Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

There are 32004 comments on the CNN story from Oct 12, 2011, titled Who says Mormons aren't Christians?. In it, CNN reports that:

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#22835 Mar 29, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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The problem is that when you start teaching that those works are essential to your salvation, you are denying the grace of Jesus Christ:
Jesus never said what you claim.
Jesus never even came close to saying anything you claim as your interpretation of what he said.
Your problem is you don't want to accept the fact that Jesus taught that works were an essential part of our salvation as faith was an essential part of our salvation.
You don't want to accept that teaching from Jesus himself. It was Jesus's teaching, not any one's else. Call him a liar all you want but that will always be to your own judgement time when you face him.
The following from a Christian minister on the web...
From (just)the Gospel of Matthew, here’s a list of all the things that Jesus told us TO DO (that deals with our salvation).
Worship the Lord and serve him only. Mt 4:10
Repent. Mt 4:17
Follow me. Mt 4:19
Shine your light before me and do good deeds. Mt 5:16
Your righteousness must surpass the Pharisees Mt 5:20
Settle matters quickly. Mt 5:25
Give to those who ask, and don’t turn away from those who want to borrow from you. Mt 5:42.
Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. Mt 5:44
Give to the needy. Mt 6:2
Pray. Mt 6:5
Forgive people who sin against you. Mt. 6:14 & 18:35
Fast from food once in awhile. Mt 6:16
Treat people the way you’d like to be treated. Mt 7:12
Enter through the narrow gate. Mt 7:13
Do God’s will. Mt 7:21
Acknowledge Jesus before men. Mt 10:32
Honor your father and mother. Mt 15:4 & 19:19
Be humble. Mt 18:4
Confront the person you have a conflict with. Mt 18:15
Love your neighbor as yourself. Mt 19:19 & 22:39
Serve everyone. Mt 20:26-28 & 23:11
Love God with all your heart, soul and mind. Mt 22:37
Feed, clothes, visit and invite in the poor and needy. Mt 25:35
Make disciples and baptize them. Mt 28:19

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#22836 Mar 29, 2013
*anal gonorrhea

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#22837 Mar 29, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
A look at irony. Mormons today have claimed they are defenders of traditional marriage, fighting gay marriage wherever they can. They say it is the Lords way. But what did their leaders in the past have to say on that?
“Monogamy, or restrictions by law to one wife, is no part of the economy of heaven among men. Such a system was commenced by the founders of the Roman Empire... Rome became the mistress of the world, and introduced this order of monogamy wherever her sway was acknowledged. Thus this monogamic order of marriage, so esteemed by modern Christians as a hold sacrament and divine institution, is nothing but a system established by a set of robbers.”
- Prophet Brigham Young, Deseret News, August 6, 1862
“Since the founding of the Roman empire monogamy has prevailed more extensively than in times previous to that. The founders of that ancient empire were robbers and women stealers, and made laws favoring monogamy in consequence of the scarcity of women among them, and hence this monogamic system which now prevails throughout all Christendom, and which has been so fruitful a source of prostitution and whoredom throughout all the Christian monogamic cities of the Old and New World, until rottenness and decay are at the root of their institutions both national and religious.”
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 11, p. 128
“It is a fact worthy of note that the shortest-lived nations of which we have record have been monogamic. Rome, with her arts, sciences and warlike instincts, was once the mistress of the world; but her glory faded. She was a mono-gamic nation, and the numerous evils attending that system early laid the foundation for that ruin which eventually overtook her.”
- Apostle George Q. Cannon, Journal of Discourses, v. 13, p. 202
“We breathe the free air, we have the best looking men and handsomest women, and if they envy our position, well they may, for they are a poor, narrow minded, pinch-backed race of man, who chain themselves down to the law of monogamy and live all their days under the dominion of one wife. They aught to be ashamed of such conduct, and the still fouler channel which flows from their practices.”
- Prophet George A. Smith, Apostle, Deseret News, April 16, 1856
“... the one-wife system not only degenerates the human family, both physically and intellectually, but it is entirely incompatible with philosophical notions of immortality; it is a lure to temptation, and has always proved a curse to people.”
- Millennial Star, v. 15, p. 227
Ironic because? Mormons TODAY do as (most)any citizen of the US does and follow the law of the land of one man one woman in marriage. So there is no irony.
The irony is that you fail to see what Young said was true. Monogamy was instituted by Rome. Marriage between a man and one or more women was instituted by God. God allowed many of his OT prophets to be polygamists. If polygamy was really evil as you claim and God agreed with you, we would have no evidence of any OT prophet being a polygamist because if it was evil in God's eyes for a man to have two or more wives, he wouldn't have allowed it. Therefore the only cases of polygamy in the OT we would hear about, would be in singular stories stating such and such disobeyed God and took unto themselves more than one wife. But not a single story exists like that.
Plus Young was correct about the existence of polygamy before the Romans changed things because in every culture out there some form of polygamy has existed for thousands of years on the four corners of this earth.
Native Indians from South America all the way to the Arctic circle practised polygamy. Islanders from Hawaii to any where you can probably think of practised polygamy.
In the farthest northern parts of Russia and China to England to Africa and Greenland tribes practised polygamy.
Polygamy became a bad taste in Roman Christianity's mouth. Not God's opinion.

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#22838 Mar 29, 2013
NoMo wrote:
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Westboro claims victim status too..something ALL you bigoted idiots have in common. Does the Klan??
I have no idea...lol...you're the one that believes in the suppression of opinion, not I. Your the one that's equated yourself with the klan and other racially motivated hate groups in that how you think has to be accepted by others or else you'll call them all kinds of filthy names from your darkened heart of prejudice.

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#22839 Mar 29, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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I have no idea...lol...you're the one that believes in the suppression of opinion, not I. Your the one that's equated yourself with the klan and other racially motivated hate groups in that how you think has to be accepted by others or else you'll call them all kinds of filthy names from your darkened heart of prejudice.
Suppression of opinion? Pathetic again...how about oppression of REAL LIVE PEOPLE? You are really struggling with reality.

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#22840 Mar 29, 2013
NoMo wrote:
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So, are you still against mixed race marrriages too, even though they aren't illegal any more?
Excellent post. You prove my point again. You believe in the suppression of opinion. You believe in being verbally abusive as possible to those that that disagree with how you think and believe about same sex marriage. You're will to put on the rainbow coloured klan cloak and hood to persecute all those that disagree with you and have a different opinion.
As for me, I believe people have a right to disagree or agree to anything they wish to agree to or to disagree with. I think that's a moral right we all should give each other.
I personally don't care if there is or isn't a law for marriage at all. I don't care if marriage is for humans and animals or humans and microbes. If someone is being excluded because they weren't included in the beginning or included through the centuries somewhere, then let them petition the law to make an amendment so they can be included. Simple concept to me.
But all this equality and crap about discrimination, marriage was never founded on either.
Polygamous and same sex couples have been purposefully excluded from the right to marry by the establishment of laws in just the last century only. Those laws were passed because of how popular sentiment ran.
Well, popular sentiment is changing and laws are being changed. But real change won't happen till polygamous, same sex and opposite sex couples are all allowed to marry in my book. But establishing a legal right to do something shouldn't be trumped to "equality" and name calling, understand?

Since: Sep 12

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#22841 Mar 29, 2013
NoMo wrote:
<quoted text>PS....Provo highest number of anal cases in the country among teenage girls. Bite me
If that's true, no thanks. Bite yourself.

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#22842 Mar 29, 2013
NoMo wrote:
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If you are really that ignorant, google Ughanda and see who's BEHIND their kill the gays bill. Imagine your very LIFE depending on how well you are able to stay in a closet. Your reality is really small and sick.
Really? And your reality isn't? You have told me many things I should do because I have an opinion including your wish of me to die because of it. Your bud Dana said people with opinions opposing your's and his concerning same sex marriage is discrimination and he equated discrimination to a murderous deed or a deed need to be done as such.
So not only have you and Dana shown an over whelming amount of verbal malevolence against those who disagree with you two, but you two have shown matter of factly people disagreeing with you should actually suffer a physical death for being disagreeable with you two.
You two have stated directly and indirectly the support of a kill anti-same sex marriage proponents law you two would pass if your could.
You two are no different than those you claim are so evil and terrible. You have become exactly like them in voice and in deed if it were legally possible you have proven.
You have become the very filth you wish wouldn't exist.

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#22843 Mar 29, 2013
NoMo wrote:
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Ughanda.sick freak
You're the murderer, not I.
You're the one that saw a child on the way to possible death and did nothing, not I.
You're the one that wishes murder on those for disagreeing with you, not I.
You're the one that's became the mentally violent of murderous thought because people have an opinion you don't like, not I.
Sick Freak is you and your state of mind, not mine.
question

Morehead, KY

#22844 Mar 29, 2013
Mommy2Bof3 wrote:
We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
We believe that man will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
We believe that through the Atonement of Christ all mankind may be saved by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel.
We believe that the first principals and ordinances of the gospel are first, faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, second, repentence; third, baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, laying.on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the gospel and administer the ordinances thereof.
We believe in the same organization that existed in the primitive church, namely apostles, prophets pastures, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
Sounds like any other born again Christian.How is a Mormon different?(Other than believing in the book of Mormon ,and why add the book? if you believe the Bible way ). I think Mormons are saved and good people .

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#22845 Mar 29, 2013
NoMo wrote:
<quoted text>Suppression of opinion? Pathetic again...how about oppression of REAL LIVE PEOPLE? You are really struggling with reality.
lolol...what don't you understand about what you have stated that is your clarified position on this matter?
You have stated people that disagree with you about same sex marriage should all wither up and die. They should cease to exist. They shouldn't have an opinion. UNLESS they decided to agree with your opinion and than their okay but you'll always remind them of how they once defied your opinion by having one in opposition to your's.
You call all sorts of names from that black heart of yours for those that disagree with your opinion.
You have wished death and destruction on all those that disagree with your opinion.
You have became a suppressor of other's opinions. What don't you understand about your self? Other's understand your proclamations, why don't you? You stated them!

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#22846 Mar 29, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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You're the murderer, not I.
You're the one that saw a child on the way to possible death and did nothing, not I.
You're the one that wishes murder on those for disagreeing with you, not I.
You're the one that's became the mentally violent of murderous thought because people have an opinion you don't like, not I.
Sick Freak is you and your state of mind, not mine.
Telling lies makes you look pathetic. Got anything REAL?

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#22847 Mar 29, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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Really? And your reality isn't? You have told me many things I should do because I have an opinion including your wish of me to die because of it. Your bud Dana said people with opinions opposing your's and his concerning same sex marriage is discrimination and he equated discrimination to a murderous deed or a deed need to be done as such.
So not only have you and Dana shown an over whelming amount of verbal malevolence against those who disagree with you two, but you two have shown matter of factly people disagreeing with you should actually suffer a physical death for being disagreeable with you two.
You two have stated directly and indirectly the support of a kill anti-same sex marriage proponents law you two would pass if your could.
You two are no different than those you claim are so evil and terrible. You have become exactly like them in voice and in deed if it were legally possible you have proven.
You have become the very filth you wish wouldn't exist.
More lies, liar. Die?...no. I WISH you would go away, but it's a free country.
Your lies don't intimidate me, piggy. They don't make sense either

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#22848 Mar 29, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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lolol...what don't you understand about what you have stated that is your clarified position on this matter?
You have stated people that disagree with you about same sex marriage should all wither up and die. They should cease to exist. They shouldn't have an opinion. UNLESS they decided to agree with your opinion and than their okay but you'll always remind them of how they once defied your opinion by having one in opposition to your's.
You call all sorts of names from that black heart of yours for those that disagree with your opinion.
You have wished death and destruction on all those that disagree with your opinion.
You have became a suppressor of other's opinions. What don't you understand about your self? Other's understand your proclamations, why don't you? You stated them!
No mas pantalones, lunatic. Boyd K PaKKKer is withering away just fine on his own.
Father overtime

Salt Lake City, UT

#22849 Mar 29, 2013
NoMo wrote:
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No mas pantalones, lunatic. Boyd K PaKKKer is withering away just fine on his own.
You hate people that disagree with you. What an ugly personality you must have.

Since: Sep 12

West Plains, MO

#22850 Mar 29, 2013
Father overtime wrote:
<quoted text>You hate people that disagree with you. What an ugly personality you must have.
I totally agree with you 100%.

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#22851 Mar 29, 2013
Father overtime wrote:
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You hate people that disagree with you. What an ugly personality you must have.
I'm sick of your bigoted cult ...so do you think they will pull her temple reccommend like they did that kid who wanted to be a missionary?

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/t/video/person-week...

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#22852 Mar 29, 2013
NoMo wrote:
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Telling lies makes you look pathetic. Got anything REAL?
That's so sweet and so telling of your despicable nature and that darkened hating heart. You accuse me of lying when I tell your truths?
You allowed a child to die. You did say you knew him "very well". You did say you knew "all that was happening to that child at home and at school". You did say you knew of the "abuse he suffered and the bullying he endured". And you matter of factly did nothing to intervene. That makes you an accomplice to his self murder as if you had did it yourself. You allowed a child to die. I see no lie in the information YOU PROVIDED.
You have wished my death for my opinion about same sex marriage. People don't make that statement unless they mean it. And your black heart meant it. No lie there in the statements you have repeatedly made to me.
Your mind speaks the filth of your blackened heart all the time. You'll state a lie like you did this time to say you didn't lie when you factually did lie.
You let a child die.
You have wished death and destruction and other things on those that disagreed with your opinion of same sex marriage. That was no lie you told. But you lie saying you said no lie.
Speaking of pathetic...

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#22853 Mar 29, 2013
NoMo wrote:
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More lies, liar. Die?...no. I WISH you would go away, but it's a free country.
Your lies don't intimidate me, piggy. They don't make sense either
Your a rainbow cloak and hood clansman out to prove you can suppress others opinions by doing your pathetic worst to verbally intimidate and ridicule them from the dark void of that black heart.
Nice to see the old immature nomo come to the surface to prove how much you think your name calling will harm someone's emotional well being...lolol...fricking pathetic...

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#22854 Mar 29, 2013
NoMo wrote:
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I'm sick of your bigoted cult ...so do you think they will pull her temple reccommend like they did that kid who wanted to be a missionary?
Your personality quirks are calling attention from people who haven't had a lot to say to you. Just saying you have issues you project to a lot of people here that haven't even really engaged you in conversation. Their just listening to the malevolent hate that drips from your words like many do. They make a comment about it and you trash talk them.
You're like the alcoholic that people notice is a alcoholic who might say something about it to you and instead of thinking maybe their right, you try to verbally rip their heads off and continue to drink.
You have some real hate and anger issues. I have never really said to you where I think it comes from. I do have some respect for you as a person to not embarrass you in such a conversation that private in these threads.
I know we battle. I know why you battle me and I know why I pinch you back to piss you off. If you ever really wish to speak candidly in a more civil tone, you can message me. I'm a good listener. Just offering.

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