES FROM GOD H.I.M.S.E.L.F.
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Dana Robertson wrote:
"Carol, please show us one place in the Old Testament God commands the Israelite nation to practice polygamy. I'll wait.
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Adult men in Israel under the law of Moses, were commanded to marry, with some exceptions: religious duty, etc.
Therefore the law commanding marriage to wife of a dead brother,
meant polygamy MUST occur:
as it did on a REGULAR basis,
being a COMMANDMENT.
Elders also commanded, to try to talk men into it:
and punish a man who won't.
=====
Deuteronomy 25:
"25:5 If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger:
her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.
25:6 And it shall be, that the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead, that his name be not put out of Israel.
25:7 And if the man like not to take his brother's wife,
then let his brother's wife go up to the gate unto the elders, and say,
"My husband's brother refuseth to raise up unto his brother a name in Israel, he will not perform the duty of my husband's brother."
25:8 Then the elders of his city shall call him, and speak unto him: and if he stand to it, and say, I like not to take her;
25:9 Then shall his brother's wife come unto him in the presence of the elders, and loose his shoe from off his foot,
***and spit in his face***,
and shall answer and say,
"So shall it be done unto that man that will not build up his brother's house."
25:10 And his name shall be called in Israel, The house of him that hath his shoe loosed.
==========
The LAW COMMANDS.
The law commands the Elders to TALK to MEN about why they won't obey
The law commands the punishment be ***THE WOMAN SPIT in HIS FACE***
The law commands from THEN ON he be known as one who WOULDN'T OBEY the COMMANDMENT OF LEVIRATE MARRIAGE.
==========
I told everyone that to show you to be a lying sociopath, is done with offhand ease.
You're so Satan possessed, you deny what it takes
THIRTY SECONDS to check
googling "Levirate Marriage & Law."
That goes with being a
pornography addicted,
Satanic hick.
If you wonder what makes people like him melt down online, in front of hundreds of people, you should know why Satan hates us so much.
Mormon.org

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20769 Feb 27, 2013
concerned in Egypt wrote:
<quoted text>
Whats the diff between you and smurf.
YOU believe God the father came from a Planet called Kobalt he has many wives
YOU believe in baptizing dead people
YOU believe in holy underwear
YOU follow a guy J.S. who used magical glasses in a magical hat to translate golden plates nobody has seen and he lost who was a Pedophile polygamist who married women still married to other men who died in gun fight trying to break out of jail.
YOU think you can become a God.
YOU follow a guy like B.Y. who taught as the word of God Adam was father god and he came and got Mary pregnant in the flesh.
LIKE you know what reality is LOL ROFL>
lol... and that comes from a guy that prefers to lie than to speak truth. You made several out right lies about me just concerning Topix. So you proved telling lies about someone was more important than not telling lies.
You're a self proved liar. Real Christians avoid 'purposeful' lies. Since you told 'purposeful' lies that exempts you from being a 'real Christian'. You're a lying fake Christian. Nice job :)

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20770 Feb 27, 2013
concerned in Egypt wrote:
<quoted text>
Whats the diff between you and smurf.
Also, to enlarge your idiocy, Smurf is a self declared atheist that still believes in God. Smurf has no respect for 'modern Christians' or for the Bible. He has no respect for them(you and Dana)because you two and modern Christianity believe in a violent volcano god. Smurf believes the Bible is corrupt and totally unreliable. Smurf believes in a few passages from the Bible and he rejects all the rest as corruption and vile writings of the early RCC. People like you are a lost hopeless cause in Smurf's view unless, unless you reject the Christian volcano god you believe in and the Bible you believe in.
So the next time you want to stick up for someone that disrespects your theistic thinking and your Bible and tells people your god is the wrong god to believe in, that you have been led astray by the false teachings of the RCC, you better know who your sticking up for, just saying lol.

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