Kenneth Gumm Pleads Guilty

Kenneth Gumm Pleads Guilty

There are 70 comments on the News on 6 Tulsa story from Oct 23, 2007, titled Kenneth Gumm Pleads Guilty. In it, News on 6 Tulsa reports that:

The man charged in a deadly road rage shooting last year pleaded guilty in Tulsa County District Court Thursday to first degree manslaughter.

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OKMowman

Tulsa, OK

#1 May 29, 2008
It really sucks to see someone who probably was simply protecting himself have to succumb to what would have no doubt been a long and expensive legal battle and have to admit wrong doing. Hopefully they will go light on him and maybe it will make these hot head drivers think twice about road rage!

Since: Mar 08

Somewhere in OK

#2 May 29, 2008
OKMowman wrote:
It really sucks to see someone who probably was simply protecting himself have to succumb to what would have no doubt been a long and expensive legal battle and have to admit wrong doing. Hopefully they will go light on him and maybe it will make these hot head drivers think twice about road rage!
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! He is pleading guilty. That means that he is saying he did this on purpose. Yes, it might have been somewhat of an accident, but by pleading guilty, he is still saying he did this on purpose. How can you have sympathy for him. If he is pleading to a crime that has a 5 year sentence, then he should serve the 5 year sentence! After all, no one is forcing him to plead guilty.
mike

Broken Arrow, OK

#3 May 29, 2008
What good does conceal carry do if we can't use it to protect ourselves.

Since: Mar 08

Somewhere in OK

#4 May 29, 2008
mike wrote:
What good does conceal carry do if we can't use it to protect ourselves.
You can use it to protect yourself, but if you do, why in the world would you plead guilty to something you honestly did not think you did? That is what has me in this case. If he was ONLY defending himself and does not believe the he commited a crime, why in the world is he PLEADING GUILTY?????????? Makes no sense to me!

Since: Mar 08

Somewhere in OK

#5 May 29, 2008
FYI.... I am a proud conceal and carry permit holder myself and I would NEVER plead guilty to something that I did not do or that I was NOT GUILTY of!
fcol

Oklahoma City, OK

#6 May 29, 2008
Lineupgal wrote:
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You can use it to protect yourself, but if you do, why in the world would you plead guilty to something you honestly did not think you did? That is what has me in this case. If he was ONLY defending himself and does not believe the he commited a crime, why in the world is he PLEADING GUILTY?????????? Makes no sense to me!
If you consider the mans age and what it would cost in dollars and time to fight it, it may well have been a choice he made to spare himself and his family the ordeal and expense.

Since I wasn't there, I don't know if he was truly acting in self-defense or not, but I can understand choosing to plead guilty, even if you are innocent.

Perhaps if he were 20 or 30 years younger, he'd choose differently.
Common sense

Coweta, OK

#7 May 29, 2008
Lineupgal wrote:
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ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! He is pleading guilty. That means that he is saying he did this on purpose. Yes, it might have been somewhat of an accident, but by pleading guilty, he is still saying he did this on purpose. How can you have sympathy for him. If he is pleading to a crime that has a 5 year sentence, then he should serve the 5 year sentence! After all, no one is forcing him to plead guilty.
How do you know what kind of pressure has been put on this man? Him pleading guilty doesn't mean he did anything on purpose. If you knew anything about this case you would be concerned that this man was even charged.He simply defended himself like most of us would have done. He is probably pleading out because he scared of the ignorance of all the gun-hating liberals who would make up his jury! Not to mention the DA who filed.
Kay

United States

#8 May 29, 2008
Lineupgal wrote:
FYI.... I am a proud conceal and carry permit holder myself and I would NEVER plead guilty to something that I did not do or that I was NOT GUILTY of!
Did you ever think this man might feel "guilty" of killing the other man even though it was in self-defense. Even police officers have a difficult time dealing with a job related shootings so how much more so would an individual usually feel. Also, the legal system isn't always straight forward or use common sense. The plea might have been recommended by his attorney to get a more lenient sentence than gambling on fighting it with the self defense claim. We're not in his shoes and don't know how this man feels or what all the details are. I just feel sorry that he had to be put in this situation by some road rage idiot. I get mad in traffic all the time but I don't try to hurt the other drivers. This man had a right to defend himself.
Thirston

Mcalester, OK

#9 May 29, 2008
Takes a coward to shoot an unarmed man,must be a republican.
coolhand luke

Broken Arrow, OK

#10 May 29, 2008
a man his age,the othr man 20 year younger.thats all anyone should have to know.set him free.
Mom

Oklahoma City, OK

#11 May 29, 2008
Lineupgal wrote:
FYI.... I am a proud conceal and carry permit holder myself and I would NEVER plead guilty to something that I did not do or that I was NOT GUILTY of!
I think the prosecutor has over-stepped here. I believe there was too much pressure and this man does not realize how significant this plea is. I believe an innocent man will not have a police record for first-degree manslaughter (premeditated) forever.

I know for a fact that innocent people have pleaded guilty out of pressure from their attorneys because they are just flat too lazy to go to court. It is much easier to plead guilty than to have to actually go to court every day and do your job.

This really upsets me. This is NOT justice!!!
Concealed carry

Lawton, OK

#12 May 29, 2008
If he feared for his life or physical safety he has a right to defend himself. From what has been reported in this case it seems rediculous that he is not protected from prosecution.
skyking

Tulsa, OK

#13 May 29, 2008
This is a huge travesty of justice,but the type you can expect here. Absolutely one fact is clear regardless of how you feel, if the "victim" had not done something he had no right to do, he would not have been shot. This road rage crap is way out of hand.
Concealed carry

Lawton, OK

#14 May 29, 2008
From OK law title 21 chapter 53 stand your ground law
" person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony"
It is fair to say Mr Gumm could fear great bodily harm.
Concealed carry

Lawton, OK

#15 May 29, 2008
From Title 21 chapter 53 section F of OK Statute
"F. A person who uses force, as permitted pursuant to the provisions of subsections B and D of this section, is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force. As used in this subsection, the term "criminal prosecution" includes charging or prosecuting the defendant."
Thirston

Mcalester, OK

#16 May 29, 2008
He pleaded guilty,anybody can be scared,but it dont give you the right to be judge,jury and excutioner,sometimes you got to be man enough to take an ### whumpin.
bildquik

Sand Springs, OK

#17 May 29, 2008
only a fool throws himself to the mercy of the court. his sentence now will have nothing to do with justice but with the mood of the judge. better hope the judge got him some at lunch.
whatever

Guthrie, OK

#18 May 29, 2008
Lineupgal wrote:
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You can use it to protect yourself, but if you do, why in the world would you plead guilty to something you honestly did not think you did? That is what has me in this case. If he was ONLY defending himself and does not believe the he commited a crime, why in the world is he PLEADING GUILTY?????????? Makes no sense to me!
obviously you do not know how the court system is..If you plead not guilty it goes to jury trial and no telling what kind of jurors you get.Even if he does think that he is not guilty I am sure he is being advised by his atty to plead guilty.That would be my guess??? Sometimes you end up with less time if you just plead guily.
Fancy

Edmond, OK

#19 May 29, 2008
I will not vote for this District Attorney.
Richard

Tulsa, OK

#20 May 29, 2008
Thirston wrote:
Takes a coward to shoot an unarmed man,must be a republican.
If confronted by an agressive, legally drunk, tweaked out meth head, thats alot younger than you, he should have shot him. If he didn't have the weapon and it went to fisticuffs, it could have been a couple punches thrown, Gumm goes down and end of fight or Gumm goes down, the meth kicks in, and he gets beat to death.

It's just sad that you have to choose between a plea bargain or a trial.

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