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Donald Rumsfeld to Diane Sawyer: 'It's Possible' Troop Decisions Were a Mistake in Iraq

There are 35 comments on the ABC News story from Feb 7, 2011, titled Donald Rumsfeld to Diane Sawyer: 'It's Possible' Troop Decisions Were a Mistake in Iraq. In it, ABC News reports that:

More than four years after leaving public life, former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld continues to believe the war in Iraq was worth the effort, and has no apologies for his decision-making in leading the campaigns in Afghanistan and Iraq.

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Frazer

Toronto, Canada

#1 Feb 7, 2011

“If you believe it, stand by it”

Since: May 07

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#2 Feb 7, 2011
Allowing Donald Rumsfeld to make battlefield decisions was the worse mistake George Bush ever made. He was nothing but a penny pinching miser. When you go to war you go all out to win. If you want to pinch pennies then don't go to war. The failures early in the Iraq war were caused by Rumsfeld's dictatorial leadership and his desire to "shrink" the military at all cost.
Frazer

Toronto, Canada

#3 Feb 7, 2011

“Proud To Be An American”

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#4 Feb 7, 2011
Attention Diane Sawyer, you Ivory Tower Douchebag!!! When are you going to question the treasonous self-serving democRat gas-bags below?

Imagine yourself day in and day out roaming around the streets of Baghdad while the enemy is listening to the treasonous democRats below via Al Jazzera and being inspired to push on, to fight a little harder, the American people are getting weaker and weaker…

• Democrat John Kerry, Feb. 2007: "The simple fact is that sending in over 20,000 additional troops isn't the answer--in fact, it's a tragic mistake. It won't end the violence; it won't provide security; ...it won't turn back the clock and avoid the civil war that is already underway; it won't deter terrorists, who have a completely different agenda; it won't rein in the militias."
• Democrat Dennis Kucinich, Feb. 2007: "It has been proven time and time again that troop surges don't work."
• Democrat Harry Reid, Apr. 2007: "The war is lost... This surge is not accomplishing anything."
• Democrat Christopher Dodd, Apr. 2007: "We don't need a surge of troops in Iraq... there is no military solution in Iraq. To insist upon a surge is wrong."
• Democrat Barack Obama, Jul. 2007: "My assessment is that the surge has not worked."
• Democrat Dick Durbin, Aug. 2007: "By carefully manipulating the statistics, the Bush-Petraeus report will try to persuade us that violence in Iraq is decreasing and thus the surge is working. Even if the figures were right, the conclusion is wrong."
• Democrat Jan Schakowsky, Aug. 2007: "I believe overall the surge is a failure....It’s clear to me we cannot win..."
• Democrat Joe Biden, Sep. 2007: "We should stop the surge and start bringing our troops home...[When asked whether Iraq closer to political reconciliation than before the surge began, and would continuing the operation stop the killing between Sunnis, Shi'ites and Kurds?]...The answer to both those questions is no."
• Democrat John Kerry, Sep. 2007: ""The president's escalation ... has failed to achieve its goal of bringing about a resolution of the fundamental conflict between Sunni and Shi'ite."
• Democrat Chris Dodd, Sep. 2007: "It pains me to say that ... the surge tactic is a failure — and that failure is reconfirmed everyday by unfolding events in Iraq."
• Democrat Barack Obama, Oct. 2007: "[The surge is a] complete failure... Iraq’s leaders are not reconciling. They are not achieving political benchmarks."
• Democrat Harry Reid, Nov. 2007: "It is indisputable that the goals of the surge have failed."
• Democrat Joe Biden, Nov. 2007: "This whole notion that the surge is working is fantasy."
• Democrat Nancy Pelosi, Feb. 2008: "There haven't been gains [in Iraq]... The gains have not produced the desired effect, which is the reconciliation of Iraq. This is a failure. This is a failure."
• Democrat Carl Levin, Apr. 2008: "...the purpose of the surge as announced by President Bush last year... has not been achieved"
• Democrat Joe Biden, Apr. 2008: "The purpose of the surge was to bring violence in Iraq down so that its leaders could come together politically. Violence has come down, but the Iraqis have not come together... We Democrats understand that this war must end..."
• Democrat Bill Richardson, Jun. 2008: "[when asked if he was ready to concede that John McCain had been right in proposing the surge, said] "Absolutely not."
HeadCheese

Kansas City, MO

#5 Feb 7, 2011
JohnInLa wrote:
Attention Diane Sawyer, you Ivory Tower Douchebag!!! When are you going to question the treasonous self-serving democRat gas-bags below?
Imagine yourself day in and day out roaming around the streets of Baghdad while the enemy is listening to the treasonous democRats
And in your tiny little mind, how would that change Rumsfelds admission that using our troops, wasting American lives, and borrowed funds to nation-build was a mistake?

People like you claim to be sooooo much better than Dems, while you sit on your ivory couch. But when the actions of your are less than correct, you scream "Dems did it also" in defense.

Face it, Bush's, Rumsfeld, and company made one of the biggest mistakes since the Repub party has existed. It's cost this nation much in spending and lives.

All because folks like you believed "God told Bush" to liberate Shia Muslims, cause folks like you lamented "Saddam is hurting his own people".

The tea-party didn't tea-bag the repub party because dems weren't sticking to repub party principles.

Repub party will forever be lost, cause repubs like your turn the other way and point out Dem issues, while your own party makes huge mistakes like this one.

Go ahead, Tell us "dems liberated shia muslims and used our troops to nation build in Iraq on borrowed funds also...na nana na na!"

Feel better. That erases your support of Rumsfeld admitted mistake right?
HeadCheese

Kansas City, MO

#6 Feb 7, 2011
JohnInLa wrote:
Attention Diane Sawyer, you Ivory Tower Douchebag!!! When are you going to question the treasonous self-serving democRat gas-bags below
Blah blah blah.

God told Bush to liberate Shia Muslims from Sunni Muslims in Iraq.

You believed it, and supported Nation-Building using U.S. troops. Costing American lives. You supported borrowing funds from NUKE power and economic competitor, Communist China.

You supported not putting the cost on the U.S. Budget for 5 years, but instead allowing "emergency funding requests" from Bush, so this way the cost of nation-building doesn't have to be budgeted for.

What in your post changed that, or makes you feel as though your posts erases YOUR mistakes?

I'll help you. NOTHING.
Donald Rumsfeld

Brooksville, FL

#7 Feb 7, 2011
Let's clear this up once and for all .......

It was I and not Hans Blix that found the weapons of mass destruction.
I was walking down a back street in Baghdad one day with a U.S. military officer when I suddenly looked down on the ground and found 11 paper clips and 4 rubber bands.
I quickly telephoned my findings to President George W. Bush in Washington and he immediately declared me a hero.
TrueLibertarian

Kansas City, MO

#8 Feb 7, 2011
Donald Rumsfeld wrote:
Let's clear this up once and for all .......
It was I and not Hans Blix that found the weapons of mass destruction.
I was walking down a back street in Baghdad one day with a U.S. military officer when I suddenly looked down on the ground and found 11 paper clips and 4 rubber bands.
I quickly telephoned my findings to President George W. Bush in Washington and he immediately declared me a hero.
But no mobile chem lab?

When they build that Atlantic Ocean Parkway, allowing the Mobile Chem Lab to threatened the U.S. we are toast.

Use our satellites (or pull out Google maps). We can see the date on a quarter from 60 miles, so I'm sure we can track a mobile chem lab. But then again, Bush and Rummey didn't want to waste time tracking lies and spin.

You must find it.
TrueLibertarian

Kansas City, MO

#9 Feb 7, 2011
Anyone get the feeling that if this story lead with "Obama admits mistake with troops.....", we'd have 4 pages of posting from the typical rightwing sheep Bush and Palin fans by now.

This story must show up with a very very small font on the screens of those typical neo-con, nation-building, Shia Muslim liberation using my taxes and borrowed funds, rightwing hypocrites.
Sly Fox News

New York, NY

#11 Feb 7, 2011
A Spy Speaks Out
Former Top CIA Official Tyler Drumheller On "Faulty" Intelligence Claims /
http://tinyurl.com/rle4x / April 23, 2006

"The policy was set. The war in Iraq was coming and they were looking for intelligence to fit into the policy."

Tyler Drumheller CIA Ret.

(CBS) When no weapons of mass destruction surfaced in Iraq, President Bush insisted that all those WMD claims before the war were the result of faulty intelligence. But a former top CIA official, Tyler Drumheller — a 26-year veteran of the agency — has decided to do something CIA officials at his level almost never do: Speak out.

He tells correspondent Ed Bradley the real failure was not in the intelligence community but in the White House. He says he saw how the Bush administration, time and again, welcomed intelligence that fit the president's determination to go to war and turned a blind eye to intelligence that did not.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/21/60m...

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Ex-CIA Official Paul Pillar Faults Use of Data on Iraq
Intelligence 'Misused' to Justify War, He Says
February 10, 2006 / http://tinyurl.com/azl6w

The former CIA official who coordinated U.S. intelligence on the Middle East until last year has accused the Bush administration of "cherry-picking" intelligence on Iraq to justify a decision it had already reached to go to war, and of ignoring warnings that the country could easily fall into violence and chaos after an invasion to overthrow Saddam Hussein.

Paul R Pillar's critique is one of the most severe indictments of White House actions by a former Bush official since Richard C. Clarke, a former National Security Council staff member, went public with his criticism of the administration's handling of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and its failure to deal with the terrorist threat beforehand.

It is also the first time that such a senior intelligence officer has so directly and publicly condemned the administration's handling of intelligence.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...

1948 Smith-Mundt Act The 1948 Smith-Mundt Act prohibited the domestic dissemination of United States government propaganda. The reasoning behind Smith-Mundt was that Congress wanted to be certain that a United States government agency could not brainwash our own citizens as Hitler had done in Germany.
Sly Fox News

New York, NY

#12 Feb 7, 2011
Calling Marine Major Ritter
Like it or not, Marine Major Scott Ritter had it right all along.

By Colonel David Hackworth
http://tinyurl.com/zu8o7

Ritter, the United Nations' chief weapons inspector in Iraq until 1998, took us all on – virtually alone, against incredible odds – stating, "Iraq is not a threat to the U.S." and begging the American people to take charge and not "sit back and allow your government to go to war against Iraq ...[without all] the facts on the table to back this war up."

As per his reputation on training fields and battlefields, this granite-jawed former Marine stood his ground and never flinched. He reminds me of another two-fisted, tell-it-like-it-is Marine, Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler, the recipient of two Medals of Honor, who was almost drummed out of the Marine Corps twice: Once in the 1930s for calling Benito Mussolini a "fascist," and once again a few years later when he rattled the military-industrial complex by daring to declare that "War is a racket."

Ritter, too, took serious punishment from his critics – and instead of doing proper due diligence or asking hard questions, the media quickly piled on. It was not Fox's finest hour when that network gleefully painted him as a 21st-century Benedict Arnold – not that he had many primetime advocates anywhere else. Even CNN's usually evenhanded Paula Zahn said to Ritter six months before America unleashed its miscalculated military solution on Iraq, "People out there are accusing you of drinking Saddam Hussein's Kool-Aid." http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp...
GoodRepublicanSt ooge

Kansas City, MO

#13 Feb 7, 2011
Looking for a way to avoid reading comments from rightwing sheep.

Hang around stories like this.

If this story was about Obama tying his shoelace, we'd have 105 rightwing sheep comments by now. LOL
Report card

Toronto, Canada

#14 Feb 7, 2011
Sly Fox News wrote:
Calling Marine Major Ritter

Like it or not,

Marine Major Scott Ritter had it right all along.
By Colonel David Hackworth

http://tinyurl.com/zu8o7

snip

"People out there are accusing you of drinking Saddam Hussein's Kool-Aid." http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp...
http://www.topix.com/world/north-america/2011...
Report card

Toronto, Canada

#15 Feb 7, 2011
Sly Fox News

New York, NY

#16 Feb 7, 2011
Report card wrote:
General Speaks Out on Iraq
http://tinyurl.com/29d7r8

Mr. President, you did not listen, General Batiste says in new television advertisements being broadcast in Republican Congressional districts as part of a $500,000 campaign financed by http://www.votevets.org You continue to pursue a failed strategy that is breaking our great Army and Marine Corps. I left the Army in protest in order to speak out. Mr. President, you have placed our nation in peril. Our only hope is that Congress will act now to protect our fighting men and women.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/13/us/13genera...

General Eaton's Letter to President Bush on Veto
May 1, 2007 http://tinyurl.com/2umrln

Dear Mr. President,
Today, in your veto message regarding the bipartisan legislation just passed on Operation Iraqi Freedom, you asserted that you so decided because you listen to your commanders on the ground.
Respectfully, as your former commander on the ground, your administration did not listen to our best advice. In fact, a number of my fellow Generals were forced out of their jobs, because they did not tell you what you wanted to hear -- most notably General Eric Shinseki, whose foresight regarding troop levels was advice you rejected, at our troops' peril. http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/11973

America's Angriest General John Batiste
http://tinyurl.com/2jjohc May 10, 2007

Retired two-star Army Gen. John Batiste is lashing out at the Bush war in Iraq in ads targeting key Republicans up for re-election in 2008. His offensive may change the rules regarding civilian-military relations.

"Mr. President, you did not listen," he says. "You continue to pursue a failed strategy that is breaking our Army and Marine Corps."
The ad is scheduled to air from May 10 to 18, targeting Republican Sens. Susan Collins (Maine), John Sununu (New Hampshire), John Warner (Virginia) and Norm Coleman (Minnesota), and 10 GOP House members, including Mary Bono, Phil English, Randy Kuhl, Jim Walsh and Heather Wilson.
http://blythe-systems.com/pipermail/nytr/Week...
Sly Fox News

New York, NY

#17 Feb 7, 2011
Why Iraq Was a Mistake
By Lt. General GREGORY NEWBOLD, Retired
http://tinyurl.com/p4j93 Apr. 09, 2006
From 2000 until October 2002, I was a Marine Corps lieutenant general and director of operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff. After 9/11, I was a witness and therefore a party to the actions that led us to the invasion of Iraq--an unnecessary war.

Inside the military family, I made no secret of my view that the zealots' rationale for war made no sense. And I think I was outspoken enough to make those senior to me uncomfortable.

But I now regret that I did not more openly challenge those who were determined to invade a country whose actions were peripheral to the real threat--al-Qaeda.

I retired from the military four months before the invasion, in part because of my opposition to those who had used 9/11's tragedy to hijack our security policy. Until now, I have resisted speaking out in public. I've been silent long enough.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9...

General Anthony Zinni, USMC,(Ret.) Remarks at CDI Board of Directors Dinner, May 12, 2004 http://tinyurl.com/8ldmo

I think the first mistake that was made was misjudging the success of containment. I heard the president say, not too long ago, I believe it was with the interview with Tim Russert that ... I'm not sure ... but at some point I heard him say that "containment did not work." That's not true.

So to say containment didn't work, I think is not only wrong from the experiences we had then, but the proof is in the pudding, in what kind of military our troops faced when we went in there.

The third mistake, I think was one we repeated from Vietnam, we had to create a false rationale for going in to get public support. The books were cooked, in my mind. The intelligence was not there. I testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee one month before the war, and Senator Lugar asked me: "General Zinni, do you feel the threat from Saddam Hussein is imminent?" I said: "No, not at all. It was not an imminent threat. Not even close. Not grave, gathering, imminent, serious, severe, mildly upsetting, none of those."
http://www.cdi.org/program/document.cfm...
Big Al

United States

#18 Feb 7, 2011
JohnInLa wrote:
Attention Diane Sawyer, you Ivory Tower Douchebag!!! When are you going to question the treasonous self-serving democRat gas-bags below?
Imagine yourself day in and day out roaming around the streets of Baghdad while the enemy is listening to the treasonous democRats below via Al Jazzera and being inspired to push on, to fight a little harder, the American people are getting weaker and weaker…
• Democrat John Kerry, Feb. 2007: "The simple fact is that sending in over 20,000 additional troops isn't the answer--in fact, it's a tragic mistake. It won't end the violence; it won't provide security; ...it won't turn back the clock and avoid the civil war that is already underway; it won't deter terrorists, who have a completely different agenda; it won't rein in the militias."
• Democrat Dennis Kucinich, Feb. 2007: "It has been proven time and time again that troop surges don't work."
• Democrat Harry Reid, Apr. 2007: "The war is lost... This surge is not accomplishing anything."
• Democrat Christopher Dodd, Apr. 2007: "We don't need a surge of troops in Iraq... there is no military solution in Iraq. To insist upon a surge is wrong."
• Democrat Barack Obama, Jul. 2007: "My assessment is that the surge has not worked."
• Democrat Dick Durbin, Aug. 2007: "By carefully manipulating the statistics, the Bush-Petraeus report will try to persuade us that violence in Iraq is decreasing and thus the surge is working. Even if the figures were right, the conclusion is wrong."
• Democrat Jan Schakowsky, Aug. 2007: "I believe overall the surge is a failure....It’s clear to me we cannot win..."
• Democrat Joe Biden, Sep. 2007: "We should stop the surge and start bringing our troops home...[When asked whether Iraq closer to political reconciliation than before the surge began, and would continuing the operation stop the killing between Sunnis, Shi'ites and Kurds?]...The answer to both those questions is no."
• Democrat John Kerry, Sep. 2007: ""The president's escalation ... has failed to achieve its goal of bringing about a resolution of the fundamental conflict between Sunni and Shi'ite."
• Democrat Chris Dodd, Sep. 2007: "It pains me to say that ... the surge tactic is a failure — and that failure is reconfirmed everyday by unfolding events in Iraq."
• Democrat Barack Obama, Oct. 2007: "[The surge is a] complete failure... Iraq’s leaders are not reconciling. They are not achieving political benchmarks."
• Democrat Harry Reid, Nov. 2007: "It is indisputable that the goals of the surge have failed."
• Democrat Joe Biden, Nov. 2007: "This whole notion that the surge is working is fantasy."
• Democrat Nancy Pelosi, Feb. 2008: "There haven't been gains [in Iraq]... The gains have not produced the desired effect, which is the reconciliation of Iraq. This is a failure. This is a failure."
• Democrat Carl Levin, Apr. 2008: "...the purpose of the surge as announced by President Bush last year... has not been achieved"
• Democrat Joe Biden, Apr. 2008: "The purpose of the surge was to bring violence in Iraq down so that its leaders could come together politically. Violence has come down, but the Iraqis have not come together... We Democrats understand that this war must end..."
• Democrat Bill Richardson, Jun. 2008: "[when asked if he was ready to concede that John McCain had been right in proposing the surge, said] "Absolutely not."
Yeah and we are still there and there are bombings almost everyday. We are still losing troops there and the whole thing was a waste of American lives and money. Just like all the rest of the wars from Korea on.
Sly Fox News

New York, NY

#19 Feb 8, 2011
A Way to Oust Saddam
Robert Kagan
Weekly Standard
September 28, 1998
http://tinyurl.com/hgq2p
http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraq-092898...

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We aim to change this. We aim to make the case and rally support for American global leadership.

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Big Al

United States

#20 Feb 10, 2011
They should prosecute both Bush's for both the Iraq fiascos.

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#21 Feb 12, 2011
McNamara is best known for his involvement with Vietnam, his unwavering support of the war while it was in progress and eventually his profound regret at what he had done.

Who would have imagined that a rascal like Rummy would make us look back on a scoundrel like McNamara as a sympathetic figure?

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