OK Health Care Freedom Amendment, Sta...

OK Health Care Freedom Amendment, State Question 756

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TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#34243 Nov 18, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
So the real enemy in Oklahoma that turns out to be the robber of health and life is not Meth and other illegal drugs and other crime, but fast-food and sedentariness.
So what do you think should be done with the fast food industry and getting people to quit sitting around? I know this program about how much can be served at school is not working out! What difference does a school lunch make when after school the kids go home and pig out and sit watching TV or play video games? I would the biggest factor in over weight is the lack of people getting out and actually doing physical things each day! This goes for all age groups. Not only here in Oklahoma but our whole country is a place of lazy people.

Since: Jul 10

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#34244 Nov 18, 2012
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>So what do you think should be done with the fast food industry and getting people to quit sitting around? I know this program about how much can be served at school is not working out! What difference does a school lunch make when after school the kids go home and pig out and sit watching TV or play video games? I would the biggest factor in over weight is the lack of people getting out and actually doing physical things each day! This goes for all age groups. Not only here in Oklahoma but our whole country is a place of lazy people.
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>>>Not only here in Oklahoma but our whole country is a place of lazy people. <<<

There you go again. Oklahoma gets top honors for being one of worse for unhealthy lifestyle. The severity of the problem in Oklahoma does not extend to the "whole country".

One reason for Oklahoma being the pits in so many categories is the lack of dedication to quality education in the state, and part of that problem is tied into religion influencing academics.

Religion in Oklahoma has a dumbing-down effect on secular education. Religion beliefs are some of most difficult to overcome because they are not based on logic, reason and good sense, but they could be and should be. But that means bucking the status quo. I've done it for years and have gotten some small results but for most part the work is as if not begun.

Changing hearts and minds is slow work when so many will look at the truth and then deny it or accept it, but keep going their same way. Change is uncomfortable but when grasped, glorius realities appear.

The biggest purveyor of deceit and untruth in the state is the church, and those so deceived elect to public office those who look like and act like them or pretend to be, so the elected official can continue the exploitation of the ignorant to the advantage of themselves and the rich. The cycle goes on.

Change comes one person at a time but I don't see Oklahoma improving much.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#34245 Nov 18, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
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>>>Not only here in Oklahoma but our whole country is a place of lazy people. <<<
There you go again. Oklahoma gets top honors for being one of worse for unhealthy lifestyle. The severity of the problem in Oklahoma does not extend to the "whole country".
One reason for Oklahoma being the pits in so many categories is the lack of dedication to quality education in the state, and part of that problem is tied into religion influencing academics.
Religion in Oklahoma has a dumbing-down effect on secular education. Religion beliefs are some of most difficult to overcome because they are not based on logic, reason and good sense, but they could be and should be. But that means bucking the status quo. I've done it for years and have gotten some small results but for most part the work is as if not begun.
Changing hearts and minds is slow work when so many will look at the truth and then deny it or accept it, but keep going their same way. Change is uncomfortable but when grasped, glorius realities appear.
The biggest purveyor of deceit and untruth in the state is the church, and those so deceived elect to public office those who look like and act like them or pretend to be, so the elected official can continue the exploitation of the ignorant to the advantage of themselves and the rich. The cycle goes on.
Change comes one person at a time but I don't see Oklahoma improving much.
So what does Religious groups have to do with the fat and lazy people and the people that eat alot of fast food junk. I donot care with people believe in God and religion or not. People are lazy because the themselves choose to be. They choose to use fast food services because they are to lazy to cook and clean up after. They are to lazy to get out and do any thing physical. But I donot see what any of this has to do with religion.

Since: Jul 10

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#34246 Nov 18, 2012
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>So what does Religious groups have to do with the fat and lazy people and the people that eat alot of fast food junk. I donot care with people believe in God and religion or not. People are lazy because the themselves choose to be. They choose to use fast food services because they are to lazy to cook and clean up after. They are to lazy to get out and do any thing physical. But I donot see what any of this has to do with religion.
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"One reason for Oklahoma being the pits in so many categories is the lack of dedication to quality education in the state, and part of that problem is tied into religion influencing academics."

Tamara, education is the key to a better and healthier life. All education does not come from a bricks and mortar structure with dedicated course of study, but that does not lessen the importance of a structured comprehensive educational process, unfettered by religion.

Since: Jul 10

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#34247 Nov 18, 2012
During the early days of education in the world the wheel was square and any thoughts of a toilet inside the house was thought to be unhealthy, unclean, and therefore ungodly. Oklahoma is slightly beyond that stage of knowledge and learning, but not much.

Since: Apr 10

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#34248 Nov 18, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
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"One reason for Oklahoma being the pits in so many categories is the lack of dedication to quality education in the state, and part of that problem is tied into religion influencing academics."
Tamara, education is the key to a better and healthier life. All education does not come from a bricks and mortar structure with dedicated course of study, but that does not lessen the importance of a structured comprehensive educational process, unfettered by religion.
I'm not sure that WMCOL is saying what I'm about to type but let me put in Dustyeness for you. We don't need any god damn religious studies in school. Can the gay tolerance courses. Stop pretending that a school is a place to send your kids to be raised instead of you raising them yourselves. You want to teach religion to your kid outside of school go for it. You want to hold pro gay rallies on main street on Saturday? Get a permit and go for it. But Schools need to be institutions of teaching our children how to work and make money. To help them decide on a course of life in which they are competent and can support themselves as adults. Anything else is bullshit. Bible Belt states make high school football players minor gods. You pay a football coach 91,000.00 a year to coach frigging high school football while paying a masters credentialed teach of 10 years of highly productive experience less than half that. Idiots.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#34249 Nov 18, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
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"One reason for Oklahoma being the pits in so many categories is the lack of dedication to quality education in the state, and part of that problem is tied into religion influencing academics."
Tamara, education is the key to a better and healthier life. All education does not come from a bricks and mortar structure with dedicated course of study, but that does not lessen the importance of a structured comprehensive educational process, unfettered by religion.
As much as I was envolved with my 3 son's school and any battles I had with school like the special education program that by state law was suppose to be available to all and any student reguardless of what grade they were in, religion never seem to be in the for front. This school offered a new reading program in grade school that was worthless. The reading stats proved this when even the bright students were falling below grade level. That program was a waste of time and money. Of course after all my kids got out of grade school they did away with it. You can believe this or not but I did take alot of interest in what was going on in my son's which they went from K thru 12th there. But I will say there was a very low percent of parents that got envolved in what was going on. Alot of parents seems to think it is all up to the school and it's teachers. But it is not. It is up to the school, teachers and the parents. Untill people understand this no our school systems will not move forward much!

Since: Apr 10

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#34250 Nov 18, 2012
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>S I know this program about how much can be served at school is not working out!
What do you mean it's "not working out". Not working out because fat kids and their fat parents don't like them not getting all the CRAP they want so they're complaining? If the schools are forcing nutrition at a limited amount of calories I don't care who is complaining. I know it will be a vast majority of FAT HOGS doing the complaining. And that sounds like to me it's working out just fine.

Since: Jul 10

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#34251 Nov 18, 2012
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>As much as I was envolved with my 3 son's school and any battles I had with school like the special education program that by state law was suppose to be available to all and any student reguardless of what grade they were in, religion never seem to be in the for front. This school offered a new reading program in grade school that was worthless. The reading stats proved this when even the bright students were falling below grade level. That program was a waste of time and money. Of course after all my kids got out of grade school they did away with it. You can believe this or not but I did take alot of interest in what was going on in my son's which they went from K thru 12th there. But I will say there was a very low percent of parents that got envolved in what was going on. Alot of parents seems to think it is all up to the school and it's teachers. But it is not. It is up to the school, teachers and the parents. Untill people understand this no our school systems will not move forward much!
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Tamara, I worked with my children and their schools from K through 12. That is exactly why I know religion influences academics. I discovered there were better text books for many subjects and better ways of teaching some subjects but was not allowed because of religion opposition to certain books and methods.

There are church watch-dog groups that dog publishers and state education in regard to the text books used in Oklahoma schools. I spotted it because I was aware of what certain subjects should entail and the books and methods were not dealing with it because of the influence of the church on education.

Having been to college I knew the students were being denied things they should get in K through 12 that would help them be ready for college, or trade school, or just life in general. I simply provided the missing links for my kids but it should be done in school so every child is exposed to a proper and complete education.

The rich kids get it because of educated parents and resources available to them and they are prepared for college and prepared to succeed in life and maintain the status quo just as is the design.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#34252 Nov 18, 2012
DustyOutlaw wrote:
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What do you mean it's "not working out". Not working out because fat kids and their fat parents don't like them not getting all the CRAP they want so they're complaining? If the schools are forcing nutrition at a limited amount of calories I don't care who is complaining. I know it will be a vast majority of FAT HOGS doing the complaining. And that sounds like to me it's working out just fine.
Health kids that are not over weight and the kids [boys and girls] that play sports. What good is punishing kids that donot have a weght problem and are more active when the ones over weight go home and pig out and set on their behinds and watch TV or or play those video games. But OH well. Then the parents saying that school lunches was the one meal their kids got that held them over to the next day. It is not just people in Oklahoma saying this but other states also.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#34253 Nov 18, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
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Tamara, I worked with my children and their schools from K through 12. That is exactly why I know religion influences academics. I discovered there were better text books for many subjects and better ways of teaching some subjects but was not allowed because of religion opposition to certain books and methods.
There are church watch-dog groups that dog publishers and state education in regard to the text books used in Oklahoma schools. I spotted it because I was aware of what certain subjects should entail and the books and methods were not dealing with it because of the influence of the church on education.
Having been to college I knew the students were being denied things they should get in K through 12 that would help them be ready for college, or trade school, or just life in general. I simply provided the missing links for my kids but it should be done in school so every child is exposed to a proper and complete education.
The rich kids get it because of educated parents and resources available to them and they are prepared for college and prepared to succeed in life and maintain the status quo just as is the design.
I understand what you are saying. But I just didnot see it in this area. But I have noticed when we travel from this area of Oklahoma and go East I can see the difference in the many churches the further east we go and on into Arkansas and Missouri. And most are Baptist with Asembly of God types mixed in. The school district I am talking about was in the Enid area. But it has seemed no matter whether we have had a Republican governor or Democrat neither one put improving our schools first for improvement. I actually am not sure what the people need to do to make this state get serious about education. But someone needs to get a good game plan going now!
John

United States

#34254 Nov 18, 2012
I agree

Since: Sep 12

Groningen, Netherlands

#34255 Nov 19, 2012
DustyOutlaw wrote:
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I know I often tread on your political philosophy but the left is just as much to fault as the right on this. When 40 years ago being gay was considered much the same as being a pedophile, we have "evolved" to the point that it's not enough that gays can enter into the same civil union as straights, they must now be allowed to use the word marriage. The left and right are the same people. They don't want government in their lives with what they want to do and the do want government in the lives of others doing what the left and right don't want them doing. Same exact people.
Dusty, I usually enjoy discussing politics with you and don't remember ever feeling you were treading on my political philosophy, so not sure what you mean there.
What I posted about was business owners (who themselves having right wing Republican views) refusing to do business with people who voted Democrat in this years election because of their political affiliation. I am flabbergasted that people can be that dumb.
WarForOil

Grapevine, TX

#34256 Nov 19, 2012
DustyOutlaw wrote:
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let me put in Dustyeness for you.

Schools need to be institutions of teaching our children how to work and make money.
Pot calling kettle black again. Learn how
to spell. It should be ' Dustiness ', Dilbert.

Schools need to be institutions of spelling.
You need to attend one.

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#34257 Nov 19, 2012
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>Health kids that are not over weight and the kids [boys and girls] that play sports. What good is punishing kids that donot have a weght problem and are more active when the ones over weight go home and pig out and set on their behinds and watch TV or or play those video games. But OH well. Then the parents saying that school lunches was the one meal their kids got that held them over to the next day. It is not just people in Oklahoma saying this but other states also.
Excuse me. As Iecall Oklahoma is limiting kids to 1,000 or 1,200 calories a day in school? And you say "it's not working out". Are you aware that 1,000 calories a day is sufficient for any living human? That's not "punishing" people. While you worry about the almighty football players, I'll worry about the destruction that the fat asses of this country are wrecking on our country. And I will bet you ONE MILLION DOLLARS that those kids are eating another 500 calories a day outside of school. This MYTH that kids only eat one meal a day in school is PURE BULLSHIT. Even the most poorest of the poor scarf down junk food and candy all day long. I live and done business in the city. Have you? Have you seen thousands of school kids daily passing by with cokes and sweets and burgers in their hands? Ghetto kids. The schools are not the fcking be all and end all of society ok? FEED YOUR OWN DAMN KIDS AND STOP BUYING COKES AND ICE CREAM WITH FOOD STAMPS. AND FCK THE FOOTBALL PLAYERS. YOU HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY A HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL COACH 91,000.00 A YEAR YOU HAVE HAVE THE MONEY TO GIVE THEM EXTRA VITAMINS. WHICH THEY ALREADY DO. Do you EVER know what you are talking about Tamara?

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#34258 Nov 19, 2012
OkieAbroad wrote:
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Dusty, I usually enjoy discussing politics with you and don't remember ever feeling you were treading on my political philosophy, so not sure what you mean there.
What I posted about was business owners (who themselves having right wing Republican views) refusing to do business with people who voted Democrat in this years election because of their political affiliation. I am flabbergasted that people can be that dumb.
Well as a person who owned their own business for many decades I know one thing. All this CRAP about refusing to do business with someone or raising prices because of Obamacare is all immature, ignorant CRAP. Small business owners have to deal with all kinds of things both government and public related. You don't turn down money unless forced to do so. A drunk being disruptive in your business will not get more than two changes. That's being forced to deal with it. But if a right winger comes in my store bitching about Obama I'm going to take his money. If a fem nazi comes in bitching about white men, I'm going to take her money. You see "I win" if I get your money. Because that's why I'm there. To get your money.

Papa John's pizza can yap all they want about raising prices for Obamacare. They will either get away with it because the public will accept it or the public won't. If the public won't then the Pizza chain will simply have to take slightly less profit to maintain their needed sales level. OR they go out of business. I don't think someone who is making 400 million a year in profit is going to go out of business if they "only' make 390 million a year in profit. Some things are just stupid proclamations.

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#34259 Nov 19, 2012
WarForOil wrote:
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Pot calling kettle black again. Learn how
to spell. It should be ' Dustiness ', Dilbert.
Schools need to be institutions of spelling.
You need to attend one.
Actually in the purest form of the word it would be "Dustyisms". But since I made up my word I can spell it any way I like. And you'll still be a hick. Know whut I mean Vern?
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#34260 Nov 19, 2012
DustyOutlaw wrote:
<quoted text>
Excuse me. As Iecall Oklahoma is limiting kids to 1,000 or 1,200 calories a day in school? And you say "it's not working out". Are you aware that 1,000 calories a day is sufficient for any living human? That's not "punishing" people. While you worry about the almighty football players, I'll worry about the destruction that the fat asses of this country are wrecking on our country. And I will bet you ONE MILLION DOLLARS that those kids are eating another 500 calories a day outside of school. This MYTH that kids only eat one meal a day in school is PURE BULLSHIT. Even the most poorest of the poor scarf down junk food and candy all day long. I live and done business in the city. Have you? Have you seen thousands of school kids daily passing by with cokes and sweets and burgers in their hands? Ghetto kids. The schools are not the fcking be all and end all of society ok? FEED YOUR OWN DAMN KIDS AND STOP BUYING COKES AND ICE CREAM WITH FOOD STAMPS. AND FCK THE FOOTBALL PLAYERS. YOU HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY A HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL COACH 91,000.00 A YEAR YOU HAVE HAVE THE MONEY TO GIVE THEM EXTRA VITAMINS. WHICH THEY ALREADY DO. Do you EVER know what you are talking about Tamara?
Yes I do!
I am beginning to wonder if you do.
By the way I, I have always fed my kids and didnot rely on school lunches. But have you ever helped out in the school in the lunch room? Well you might be suprised to what you do see! To clear up my question to YOU, yes I have helped out in the lunch room serving lunch to the kids many many times!

By the way idiot on am not on food stamps and never have been nor is any one of my 3 sons and their family.
Oh by the way I was not the one going on about what a high coach football or any of other sport gets paid. So blow off your steam to some one who actually cares any more to what you have to say!
Now have a great day and I hope a loving and happy Thanksgiving!

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#34261 Nov 19, 2012
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>Yes I do!
I am beginning to wonder if you do.
By the way I, I have always fed my kids and didnot rely on school lunches. But have you ever helped out in the school in the lunch room? Well you might be suprised to what you do see! To clear up my question to YOU, yes I have helped out in the lunch room serving lunch to the kids many many times!
By the way idiot on am not on food stamps and never have been nor is any one of my 3 sons and their family.
Oh by the way I was not the one going on about what a high coach football or any of other sport gets paid. So blow off your steam to some one who actually cares any more to what you have to say!
Now have a great day and I hope a loving and happy Thanksgiving!
It's not rational to claim that kids are being "punished" by "only" getting a thousand calories a day in school lunches. They should not be getting more. This is not about calories. This is about them complaining about having to eat right. Which is also a good thing for the athletes. Good Lord you're so far out of the times you might as well be standing a street corner with a sign saying BRING BACK THE 1950'S!"

Since: Sep 12

Groningen, Netherlands

#34262 Nov 19, 2012
DustyOutlaw wrote:
<quoted text>
Well as a person who owned their own business for many decades I know one thing. All this CRAP about refusing to do business with someone or raising prices because of Obamacare is all immature, ignorant CRAP. Small business owners have to deal with all kinds of things both government and public related. You don't turn down money unless forced to do so. A drunk being disruptive in your business will not get more than two changes. That's being forced to deal with it. But if a right winger comes in my store bitching about Obama I'm going to take his money. If a fem nazi comes in bitching about white men, I'm going to take her money. You see "I win" if I get your money. Because that's why I'm there. To get your money.
Papa John's pizza can yap all they want about raising prices for Obamacare. They will either get away with it because the public will accept it or the public won't. If the public won't then the Pizza chain will simply have to take slightly less profit to maintain their needed sales level. OR they go out of business. I don't think someone who is making 400 million a year in profit is going to go out of business if they "only' make 390 million a year in profit. Some things are just stupid proclamations.
Yes, of course it's ignorance.. here is the link which I've just found time to look up. This story is what brought about my original post.

http://www.examiner.com/article/arizona-gun-d...

I had assumed that a National Healthcare system (if it is anything like the Dutch system, which it is supposed to be) would take away the burden companies have always had in the past of paying health insurance for their workers. I therefore don't understand the claim of added costs in association with Obamacare.


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