Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

There are 31997 comments on the CNN story from Oct 12, 2011, titled Who says Mormons aren't Christians?. In it, CNN reports that:

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Jumbo

Salt Lake City, UT

#22954 Apr 2, 2013
Livinginthelandofcrazy wrote:
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What happened to your original name "Jubmo"? What? Are you so friggin' stupid you can't spell "Jumbo"??? DA...
Yep copy and paste to Exposé ur nasty cult, idiot moron!!!!!!!!!!
Jumbo

Salt Lake City, UT

#22955 Apr 2, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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Let's go at this as it was said.
Matt 22:28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
Matt 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
Their is Jesus's answer. "..Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God." The answer did not answer their question. Jesus didn't tell them who's wife she'd belong to in the afterlife or, that she would be none of their wife in the afterlife. Jesus didn't answer the question. So no matter how many times you want to think he gave an answer, he actually didn't.
Now what Jesus did say as a FOLLOW UP REMARK that really had nothing to do with their actual question was...
Matt 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Angels in heaven that never came to this earth, they never had a chance to obey the command to marry as God commanded it of us that would come to this earth. This answer reflected a belief of Jews that in the afterlife, those of us coming here that didn't marry in mortality, Jews believed we would have a second chance to marry in the afterlife.
Again Jesus's answer here had nothing to do with whose husband would the widow belong to. Jesus was addressing a false belief that God allowed us in mortality to have two chances at marriage, one in mortality and one in the afterlife. Jesus was elaborating that belief was false and wrong and not a teaching of God. He was stating that those who didn't marry in mortality, they would be as the angels in heaven, single and unmarried.
Jesus's answers in no way addressed the actual question about a marriage in mortality continuing to exist in the afterlife.
Oh shut up with your false interpretation of the scriptures, you polygamist idiot who worship a polygamist god!!
Jumbo

Salt Lake City, UT

#22956 Apr 2, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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Let's go at this as it was said.
Matt 22:28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
Matt 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
Their is Jesus's answer. "..Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God." The answer did not answer their question. Jesus didn't tell them who's wife she'd belong to in the afterlife or, that she would be none of their wife in the afterlife. Jesus didn't answer the question. So no matter how many times you want to think he gave an answer, he actually didn't.
Now what Jesus did say as a FOLLOW UP REMARK that really had nothing to do with their actual question was...
Matt 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Angels in heaven that never came to this earth, they never had a chance to obey the command to marry as God commanded it of us that would come to this earth. This answer reflected a belief of Jews that in the afterlife, those of us coming here that didn't marry in mortality, Jews believed we would have a second chance to marry in the afterlife.
Again Jesus's answer here had nothing to do with whose husband would the widow belong to. Jesus was addressing a false belief that God allowed us in mortality to have two chances at marriage, one in mortality and one in the afterlife. Jesus was elaborating that belief was false and wrong and not a teaching of God. He was stating that those who didn't marry in mortality, they would be as the angels in heaven, single and unmarried.
Jesus's answers in no way addressed the actual question about a marriage in mortality continuing to exist in the afterlife.
Hey angel is of a different species, so are human and god! Lucifer and the third that followed him are angels. Lucifer is an angel not a literal spirit child of god.... U moron need to differentiate the different species. God is the creator and we and angels are his creation or creatures. We will never become the creator or a god! Go shove your eternal progressive up your ass, it's false!!!

Since: Sep 12

Ozark, MO

#22957 Apr 2, 2013
Jumbo wrote:
<quoted text>Yep copy and paste to Exposé ur nasty cult, idiot moron!!!!!!!!!!
Do you actually think I would read anything you copied and pasted, Jubmo??? "To Exposé"??? Did you mean "expose"? And I'm the "idiot moron"??? Hahahahahaha!!! DA...
Jubmo

Salt Lake City, UT

#22958 Apr 2, 2013
Livinginthelandofcrazy wrote:
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Do you actually think I would read anything you copied and pasted, Jubmo??? "To Exposé"??? Did you mean "expose"? And I'm the "idiot moron"??? Hahahahahaha!!! DA...
I careless if you go to hellll, go figure idiot moron
Jubmo

Salt Lake City, UT

#22960 Apr 2, 2013
4. Mormonism teaches that when mortals die, their spirits go to a spirit prison which has two compartments. Good LDS people go to "paradise" (M.D. pp. 554-555). All others go to the other area which is often called "spirit prison" (M.D. pp. 754-755). Good LDS missionary spirits come from paradise to the spirit prison to preach the true LDS gospel. Most of the imprisoned spirits will accept the LDS message, but their personal salvation is not completed until proxy baptism, marriage and so on are done for them in an LDS temple on earth. Finally, after the millennium and final judgement, they will go to the degree of glory or heaven they have earned through obedience to the law (A. of F. pp. 147-148).

Three Heavens or Degrees of Glory

The LDS concept of three heavens, or degrees of glory, comes from D. & C. 76. The first heaven is the "telestial glory," where unbelievers and the worst kind of people go after the final judgment. The second heaven is the "terrestrial glory," where good, religious people who are not Mormons go after judgment. But, the third heaven is the "celestial glory," and is reserved for Mormons alone.

LDS claim that I Cor. 15:40-41 teaches three degrees of glory or three heavens. However, the context in I Cor. 15:35-54 is not about heavens, but about the difference between our earthly mortal body and our new immortal body given us at the resurrection. Celestial and terrestrial bodies are mentioned in v. 40, but any dictionary will show that celestial means "heavenly" and terrestrial means "earthly." The word "telestial" is not found in I Cor. 15 because it was a concept of Joseph Smith's and can only be found in Mormon teachings. The glory of the sun, moon, and stars in v. 41 is used by LDS to support their concept of three heavens, but the context refers to "bodies," not heavens! If this verse is about different "heavens," then there must be innumerable "glories" or heavens, for it goes on to say that "one star differeth from another star in glory." Furthermore, many stars are actually bigger and brighter than our sun, so if the LDS analogy is followed, the telestial heaven (represented by stars) could be better than the celestial glory (represented by the sun)! In verse 39, Paul mentions four kinds of flesh. Does this verse teach that there are four heavens? That reasoning is just as valid as what the LDS do with verses 40-41.

LDS also use II Cor. 12:2 where Paul mentioned "the third heaven." Anyone familiar with Hebrew thought (and Paul was a Hebrew) knows that they believed in the same three heavens as Christians do today. The first heaven was the atmospheric heaven of clouds, birds, planes, and so on. Second was the heaven of stars and planets. And the third heaven was where God dwelt! Paul said in II Cor. 12:2 that a man was caught up to the third heaven where God is, and v. 4 calls that place "paradise." The Bible nowhere teaches that there are three heavens where people live eternally.

Since: Sep 12

Ozark, MO

#22961 Apr 2, 2013
Jubmo wrote:
<quoted text>I careless if you go to hellll, go figure idiot moron
"I careless"??? Hahahahahaha!!! Are you a product of the Utah Educational system, or Chinese?

Since: Sep 12

Ozark, MO

#22962 Apr 2, 2013
Jubmo wrote:
<quoted text>I careless if you go to hellll, go figure idiot moron
Is it "Jubmo," or "Jumbo"? Are you schizophrenic, or just can't make up your mind?
Jubmo

Salt Lake City, UT

#22963 Apr 2, 2013
Livinginthelandofcrazy wrote:
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"I careless"??? Hahahahahaha!!! Are you a product of the Utah Educational system, or Chinese?
Are u a product of joe myths polygamist relationship, idiot moron
Jubmo

Salt Lake City, UT

#22964 Apr 2, 2013
Livinginthelandofcrazy wrote:
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Is it "Jubmo," or "Jumbo"? Are you schizophrenic, or just can't make up your mind?
Lol, if you don't know the difference between angels, human and god, go nanao ur tungaiku. Hihihi
Jubmo

Salt Lake City, UT

#22965 Apr 2, 2013
Immortality and Eternal Life

Because of Mormonism's concept of three heavens, they must also re-define eternal life. W. Cleon Skousen says, "Immortality means to live forever but... acquiring eternal life means to return to the presence of God in the celestial kingdom. And those who are particularly faithful receive 'eternal lives.' This means to become exalted just as our Heavenly Father is... then shall they be gods" (The First 2,000 Years by Cleon Skousen, p. 69).

Apostle Bruce McConkie explains it differently. He says, "Even those in the Celestial Kingdom, however, who do not go on to exaltation, will have immortality only and not eternal life... Salvation in its true and full meaning is synonymous with exaltation or eternal life and consists in gaining an inheritance in the highest of the three heavens within the Celestial Kingdom.... This full salvation is obtained in and through the continuation of the family unit in eternity and those who obtain it are gods" (M.D., p. 670). Latter-day apostles, prophets and scripture certainly have not helped the LDS to clarify their doctrines! The B. of M., which is the "Fulness of the gospel" (D. & C. 20:9), does not even mention the three degrees of glory, heavens or kingdoms!

Generally, LDS believe all will have immortality or resurrection, but only LDS can have eternal life and enter the Celestial Kingdom (G.T.A., p. 166). The very best Mormons will gain "eternal lives" or inherit the highest possible position in that celestial kingdom.

LDS believe that there are three degrees or levels within the Celestial Kingdom. While LDS "baptism is the gate to the Celestial Kingdom, Celestial Marriage is the gate to an exaltation in the highest heaven within the Celestial World" (M.D. p. 118).

Mormon scripture says polygamy is one of the requirements for "eternal lives" and godhood (D. & C. 132:1-24). Brigham Young also said, "Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned (J. of D., Vol. III, p. 266). He also said, "The only men who become Gods, even the sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy" (J. of D. Vol. XI, p. 269). But, few Mormons are polygamists due to the federal law against it and the Woodruff Manifesto! All of the other LDS laws and ordinances have to be kept, or they still cannot achieve the celestial kingdom or godhood, according to Mormon authorities. But the Bible as well as the B. of M. clearly teaches that there are only two places to spend eternity — Heaven or Hell.

Since: Sep 12

Ozark, MO

#22966 Apr 2, 2013
Jubmo wrote:
<quoted text>Are u a product of joe myths polygamist relationship, idiot moron
I no product!(Hahahahahaha!!!)

Since: Sep 12

Ozark, MO

#22967 Apr 2, 2013
Jubmo wrote:
<quoted text>Lol, if you don't know the difference between angels, human and god, go nanao ur tungaiku. Hihihi
I'm going with schizophrenic... wow.
Jubmo

Salt Lake City, UT

#22968 Apr 2, 2013
Livinginthelandofcrazy wrote:
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I no product!(Hahahahahaha!!!)
Polygamist fool? Sikotata hihihihi

Since: Sep 12

Ozark, MO

#22970 Apr 2, 2013
Jubmo wrote:
<quoted text>Polygamist fool? Sikotata hihihihi
Are you asking, or attempting to make an insult? Tell you what... It's obvious you skipped taking your meds today. Go take them, come back in about an hour, and try again.
Jubmo

Salt Lake City, UT

#22971 Apr 2, 2013
Livinginthelandofcrazy wrote:
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Are you asking, or attempting to make an insult? Tell you what... It's obvious you skipped taking your meds today. Go take them, come back in about an hour, and try again.
So now you know, get your ass of the computer and shove your polygamist doctrine up your butt hole!!
Jubmo

Salt Lake City, UT

#22972 Apr 2, 2013
No Hell

Even though many do not believe in hell, the Bible speaks of "hell fire" (Matt. 5:22); 18:9), and of everlasting fire (Matt. 18:8 25:41), and everlasting punishment (Matt 25:46). Jesus warned in Matt. 10:28, "Fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Rom. 5:9 says believers in Christ are "saved from (God's) wrath through Him (Christ). Thus, for those who believe the Bible, there is a very real hell from which to be saved.

LDS Apostle John Widtsoe declared, "In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, there is no hell. All will find a measure of salvation" (E. & R., p. 216). Yet, the B. of M. says, "The devil cheateth their souls, and leadeth them away carefully down to hell and behold others he flattereth away, and telleth them there is no hell" (II Nephi 28:21-22). Thus, the B. of M. explains where Mormonism got its doctrine of no hell!

The B. of M. also says, "If ye have procrastinated the day of your repentance even until death, behold, ye have become subjected to the spirit of the devil, and he doth seal you his; therefore, the Spirit of the Lord hath withdrawn from you and hath no place in you, and the devil hath all power over you; and this is the final state of the wicked" (Alma 34:35).

What good is "baptism for the dead" for such people? James Talmage said,"Upon all who reject the word of God in this life will fall the penalties provided; but after the debt has been paid the prison doors shall be opened, and the spirits once confined in suffering, then chastened and clean shall come forth to partake of the glory provided for in their class" (A. of F., p. 148). Can the "final state of the wicked" really be a temporary prison?

The B. of M. says there is "a punishment which also was as eternal as the life of the soul" and "the plan of happiness, which was as eternal also as the life of the soul" (Alma 42:16). And Mosiah 2:38-41 speaks of "never ending torment" and "never ending happiness." That agrees with the Bible, but not with Mormonism! For example, Talmage said:

True eternal punishment has been decreed as the lot of the wicked; but the meaning of this expression has been given by the Lord Himself; eternal punishment is God's punishment; endless punishment is God's punishment, for 'Endless' and 'Eternal' are among His names and the words are descriptive of His attributes. No soul shall be kept in prison or continued in torment beyond the time requisite to work the needed reformation and vindicate justice for which ends alone punishment is imposed (A. of F., pp. 146-147).
Jubmo

Salt Lake City, UT

#22973 Apr 2, 2013
Elder John Morgan also said, "Eternal punishment is God's punishment: everlasting punishment is God's punishment; or in other words it is the name of the punishment God inflicts, He being eternal in his nature. Whosoever, therefore receives God's punishment, receives eternal punishment whether it is endured one hour, one day, one week, one year, or an age" (The Plan of Salvation, p. 30).

Even though LDS sometimes speak about hell or eternal punishment, they usually mean a temporary prison. In Mormonism, "eternal" punishment eventually ends, but "eternal" life is unending! Is that consistent?

Mormons also speak of those who are "damned," but they do not mean "condemned" to unending punishment. For example, D. & C. 132:4 declares, "if ye abide not that covenant [of polygamy] then are ye damned." This means that a person's eternal progression is stopped before he achieves Godhood, like a river is "dammed" up to stop the flow of water. Stephen L. Richards said, "Condemnation or 'damning' is but a retardation in progress" (About Mormonism, p. 12). Thus, LDS do not fear hell. Women have even less reason to fear hell, since Brigham Young said, "I doubt whether it can be found from the revelations that are given and the facts as they exist, that there is a female in all the regions of hell" (J. of D., Vol. VIII, p. 222).

Since: Sep 12

Ozark, MO

#22974 Apr 2, 2013
Jubmo wrote:
<quoted text>So now you know, get your ass of the computer and shove your polygamist doctrine up your butt hole!!
"Get your Ass 'of' the computer"? Which part of the computer is that, genius?

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#22975 Apr 2, 2013
Livinginthelandofcrazy wrote:
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I think in all fairness, that is what we are all doing. Giving our opinion.
True, but I back up mine with scripture to show my I have that opinion.

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