Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

[lost-cause]

Susanm wrote:

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So you are saying that there is no diggerence between killing and dying?

Even in a spontaneous abortion, something is doing the killing

[sassy Jm]

lil Lily wrote:

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"Well technically it is an abortion."
It's not an "elective" abortion. Miscarriage is also not an "elective" abortion, even though "technically" it too is an abortion.

They can't comprehend the two.

Grandma being stabbed through the heart results in her death.

Grandma dying naturally of old age results in death.

They can't comprehend that either.

Elective abortion is DELIBERATE killing.

Spontaneous abortion(miscarriage)is not.

BOTH end up dead but there is a difference,just like Grandma's scenerio's.

Lily,I'm done for now with these ignorant fools. Have fun :) lol

BTW..Lady Venus is NASTY NANA..a poster "naughty nana" "GrandmaDC". She is undercover. She is a racist against her own grandchildren and daughters choice of men. She is anti-woman. She and her husband aided in an abortion(friend)-her husband drove her to the abortion INSTEAD of helping the woman. She is anti-catholic because supposedly she sewed matching dresses for her and her daughter and when they walked in the entire congregation got up and laughed at them.

She's a mess.

[lost-cause]

sassy Jm wrote:

<quoted text> They can't comprehend the two.
Grandma being stabbed through the heart results in her death.
Grandma dying naturally of old age results in death.
They can't comprehend that either.
Elective abortion is DELIBERATE killing.
Spontaneous abortion(miscarriage)is not.
BOTH end up dead but there is a difference,just like Grandma's scenerio's.
Lily,I'm done for now with these ignorant fools. Have fun :) lol
BTW..Lady Venus is NASTY NANA..a poster "naughty nana" "GrandmaDC". She is undercover. She is a racist against her own grandchildren and daughters choice of men. She is anti-woman. She and her husband aided in an abortion(friend)-her husband drove her to the abortion INSTEAD of helping the woman. She is anti-catholic because supposedly she sewed matching dresses for her and her daughter and when they walked in the entire congregation got up and laughed at them.
She's a mess.

Do you or do you not believe in abortion for any reason?

Nope!

[Lady_Venus]

sassy Jm wrote:

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1. what questions of yours went unanswered by me?
2. who do I "hatefully interrogate" here.
3. ""Just what kind of woman are you? What have you done in your life to better secure the role women have in society""" "
I am a confident woman,who has morals,lives by them and therefore leads me to reach out (vocally and tangibly)to defend life AND help those who need help. I am a mother who loves her children,and raises them to respect themselves,honor their creator and to respect others who were also created in Gods image and likeness...therefore rending them VALUABLE and WORTHY. I am a wife who loves her husband. We are good examples to our children and to each other.
THAT in itself should suffice for now :)
I'm not that kinda girl that feels the need to PROVE my worth. My worth and value came to me at conception when God WILLED me to exist. My contributions in life only enhance my uniqueness.
4. """" you honestly have no idea what you’re up against""" "
You support killing human life as choice. Therefore,I am not interested in anything about you. As someone who knows that you also were created in Gods image and likeness,sharing the very same VALUE and worthiness as me,I will pray for your conversion.
Go attempt to impress someone else with your resume.
Have a great Day.

You are the one who wastes valuable energy researching and rereading every post ever made on this thread, don’t be lazy, do your homework!

You hatefully interrogate every soul that walks in this joint, but yesterday you were relentless with SKL.

Firstly, you made the accusation that I hate women, on what bloody grounds? What gives you the right to judge, I was waiting for the Christian reference, do not judge others unless thyself be judged, you are meant to leave the Judging to the Maker sister! That is only one of an endless number of examples of your deeply rooted hypocrisy. Morals, honor, interesting!

Secondly, to even insinuate that I do not teach my child good morals and values or that I in some way do not lead by good example is very bumptious of you and exceptionally arrogant. And the second example of your hypocrisy!

Thirdly, I would not have been so pointed with my address to you had you not taken the approach you did with me. Do unto others miss.

I will share very limited information with you, as frankly, I don’t like you and have very little time for your small minded kind! It was made clear before that I am a mother, I raise my son well, he is a respectful highly intelligent little guy. He has been brought up to RESPECT others and VALUE diversity! All man was created equal, though it is down to the individual to maintain equality. We have a firm RESPECT for cultural and religious differences. Furthermore, I am an educated individual having attended a top university in London. One example of what I have done to further the betterment of WOMEN in society, I worked and lived in Kabul Afghanistan for a year and a half just after the war, on a project training female midwives, that’s just the tip of the iceberg sister, the REACH project was amazing, Afghanistan is my home way from home an will always have a very dear place in my heart. Other projects in other countries, similar line of work. So please, refrain from telling me that I hate women, you are bang out of order and not surprisingly, WRONG again.

"Kind of woman that doesn’t feel the need to PROVE your worth" In that case, stop demanding others to do so, wait for it, third example of hypocrisy.

I will leave the Judging to “GOD”, it was not, is not, and never will be your job, you need to relinquish your self from the self titled position!

Now, do not speak unless spoken to, certainly you know your place by now.

[Katie]

sassy Jm wrote:

<quoted text> The ectopic pregnancy removal is not an "abortion". The surgery is to remove the baby(who is most likely dead)out of the tube where it doesn't belong. Name ONE case where the mother "knew" that her baby was in the fallopian tube and CHOSE to allow it to potentially grow to full term. Go ahead...I'll wait..
The womans life is in danger with an ectopic pregnancy because it's not natural. BOTH will die. One probably is already dead(her offspring).
Deliberately killing a womans offspring while in utero is an abortion. The removal of a misplaced little life is not a direct act to "kill" the womans offspring.
You people are beyond help.

Abortion is the ending of pregnancy prior to term.
Anything or any way that pregnancy ends is abortion.
There is no distinction here.

Am glad you are finally able to accept abortion under emergency situations. Perhaps your daughter will not be subjected to death if she ever faces such an emergency herself. It is apparent your views are changing and that is a good thing. You don't need to be so combative with me or anyone else over it.

[Katie]

Susanm wrote:

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So you are saying that there is no diggerence between killing and dying?

I said what I said. You'll make of it what you will with or without my input.

[Lady_Venus]

sassy Jm wrote:

<quoted text> They can't comprehend the two.
Grandma being stabbed through the heart results in her death.
Grandma dying naturally of old age results in death.
They can't comprehend that either.
Elective abortion is DELIBERATE killing.
Spontaneous abortion(miscarriage)is not.
BOTH end up dead but there is a difference,just like Grandma's scenerio's.
Lily,I'm done for now with these ignorant fools. Have fun :) lol
BTW..Lady Venus is NASTY NANA..a poster "naughty nana" "GrandmaDC". She is undercover. She is a racist against her own grandchildren and daughters choice of men. She is anti-woman. She and her husband aided in an abortion(friend)-her husband drove her to the abortion INSTEAD of helping the woman. She is anti-catholic because supposedly she sewed matching dresses for her and her daughter and when they walked in the entire congregation got up and laughed at them.
She's a mess.

BTW, wrong again!
Again, shut up Sassy, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Racist, really, go on? Prove it!
I have no grandchildren, though I look forward to the day, I love being a mother so much, I hear grandma’s have even more fun!;-)
FYI, not even 30 yet, but thanks as you have only proved that my maturity out ranks yours.
I have no shame in my life, though you clearly have some in yours as you so ignorantly post.
I need a shower, your filth is cramping my style.

[Lady_Venus]

sassy Jm wrote:

<quoted text> Who here doesn't know my position after all this time? LC,I've been crystal clear on my stance. I am against abortion.
I've gone out of my way to explain EXTREME cases and how technologies allow BOTH to be saved. Those happen to be FIRST trimester. Baby could die indirectly as a result but those are RARE. Viable babies can be delivered worst case scenerio and they have a great chance then,but unfortunately,if they are immature then they could die. Either way,the attempt was to save BOTH,so it's not a killing if baby does die. No more or less than if mom dies during an attempt to save her life.
An ectopic pregnancy usually means the death of that little life by the time mom finds out that she is having one. The life isn't suppose to grow there,so it's not natural,and WILL result in the death of mom and baby. That is not an abortion to remove the life from the tube. The act and intention is not to kill/slaughter and tear apart UNLESS of course the Dr is a proabort who doesn't respect human life in general.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

"all you're ever gonna be is mean!"

[Susanm]

lost-cause wrote:

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Even in a spontaneous abortion, something is doing the killing

How so?

[Susanm]

Katie wrote:

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Abortion is the ending of pregnancy prior to term.
Anything or any way that pregnancy ends is abortion.
There is no distinction here.
Am glad you are finally able to accept abortion under emergency situations. Perhaps your daughter will not be subjected to death if she ever faces such an emergency herself. It is apparent your views are changing and that is a good thing. You don't need to be so combative with me or anyone else over it.

Dying is the way a life ends. Is there a distinction between killing and dying?

[Susanm]

Katie wrote:

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I said what I said. You'll make of it what you will with or without my input.

I will take that as a yes.

[lost-cause]

Susanm wrote:

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How so?

Well, the way I see it is that even if one dies of old age, it's the age that is killing them. There's always a cause...

[Katie]

sassy Jm wrote:

<quoted text> I answered your question. You are ASSUMING that because she miscarried,that her body is "done" handling another pregnancy. That is complete and utter nonsense. MANY have miscarriages and go on to have many more children.
Why would I ASSUME that Mrs Duggar can't handle another pregnancy? Show me proof. Why would I then suggest abstaining if there has been no sign of such thing? For all we know,she could go on to have 20 more.
Why would you ask me about her? Why not ask me if I think that someone on here that has miscarried should abstain?
Silly girl.

I see you've forgotten your post about abstaining and giving kudos to the Duggars for "being open to life". With her last two pregnancies taken in consideration, would you insist to their faces *they* abstain during her fertile times OR would you keep your nosy parker butt out of their personal business?

You haven't answered that question and it's the only one I asked regarding this.

[Kenose]

sassy Jm wrote:

<quoted text> Receiving treatment while pregnant and then miscarrying,is not an abortion.
Times have changed LC, and our advanced technologies provide options for women,where once upon a time,they were told ABORT or die. Cancer patients were one of them. Today,baby are not subjected to that. Women can be treated or have their treatments postponed a few weeks if possible. The stress of killing their child only harmed their health and had opposite affects on their recovery.
Emergency cases have ended in the woman miscarrying,but that's not an abortion. The attempt was to save moms life and baby died indirectly.

A miscarriage is an abortion, a spontaneous abortion. You know this. Obviously it is not the same, but it is still an abortion, just not the type you're fighting against.

[lost-cause]

Katie wrote:

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I see you've forgotten your post about abstaining and giving kudos to the Duggars for "being open to life". With her last two pregnancies taken in consideration, would you insist to their faces *they* abstain during her fertile times OR would you keep your nosy parker butt out of their personal business?
You haven't answered that question and it's the only one I asked regarding this.

You're right Katie, she didn't answer you. Funny how some questions go unanswered, huh?:-)

[C Hamilton]

sassy Jm wrote:

An ectopic pregnancy usually means the death of that little life by the time mom finds out that she is having one. The life isn't suppose to grow there,so it's not natural,and WILL result in the death of mom and baby. That is not an abortion to remove the life from the tube

The womans life is in danger with an ectopic pregnancy because it's not natural. BOTH will die. One probably is already dead(her offspring).
Deliberately killing a womans offspring while in utero is an abortion. The removal of a misplaced little life is not a direct act to "kill" the womans offspring.

Ectopic pregnancy doesn't ALWAYS end in the death of the embryo/fetus. Baby Durga made it. But, yes, choosing to remove an ectopic pregnancy is an abortion by definition. Are you saying that abortion in the case of an ectopic pregnancy that "might" result in live childbirth is ok?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7427907.stm

sassy Jm wrote:

BTW..Lady Venus is NASTY NANA..a poster "naughty nana" "GrandmaDC". She is undercover. She is a racist against her own grandchildren and daughters choice of men.

Nana hasn't posted here in a good long time. It’s pathetic that you have to lie at every turn (You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour -- guess that one doesn't apply to you). Let’s see your proof that LV is Nana. More importantly, let’s see your proof that Nana EVER made any racist comment against her own grandchildren – EVER.

JM's next move: Turn this into a personal attack, ignore the post or run & hide.

[Susanm]

lost-cause wrote:

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Well, the way I see it is that even if one dies of old age, it's the age that is killing them. There's always a cause...

What is doing the killing in a spontaneous abortion?

[Katie]

Susanm wrote:

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I will take that as a yes.

A yes to what? Please do elaborate.

[Katie]

lost-cause wrote:

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You're right Katie, she didn't answer you. Funny how some questions go unanswered, huh?:-)

Yep! Sure is funny.
LOLOL

Happy Friday, LC :)

[lost-cause]

C Hamilton wrote:

<quoted text>Ectopic pregnancy doesn't ALWAYS end in the death of the embryo/fetus. Baby Durga made it. But, yes, choosing to remove an ectopic pregnancy is an abortion by definition. Are you saying that abortion in the case of an ectopic pregnancy that "might" result in live childbirth is ok?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7427907.stm
<quoted text>Nana hasn't posted here in a good long time. It’s pathetic that you have to lie at every turn (You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour -- guess that one doesn't apply to you). Let’s see your proof that LV is Nana. More importantly, let’s see your proof that Nana EVER made any racist comment against her own grandchildren – EVER.
JM's next move: Turn this into a personal attack, ignore the post or run & hide.

Hey Cham! Long time no see!:-)