Do you feel safe with motorcycle gang...

Do you feel safe with motorcycle gangs in Tulsa?

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Scooter7

Frisco, TX

#1 Nov 18, 2010
It's an on going debate about motorcycle clubs and or gangs. Are they safe? Do they contribute enough to our city to be treated as a normal law abiding citizen? Is the 1% patch worth being looked down upon for life by joining one of the many violent biker gangs in this nation? Does the outcome of being taken care of by your brothers outway losing friends and family when one day you have to prove by illegal and or immoral acts that your tough enough to wear their patch?
Fastrider

Frisco, TX

#2 Nov 18, 2010
Not safe. Old men acting like college kids trying to be men again. And in a group. Should be banned from the city. That or stick them all, rivals too on an island and let them go at clearing the animosity instead of on our streets and local bars. Noise isn't bothersome but their activities are.
Legslong72

Frisco, TX

#3 Nov 18, 2010
The U.S. Department of Justice defines Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs as organizations whose members use their motorcycle clubs as conduits for criminal enterprises.[6] Both the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and Criminal Intelligence Service Canada have designated four MCs as Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs (OMGs), which are the Hells Angels, Pagans, Outlaws MC, and Bandidos,[50][51] known as the "Big Four".[52] These four have a large enough national impact to be prosecuted under the Federal Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) statute.[53] The California Attorney General also lists the Mongols and the Vagos Motorcycle Club as outlaw motorcycle gangs.[54][55] The FBI asserts that OMGs support themselves primarily through drug dealing, trafficking in stolen goods, and extortion, and that they fight over territory and the illegal drug trade.[56] The Royal Canadian Mounted Police Gazette, quoting from the Provincial Court of Manitoba, defines these groups as: "Any group of motorcycle enthusiasts who have voluntarily made a commitment to band together and abide by their organizations' rigorous rules enforced by violence, who engage in activities that bring them and their club into serious conflict with society and the law".[57]

The FBI asserts that OMGs collect $1 billion in illegal income annually[58][59] and that street gangs, prison gangs, and OMGs are the primary retail distributors of illegal drugs in the US,[60][61] with OMGs dominating US methamphetamine trade distribution.[62][63] In 1985[64] a three-year, eleven-state FBI operation named Roughrider culminated in the largest OMG bust in history, with the confiscation of $2 million worth of illegal drugs, as well as an illegal arsenal of weapons, ranging from Uzi submachine guns to antitank weapons.[65] In October, 2008, the FBI announced the end of a 6-month undercover operation by agents into the narcotics trafficking by the Mongols Motorcycle Gang. The bust went down with 160 search warrants and 110 arrest warrants[66]

Canada, especially, has in the past two decades experienced a significant upsurge in crime involving outlaw motorcycle gangs, most notably in what has been dubbed the Quebec Biker war, which has involved more than 150 murders[67](plus a young bystander killed by an exploding car bomb), 84 bombings, and 130 cases of arson.[57] The increased violence in Canada has been attributed to turf wars over the illegal drug trafficking business, specifically relating to access to the Port of Montreal[68], but also as the Hells Angels have sought to obtain control of the street level trade from other rival and/or independent gangs in various regions of Canada.[69]

Members and supporters of these clubs insist that illegal activities are isolated occurrences and that they, as a whole, are not criminal organizations. They often compare themselves to police departments, wherein the occasional "bad cop" does not make a police department a criminal organization and the Hells Angels sponsors charitable events for Toys for Tots in an attempt to legitimize themselves with public opinion.[70]

Contrary to other criminal organizations, OMGs operate on an individual basis instead of top-down, which is how supporters can claim that only some members are committing crimes. Belonging guarantees to each member the option of running criminal activity, using other members as support - the main characteristic of OMGs being "amoral individualism" in contrast to the hierarchical orders and bonds of "amoral familism" of other criminal organizations such as the Mafia.[71]

Mongols and Bandidos I've seen around town. You can hear their bikes and their women carry a distinct smell.
Creepyguy

Frisco, TX

#4 Nov 18, 2010
They stick to blues city and seen a few other bars. I wouldn't worry about them. If a bar has bartenders that are reputed for leisurely activities they commute there plus cheap beer. If there is some class in a joint there won't be any easy ass for the boys. Be sure ti stick to your business and stay away from their scoots and old ladies.
Churnkeyb45

Frisco, TX

#5 Nov 19, 2010
Just boy scouts that got picked on as boys or they didn't have a father to kick their ass growing up. Get em out of our city. Pure trouble. Wait and see.
Beblessed

Frisco, TX

#6 Nov 19, 2010
A friend of mine, her husband joined the mongols. He wasted away and she moved on quickly. He was a good guy too. What a shame.
Bigboydan

Frisco, TX

#7 Nov 19, 2010
Don't worry about bikers. To cold in this state. They're nothing here compared to other states like Cali. But they do seem to have better lawyers compared to other thugs. Just saying
Creepyguy

Frisco, TX

#8 Nov 19, 2010
Beblessed wrote:
A friend of mine, her husband joined the mongols. He wasted away and she moved on quickly. He was a good guy too. What a shame.
Surprised she didn't stay. Most ladies like leather on bikes. He must of picked off the wrong cherry tree.
Beblessed

Frisco, TX

#9 Nov 19, 2010
Creepyguy wrote:
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Surprised she didn't stay. Most ladies like leather on bikes. He must of picked off the wrong cherry tree.
If you saw her you'd know she's far from the likes of what those kind like. Her family and friends are proud that she finally got rid of him. He lost a good woman and family because of his ways. I don't think I've seen her happier. I'm actually glad he joined that gang. She never would of saw what we all did from the very beginning.
Creepyguy

Frisco, TX

#10 Nov 19, 2010
Beblessed wrote:
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If you saw her you'd know she's far from the likes of what those kind like. Her family and friends are proud that she finally got rid of him. He lost a good woman and family because of his ways. I don't think I've seen her happier. I'm actually glad he joined that gang. She never would of saw what we all did from the very beginning.
Sounds like she had a bigger pair. Nothing like a biker chick after a few to many years running with those guys. Didn't want to be property of? If you didn't get that she would.
Legslong72

Frisco, TX

#11 Nov 19, 2010
Fastrider wrote:
Not safe. Old men acting like college kids trying to be men again. And in a group. Should be banned from the city. That or stick them all, rivals too on an island and let them go at clearing the animosity instead of on our streets and local bars. Noise isn't bothersome but their activities are.
Some aren't old at all. New times. Like them young. Easier to manipulate. And they bring younger fresh women to group.
MeHere

Dallas, TX

#12 Nov 21, 2010
Biker gangs and street gangs should have it out. Great reality show
Johndoe

Frisco, TX

#13 Dec 5, 2010
No
Hanz Lander

United States

#14 Dec 6, 2010
Never hear of issues with bikers in tulsa, Its the north tulsans you have to worry about.
harleyquinharley

Mannford, OK

#15 Dec 29, 2010
Pity everyone is so judgmental these days. Also under or uneducated in their opinions. And Legslong is correct in what is documented as an OMG by statutes. Being a supporter of some of the local clubs for years I have to disagree with what most people "associate" with these people. No, they are not previous boy scouts and most of what people seem to think of them is mostly untrue. Media and fear of the unknown is the biggest fuel to the fire for the derogatory ideas the general public have for most of these people. I know many that are highly educated, degrees,including doctorates and all. Some of my best friends that are "affiliated" made more money LEGALLY in the last few years than the average person. Yes, they have jobs, they have legal businesses. But they have something that the general public has lost since the earlier part of this century. A sense of family, pride and brotherhood like no other. They believe in TRUE freedom, and they take care of their own. They believe in what this country was founded upon respect, honor, family, what is right. And not unlike the early patriots, they are not afraid to stand up and fight for what is right like so few will do today.
I have many "unaffiliated" friends as well, they have their own niche, groups, etc. They are all my family"s extended family. Welcomed always. You would not recognize nor judge them as you do if you knew them.
Oh and by the way, being one of those "women" you might have been so graced to smell, the scent is Elizabeth Taylor's-White Diamonds or Christian Dior's Dune. Oh yes, not that it matters, I hold several degrees, certifications and licenses as well, all in professional fields. Makes you wonder who you deal with out there eh?
You should be more worried about the presence of your LEO out there, they are the largest organized crime there is in this state. They have only scratched the tip of the iceberg in Oklahoma for the corruption there is thus far.

Since: Apr 10

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#16 Dec 29, 2010
It's obvious that Tulsa has a large number of people riding bikes. Just look at the number of bike shops on Peoria between 31st and 51st. Still I've not see any trouble with them. There is a biker bar or two in Brookside, lots of bikes outside every weekend but I live near there and I don't know of trouble. You get used to the noise after a while.

Since: Apr 10

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#17 Dec 29, 2010
One other thing. While I don't ride, I'd much rather hear the sound of a Harley than vulgar rap music being played at 100 decibels.
tessie

Tucson, AZ

#18 Dec 29, 2010
They don't appear to be the ones doing the driveby's; so I'm fine with them. They are the ones doing a lot of charity for kids.

Since: Jan 09

United States

#19 Dec 29, 2010
I have to agree with the last two post. Most bikers I have found will show you respect as long as you show them respect.

AT
Larry

United States

#20 Dec 29, 2010
harleyquinharley wrote:
Pity everyone is so judgmental these days. Also under or uneducated in their opinions. And Legslong is correct in what is documented as an OMG by statutes. Being a supporter of some of the local clubs for years I have to disagree with what most people "associate" with these people. No, they are not previous boy scouts and most of what people seem to think of them is mostly untrue. Media and fear of the unknown is the biggest fuel to the fire for the derogatory ideas the general public have for most of these people. I know many that are highly educated, degrees,including doctorates and all. Some of my best friends that are "affiliated" made more money LEGALLY in the last few years than the average person. Yes, they have jobs, they have legal businesses. But they have something that the general public has lost since the earlier part of this century. A sense of family, pride and brotherhood like no other. They believe in TRUE freedom, and they take care of their own. They believe in what this country was founded upon respect, honor, family, what is right. And not unlike the early patriots, they are not afraid to stand up and fight for what is right like so few will do today.
I have many "unaffiliated" friends as well, they have their own niche, groups, etc. They are all my family"s extended family. Welcomed always. You would not recognize nor judge them as you do if you knew them.
Oh and by the way, being one of those "women" you might have been so graced to smell, the scent is Elizabeth Taylor's-White Diamonds or Christian Dior's Dune. Oh yes, not that it matters, I hold several degrees, certifications and licenses as well, all in professional fields. Makes you wonder who you deal with out there eh?
You should be more worried about the presence of your LEO out there, they are the largest organized crime there is in this state. They have only scratched the tip of the iceberg in Oklahoma for the corruption there is thus far.
I don't think you weekend warrior type professionals who buy new bikes and gear up from the Screaming Eagle catalog are what this article is talking about. I think they are talking about true blue, dyed in the wool, day in and day out bikers. Rain, shine or snow with criminal enterprise to support the group is what this article is talking about. And here you thought they were talking about you office working, soft hand, weekend warriors. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha....you wish! Yea, we all know your type, and while you clowns like to "portray the image" and play black leather dress up, we know better.

Eitherway, bikers don't really bother me much. Generally, if you leave them alone and don't cause friction, you'll probably be alright. Best to just stay clear of the hard-core bikers though. Get one or two of them with a few too many drinks in him, I can't guarantee you're safety if you know what I mean.

Many Americans carry, and it's not jusr for outlaw bikers, it's any and all gangs or criminals. This is where high capacity magazines come in handy.

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