State Senate Votes For 10 Commandment...

State Senate Votes For 10 Commandments Monument

There are 428 comments on the News on 6 Tulsa story from Apr 21, 2009, titled State Senate Votes For 10 Commandments Monument. In it, News on 6 Tulsa reports that:

The Oklahoma Senate has voted overwhelmingly for a bill to allow a Ten Commandments monument to be placed on the Capitol grounds.

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Very Sad

Okemah, OK

#142 Apr 22, 2009
Educate 2 Understand wrote:
<quoted text> How can anyone agree with you once you've admitted you don't even attend church on a regular basis? So therfor, how can you even pretend to know what most religions do? You can't even find time in life to attend your own church regularly so what makes anyone think you know anything about other religions, other than what you hear in rumors and falsities? You have no credibility.
Think what you want. I do not attend church on a regular basis, but that has not always been the case. I went every Sunday for several, several years. You do realize it's possible to learn about different religions without going to church, right? I'll say this one more time.... My opinions are based purely on MY experiences, and my research. Yours are different. That does not make you right. It makes you different than me. I'll leave it at that. I'm not going to go back and forth with someone with a closed mind and arrogant attitude. Have a good day!

“Pepé & Titan”

Since: Jul 08

Tulsa-Jenks

#143 Apr 22, 2009
Reasonable Legal Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
1) Wikipedia is NOT reliable,
2) Your Jealous,
3) If you read the ENTIRE opinion (as I CITED, not sited)you'll see what I said is true.
EDUCATE YOURSELF ... WIKIPEDIA is about as reliable as Bill Clinton is/was faithful! LOL LOL
You CAN read, I assume?
So you have no logical or reasonable response. Just as I figured. There is a name for your condition...blowhard.

“Pepé & Titan”

Since: Jul 08

Tulsa-Jenks

#144 Apr 22, 2009
American Veteran wrote:
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Do you REALLY base your belief(s) on this issue from a Supreme Court opinion (Everson v Board of Education) written by an affirmed K.K.KLANSMAN (Hugo Black)???? SILLY!!
Seems to me "RLM" made sense. Your argument falls flat.
Once again you as well as "rlm" have skirted the issue. You can try to divert attention to cases that do not pertain to the issue at hand, however this strategy does not work. Show me pertinent cases that have relevance to the issue at hand.

“Pepé & Titan”

Since: Jul 08

Tulsa-Jenks

#145 Apr 22, 2009
John Actually in Tulsa wrote:
Why dont we just let the religious fanatics put up whatever they want and then maybe they will shut up. Oh, Im sorry, I wasnt thinking those kind of people never shut up, they just find a bigger rock to stand on.
John, your right. They will try to twist the issue any way possible to gain the unlawful result they desire. These are the same people that will go to church, preach the "gospel", then turn around and do the opposite. I may not agree with their vision, but true religious people act accordingly to their beliefs. Those persons I have no problem with. The people that scream the loudest, are the other side (with nothing to back them up except their egos).

“Pepé & Titan”

Since: Jul 08

Tulsa-Jenks

#146 Apr 22, 2009
Very Sad wrote:
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Ok. I grew up going to church almost every Sunday, so don't accuse me of making judgements based on only going on Holidays. I just meant that as an adult, I only go 5-6 time a year (besides holidays), and it seems like it's the same few sermons over and over. Anyway, the real point is this..... EVERY religions is guilty of picking and choosing what they want out of the bible, and just completely ignoring the rest.
I understand what you are saying. I understand also that you clearly find yourself to be a religious person. However as you pointed out, religion picks and chooses what to preach. As well, the followers do what followers do, they repeat whatever the sermon was about. Most of the time they constantly dole into their heads about those who do not come to worship on a regular basis.

I did go to a church once though that really surprised me when the pastor said, "You do not have to attend church to worship. Mass worship is a personal choice". Talk about a shocker that he made it clear to those present what his true belief was!
Reasonable Legal Mind

Broken Arrow, OK

#147 Apr 22, 2009
Curious Tulsa wrote:
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Once again you as well as "rlm" have skirted the issue. You can try to divert attention to cases that do not pertain to the issue at hand, however this strategy does not work. Show me pertinent cases that have relevance to the issue at hand.
1) The earlier case I cited
2) Everson v. Board of Education
3) http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/03-1500...

Now, you do your homework. I will do it for you no more.

Read it & WEEEP!
Reasonable Legal Mind

Broken Arrow, OK

#148 Apr 22, 2009
Curious Tulsa wrote:
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So you have no logical or reasonable response. Just as I figured. There is a name for your condition...blowhard.
Educate yourself "blowhard". CLUE: Rachel Maddow (MSNBC's feminus caninus) lies!

I've put forth rational & sensible arguments/discussions. All you & yours have been doing is taking up space & wasting oxygen.
Reasonable Legal Mind

Broken Arrow, OK

#149 Apr 22, 2009
Curious Tulsa wrote:
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Once again you as well as "rlm" have skirted the issue. You can try to divert attention to cases that do not pertain to the issue at hand, however this strategy does not work. Show me pertinent cases that have relevance to the issue at hand.
Note to those who seem to refuse to learn:

FYI: On the notion of "separation of church & state" that PARTICULAR phrase is from a personal letter from T. Jefferson to the Danbury CN Baptists Association was NOT made "law" (BTW:Judges aren't supposed to "make law", just interpret & apply it!- doubt me? read Marbury v. Madison!!))until the 1947 Everson v. Board of Education case. The majority opinion was written by an avowed KKKlansman Hugo Black.

LOOK IT UP Dullard's

Or don't you WANT to know? that what it seems like with your idiotic responses.

School is OUT; go home & play. Enjoy the sun on Earth Day!
Karl Schneider

Henderson, NV

#150 Apr 22, 2009
david_h wrote:
What happened to separation of church and state? I supposed Taxpayers will foot the billl???
What part of "make no graven images" is too complex for the hypocritical bible-beating morons?
Karl Schneider

Henderson, NV

#151 Apr 22, 2009
Muskogee Reader wrote:
What ever House-Senate committee member that doesn't vote yes, "NEEDS TO FIND ANOTHER JOB" fast.
If you knew 6 more things, you would be an idiot.
krs@valornet.com
him

Tulsa, OK

#153 Apr 22, 2009
Reasonable Legal Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
Note to those who seem to refuse to learn:
FYI: On the notion of "separation of church & state" that PARTICULAR phrase is from a personal letter from T. Jefferson to the Danbury CN Baptists Association was NOT made "law" (BTW:Judges aren't supposed to "make law", just interpret & apply it!- doubt me? read Marbury v. Madison!!))until the 1947 Everson v. Board of Education case. The majority opinion was written by an avowed KKKlansman Hugo Black.
LOOK IT UP Dullard's
Or don't you WANT to know? that what it seems like with your idiotic responses.
School is OUT; go home & play. Enjoy the sun on Earth Day!
Sad thing is there is plenty of legislation from the bench.
Gertrude

Talala, OK

#154 Apr 22, 2009
Karl Schneider wrote:
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It absolutely is a graven image. Are you actually that fekkint abysmally stupid???
jeezusfukinchrist
I'm sorry, Karl. You may want to be very careful with your language. That was extremely terrible. I hope someday, before you die, you ask for forgiveness for that comment. It will come to light for you. JMO, of course. I would definitely be afraid to say such a thing. JMO.
Gertrude

Talala, OK

#155 Apr 22, 2009
The 10 Commandents are the law of the land. Common Sense. Has that disappeared in our society today? Where did it go?

All of the laws for today are based on the 10 Commandents. The laws can be amended, but they still remain the same. It all has to do with commone sense. All the arguing that is going on here is meaningless. The law is the law and all arguments are insignificant.

I will not argue or be confronted in this matter. Your opinions are as important as mine. Please, just keep common sense in the picture. Our way of life depends on it. JMO!!
get real

Tulsa, OK

#156 Apr 22, 2009
kslink wrote:
It's funny how people get upset about the ten commandments. Folks, God doesn't need a momument, that is what the mountains, and beautiful sunsets represent. Just know this, as you spew your hate over anything acknowleging that God exist, He knows you exist, and even though you deny him or deny the reverence He deserves, He has a purpose for you and the plans he has set in motion for you are good and not evil. Think about this, when certain groups that you probably support, ask to stop the hate, try heeding that advice. I am not even going to get into goverment monies that are way more wasteful than a momument expressing appreciation for our founding fathers who modeled our laws and constitution from this historical document. I love you folks even if you eventually have the precious stone removed.
As a history major i have some advice for you. Get to know our forefathers a little better. Some were deists, some did not even go to church. Most of the religious stuff(in god we trust...etc) was added in the late 19th and early twentieth century.
get real

Tulsa, OK

#157 Apr 22, 2009
With so many of these commandments being broken all the time I am surprised that anyone would want a reminder.For example:

THOU SHALL NOT KILL-there are no "except for ______ instances. So all of us that wanted revenge on al qaeda after 9/11 are guilty. All of you that supported the war in Iraq are guilty. All of you that are for capital punishment are guilty...I could go on forever.

REMEMBER THE SABBATH AND KEEP IT HOLY-How many of us really do this? Some of us have to work for our jobs on Sunday(Saturday for me...but that is a different argument),we are guilty. Those of you that mow your yard...guilty. I could go on forever.

HONOR THY FATHER AND MOTHER-not even going to get into this one( kinda takes away from all that "based on law thing" that some of you were talking about though. imagine being arrested every time you disrespected your parents. Heck some parents don't deserve respect. I think we can all agree on that.)

THOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY- In this day and age i think this one should just be removed. Catholic priests, baptist preachers, etc. Seems like everyone is committing adultery this day( including some of these politicians that voted for this thing, i bet)

THOU SHALL NOT COVET- Americans break this one everyday. Capitalism equals coveting. Our children covet the newest christmas toys. Men covet the newest cars. Women covet the looks and body sizes other women.We all covet better jobs for ourselves.Better schools for our children.

My friends are asking me about what I can and can't do on Sabbath. We look at Sabbath a little different than christians. When I tell my christian friends about it they say that jesus came and redid all the old rules so they don't have to follow them(circumcision, sabbath, eating pork, etc).Why do you christians hold on to these ten but no others? I respect your religious views( I hope you respect mine)but putting these ten up seems a little wrong and hypocritical.
Reasonable Legal Mind

Broken Arrow, OK

#158 Apr 23, 2009
Karl Schneider wrote:
<quoted text>
What part of "make no graven images" is too complex for the hypocritical bible-beating morons?
Define "graven images" ... can't do it can you (it's obvious)?!?

A graven image is an inanimate object that people worship. People DON'T worship the ten commandments (when's the last time anyone saw someone bow to them??) e.g. the Kabala(sp?) in Mecca, papist "visions/images" of Mary the mother of Jesus, statues of Buddha, and it also can be living objects in some cultures (animals/"ancestors" in Hinduism), etc.

The ten commandments, whichever "version" you are inclined to follow, are a firm basis for society as a whole & ALL law, common or codified, is based upon them. Name 1 that isn't.

Smile! Get out & enjoy the sun today people (but don't worship it!(LOL)
Reasonable Legal Mind

Broken Arrow, OK

#159 Apr 23, 2009
get real wrote:
With so many of these commandments being broken all the time I am surprised that anyone would want a reminder.For example:
THOU SHALL NOT KILL-there are no "except for ______ instances. So all of us that wanted revenge on al qaeda after 9/11 are guilty. All of you that supported the war in Iraq are guilty. All of you that are for capital punishment are guilty...I could go on forever.
REMEMBER THE SABBATH AND KEEP IT HOLY-How many of us really do this? Some of us have to work for our jobs on Sunday(Saturday for me...but that is a different argument),we are guilty. Those of you that mow your yard...guilty. I could go on forever.
HONOR THY FATHER AND MOTHER-not even going to get into this one( kinda takes away from all that "based on law thing" that some of you were talking about though. imagine being arrested every time you disrespected your parents. Heck some parents don't deserve respect. I think we can all agree on that.)
THOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY- In this day and age i think this one should just be removed. Catholic priests, baptist preachers, etc. Seems like everyone is committing adultery this day( including some of these politicians that voted for this thing, i bet)
THOU SHALL NOT COVET- Americans break this one everyday. Capitalism equals coveting. Our children covet the newest christmas toys. Men covet the newest cars. Women covet the looks and body sizes other women.We all covet better jobs for ourselves.Better schools for our children.
My friends are asking me about what I can and can't do on Sabbath. We look at Sabbath a little different than christians. When I tell my christian friends about it they say that jesus came and redid all the old rules so they don't have to follow them(circumcision, sabbath, eating pork, etc).Why do you christians hold on to these ten but no others? I respect your religious views( I hope you respect mine)but putting these ten up seems a little wrong and hypocritical.
You wrote"Why do you Christians(sp. corrected) hold on to these ten but no others?"

No one is perfect. We "hold onto" all of the Old Testament (except blood scarifies {when was the last time a Jewish synagogue sacrifice a lamb??}, and a few others that Jesus' life & temporary death on the cross nullified) because Jesus, in the Gospels, affirmed them!

Have a nice day!
Reasonable Legal Mind

Broken Arrow, OK

#160 Apr 23, 2009
get real wrote:
<quoted text>
As a history major i have some advice for you. Get to know our forefathers a little better. Some were deists, some did not even go to church. Most of the religious stuff(in god we trust...etc) was added in the late 19th and early twentieth century.
My friend, I AM a degreed historian. This nation was founded & established by a vast plurality of people of the Christian faith. Period.

People like you always refer to the 2 or 3 people whom YOU say weren't; T.Jefferson (attended Church services in the House of Representatives building each Sunday while President - look it up!), Thomas Paine (nowadays we would call him an socialist & possibly an agnostic) & possibly Ben Franklin (although he called for prayer to "The God'{as he put it} when Congress couldn't reach an agreement or were going through difficult times - look THAT up!
Very Sad

Okemah, OK

#161 Apr 23, 2009
Curious Tulsa wrote:
<quoted text>
I understand what you are saying. I understand also that you clearly find yourself to be a religious person. However as you pointed out, religion picks and chooses what to preach. As well, the followers do what followers do, they repeat whatever the sermon was about. Most of the time they constantly dole into their heads about those who do not come to worship on a regular basis.
I did go to a church once though that really surprised me when the pastor said, "You do not have to attend church to worship. Mass worship is a personal choice". Talk about a shocker that he made it clear to those present what his true belief was!
Wow! A pastor saying that would have surprised me too. It sounds like he truly believed that too. Good for him!
Scott Free

Kingston, OK

#162 Apr 23, 2009
Muskogee Reader wrote:
Our Country was founded on God. Enough said. The rest of you can skip taking the day off on Christmas, Good Friday, ect...
Well actually this country was founded by native Americans then stolen by a bunch of prisoners from england!

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