Why is faith falling in the US?

Aug 21, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Newsday

A new poll suggests that atheism is on the rise in the US, while those who consider themselves religious has dropped ...

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Middlewife,

I don't consider it a job. It's an honor to spread the word. Is it not? Really, you require going to a designated building to worship and have some one read to you from a book? In this day and age, most know how to read. Save yourself some time and money. Buy a bible and read it.

Oh, forgot you need real people to touch and feel. Interesting religion.

Churches are dying. People have access to information that they did not before.

How sad for you ...

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Middlewife,
I don't consider it a job. It's an honor to spread the word. Is it not? Really, you require going to a designated building to worship and have some one read to you from a book? In this day and age, most know how to read. Save yourself some time and money. Buy a bible and read it.
Oh, forgot you need real people to touch and feel. Interesting religion.
Churches are dying. People have access to information that they did not before.
How sad for you ...
Dear igdaf,

Jesus said there would come a day when every person would be a priest.

Man, woman, heterosexual, homosexual, etc. What did he mean?

It is taught that the human soul and self, the individual being, is protected, both inwardly and outwardly, and that others are protected from the self and soul of another, by a nearly impenetrable zone of living vibration. It has been called the "veil" or the "gate."

In esoteric teachings, the saying that you must "stive to enter through the narrow gate" is a reference to an inward entrance to your own source of being, along a conscious path that leads to a full encounter with the infinity of Love and Intelligence, even into the "nothingness" that is beyond the Beyond.

In the allegory of Adam and Eve, the humans once had the fullness of life and communion with God open within. But, in the progression of maturation and individuation of the self and soul, as the individual being develops, the entranceway becomes closed and the individual loses the Original communion. This is the true "Fall" of Man.

Jesus taught the "Rebirth" into the Spirit. In one of the Gospels, a reference is made to the "veil" in the Temple which was "rent" in two. That is, torn apart. This is an esoteric reference to the tearing of the "veil" between the Inner Self and Soul and the outer conscious mind and physical being. In other words, Jesus shows the direct Way, the esoteric Path, to reunite the conscious mind and Ego-Being with the Inner Self and Soul.

He reestablishes the Communion that was lost through Adam and Eve.

As a result of the Ministry and the establishment of the Way of Christ, each one of us is now able to progress along the same path, the Path to Enlightenment.

In the Old Way, only the priest or the High Priest was able to pass behind the "Veil" in order to make the necessary "atonement" (At One Ment). Also, to establish oneself upon the Way, one studied and disciplined oneself for an entire lifetime in a "school" or in an individual effort as a disciple under a Teacher or Master. Jesus removed the Barrier.

However, just because we are now able to do this or just because the "Way is open to enter" does not mean that everybody is busy nonchalantly going in and out.

Furthermore, just because a person is an ordained minister or priest does not entitle them to go in and out, either. You must learn to do this with practice and personal development. At some point, as you reach inwardly, seeking, knocking, the Door will be opened unto you and you will be invited to enter. But, if the priest does not know or see or have this "veil" removed or opened, he or she cannot help another to make the "Crossing of the River Styx." Remember in the Indiana Jones movie..."The penitent man..."

Otherwise, it is the blind, leading the blind. The true source of sadness.

The designated building that you refer to above is simply an outer physical representation of the inner reality of the Temple that YOU actually are. Inside of YOUR OWN Temple is the Altar and the Communion Rail, the hallowed ground of the Holy of Holies; the Ark of the Covenant, behind the Veil in the Tabernacle of The Lord.

Strive to enter by the Narrow Way. Become the High Priest that Jesus showed that you could and would become. Seek. Knock!

And, YES! It is an honor to be called upon to spread the Word.

Rev. Ken
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idgaf wrote:
Middlewife,
I don't consider it a job. It's an honor to spread the word. Is it not? Really, you require going to a designated building to worship and have some one read to you from a book? In this day and age, most know how to read. Save yourself some time and money. Buy a bible and read it.
Oh, forgot you need real people to touch and feel. Interesting religion.
Churches are dying. People have access to information that they did not before.
How sad for you ...
Pardonnez moi! In the post above,

'Strive' not stive.

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idgaf wrote:
Middlewife,
I don't consider it a job. It's an honor to spread the word. Is it not? Really, you require going to a designated building to worship and have some one read to you from a book? In this day and age, most know how to read. Save yourself some time and money. Buy a bible and read it.
Oh, forgot you need real people to touch and feel. Interesting religion.
Churches are dying. People have access to information that they did not before.
How sad for you ...
Hardy sad at all. I'm living life with real live people. I also enjoy community on TOPIX with a number of friends I have made but it is not the same as real time, real life.

We used to worship in a fire station (it's not the building, idiot, that's special) while having our building remodeled to include a space for our Presbyterian family.

I'd be interested in why you have such a strange outlook, My priest does much more than read. She is available 24/7 as one never knows when an emergency pops up and the individual concerned determines if it is an emergency.

She does much of the work that goes on in our church family as we come there much more often than Sunday mornings.

Now, as far as the Bible and you thinking the only time I hear it is on Sundays.

LMAO!

Poor fellow, I spend much of my time working in Tel Aviv going through scraps and pieces of ancient writing finding the truth in the Bible and NOT those that have been added in over the years for power and controlling the masses, keeping them in fear- aka romans.

I'm not so much interested in religion as I am spirituality, the stuff Jesus taught, a relationship with my Father and all God's children.

Your projections are fascinating as a psychological profile.

I would smell your insanity a mile away, should I ever meet you in person.

LOL....

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Dear igdaf,
Jesus said there would come a day when every person would be a priest.
Man, woman, heterosexual, homosexual, etc. What did he mean?
It is taught that the human soul and self, the individual being, is protected, both inwardly and outwardly, and that others are protected from the self and soul of another, by a nearly impenetrable zone of living vibration. It has been called the "veil" or the "gate."
In esoteric teachings, the saying that you must "stive to enter through the narrow gate" is a reference to an inward entrance to your own source of being, along a conscious path that leads to a full encounter with the infinity of Love and Intelligence, even into the "nothingness" that is beyond the Beyond.
In the allegory of Adam and Eve, the humans once had the fullness of life and communion with God open within. But, in the progression of maturation and individuation of the self and soul, as the individual being develops, the entranceway becomes closed and the individual loses the Original communion. This is the true "Fall" of Man.
Jesus taught the "Rebirth" into the Spirit. In one of the Gospels, a reference is made to the "veil" in the Temple which was "rent" in two. That is, torn apart. This is an esoteric reference to the tearing of the "veil" between the Inner Self and Soul and the outer conscious mind and physical being. In other words, Jesus shows the direct Way, the esoteric Path, to reunite the conscious mind and Ego-Being with the Inner Self and Soul.
He reestablishes the Communion that was lost through Adam and Eve.
As a result of the Ministry and the establishment of the Way of Christ, each one of us is now able to progress along the same path, the Path to Enlightenment.
In the Old Way, only the priest or the High Priest was able to pass behind the "Veil" in order to make the necessary "atonement" (At One Ment). Also, to establish oneself upon the Way, one studied and disciplined oneself for an entire lifetime in a "school" or in an individual effort as a disciple under a Teacher or Master. Jesus removed the Barrier.
However, just because we are now able to do this or just because the "Way is open to enter" does not mean that everybody is busy nonchalantly going in and out.
Furthermore, just because a person is an ordained minister or priest does not entitle them to go in and out, either. You must learn to do this with practice and personal development. At some point, as you reach inwardly, seeking, knocking, the Door will be opened unto you and you will be invited to enter. But, if the priest does not know or see or have this "veil" removed or opened, he or she cannot help another to make the "Crossing of the River Styx." Remember in the Indiana Jones movie..."The penitent man..."
Otherwise, it is the blind, leading the blind. The true source of sadness.
The designated building that you refer to above is simply an outer physical representation of the inner reality of the Temple that YOU actually are. Inside of YOUR OWN Temple is the Altar and the Communion Rail, the hallowed ground of the Holy of Holies; the Ark of the Covenant, behind the Veil in the Tabernacle of The Lord.
Strive to enter by the Narrow Way. Become the High Priest that Jesus showed that you could and would become. Seek. Knock!
And, YES! It is an honor to be called upon to spread the Word.
Rev. Ken
A priest and disciple of Jesus Christ.
Beautiful my brother and AMEN!

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idgaf wrote:
Middlewife,
I don't consider it a job. It's an honor to spread the word. Is it not? Really, you require going to a designated building to worship and have some one read to you from a book? In this day and age, most know how to read. Save yourself some time and money. Buy a bible and read it.
Oh, forgot you need real people to touch and feel. Interesting religion.
Churches are dying. People have access to information that they did not before.
How sad for you ...
Dear igdaf,

Jesus said there would come a day when every person would be a priest.

Man, woman, heterosexual, homosexual, etc. What did he mean?

It is taught that the human soul and self, the individual being, is protected, both inwardly and outwardly, and that others are protected from the self and soul of another, by a nearly impenetrable zone of living vibration. It has been called the "veil" or the "gate."

In esoteric teachings, the saying that you must "strive to enter through the narrow gate" is a reference to an inward entrance to your own source of being, along a conscious path that leads to a full encounter with the infinity of Love and Intelligence, even into the "nothingness" that is beyond the Beyond.

In the allegory of Adam and Eve, the humans once had the fullness of life and communion with God open within. But, in the progression of maturation and individuation of the self and soul, as the individual being develops, the entranceway becomes closed and the individual loses the Original communion. This is the true "Fall" of Man.

Jesus taught the "Rebirth" into the Spirit. In one of the Gospels, a reference is made to the "veil" in the Temple which was "rent" in two. That is, torn apart. This is an esoteric reference to the tearing of the "veil" between the Inner Self and Soul and the outer conscious mind and physical being. In other words, Jesus shows the direct Way, the esoteric Path, to reunite the conscious mind and Being with the Inner Self and Soul.

He reestablishes the Communion that was lost through Adam and Eve.

As a result, each one of us is now able to progress along the same path, the Path to Enlightenment.

In the Old Way, only the priest or the High Priest was able to pass behind the "Veil" in order to make the necessary "atonement" (At One Ment).

However, just because we are now able to do this or just because the "Way is open to enter" does not mean that everybody is busy nonchalantly going in and out.

Furthermore, just because a person is an ordained minister or priest does not entitle them to go in and out, either. You must learn to do this with practice and personal development. At some point, as you reach inwardly, seeking, knocking, the Door will be opened unto you and you will be invited to enter. But, if the priest does not know or see or have this "veil" removed or opened, he or she cannot help another to make the "Crossing of the River Styx." Recall the Indiana Jones movie .."The penitent man..."

Otherwise, it is the blind, leading the blind. The true source of sadness.

The designated building that you refer to above is simply an outer physical representation of the inner reality of the Temple that YOU actually are. Inside of YOUR OWN Temple is the Altar and the Communion Rail, the hallowed ground of the Holy of Holies; the Ark of the Covenant, behind the Veil in the Tabernacle of The Lord.

Strive to enter by the Narrow Way. Become the High Priest that Jesus showed that you could and would become. Seek. Knock! Let the Door be opened to you!

And, YES! It is an honor to be called upon to spread the Word.

Rev. Ken
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Beautiful my brother and AMEN!
Repetition. Mantra.

Proven by the Ancient Hindus to be an effective method of teaching.

The imprint becomes a vehicle of guidance.

Useful for a time, until it comes time to step out of the safety of the boat....

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As we say in the TEC Book of Common Prayer at every Baptism. It seems to be perfectly clear statement of our practice and believe.

The Baptism

N., I baptize you in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

Let us pray.

Heavenly Father, we thank you that by water and the Holy Spirit you have bestowed upon these your servants the forgiveness of sin, and have raised them to the new life of grace. Sustain them, O Lord, in your Holy Spirit. Give them an inquiring and discerning heart, the courage to will and to
persevere, a spirit to know and to love you, and the gift of joy and wonder in all your works. Amen.
N., you are sealed by the Holy Spirit in Baptism and marked as Christ's own for ever. Amen.

Let us welcome the newly baptized.

Celebrant and People

We receive you into the household of God. Confess the faith of Christ crucified, proclaim his resurrection, and share with us in his eternal priesthood.
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In all of that, I read, "you don't need a building or people to worship ...". Say you like being part of a club. It's ok, clubs are nice things.

Calling me an idiot is hardly kind or godly. You get upset by someone telling you why the US is losing its religion? That is very funny. I think you and I can agree on one thing. There is a supreme being, no question about it. Is it the God that you claim or the Jesus Christ that you believe in? Maybe. Maybe not. "Let us create man in OUR image ..." Sounds plural to me. Even in old translations, this is direct. Was God talking to the mouse in his pocket or were there many gods?

People don't need the church anymore. This is the result of the abundance of online info as well as people simply being smarter and more suspicious about who they believe.

Your need for a building and a preacher and a story is good, for you. For a large majority it may not be. "...beware of false prophets ...". Especially those making a prophet.

Peace out!
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Profit ... Hahahah ... Sounds like a good hobby ... I've met a few who actually have jobs, I can respect that ...
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If I were in the preacher business, I'd use my resources and not only preach in person but online. Kidz don't care to talk, they want to text and chat + watch videos and reality shows. Easy to attract a lot of attention quickly. If I were in the preacher business.

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idgaf wrote:
In all of that, I read, "you don't need a building or people to worship ...". Say you like being part of a club. It's ok, clubs are nice things.
Calling me an idiot is hardly kind or godly. You get upset by someone telling you why the US is losing its religion? That is very funny. I think you and I can agree on one thing. There is a supreme being, no question about it. Is it the God that you claim or the Jesus Christ that you believe in? Maybe. Maybe not. "Let us create man in OUR image ..." Sounds plural to me. Even in old translations, this is direct. Was God talking to the mouse in his pocket or were there many gods?
People don't need the church anymore. This is the result of the abundance of online info as well as people simply being smarter and more suspicious about who they believe.
Your need for a building and a preacher and a story is good, for you. For a large majority it may not be. "...beware of false prophets ...". Especially those making a prophet.
Peace out!
While there IS a special charism called eremitism, religion IS social.
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You expect to practice religion as was done in medievil times and ask why you are failing to reach the lonely lost sheeple? Like all other things, if you expect to stay in business, and churches/religion are businesses, you must keep up with the times and technology.

In all seriousness, learn to adapt to technology or become obsolete. It's that simple.

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While there IS a special charism called eremitism, religion IS social.
Isn't it interesting that God said, "let Us make Man in Our image."

The Elohim. The word even evokes a mysterious multi-toned harmony, just to say it.

Our Universe is full of very, very old and distant galaxies that are apparently still regenerating hordes of new suns. How much Life there really must be!

Yeshua said, "Whenever two or three are gathered together in my name, there I shall be, also."

Yes, it IS social. The physical gathering place, over time, begins to take on an established vibration. It can offer different things and atmospheres at different times. Sometimes, the Temple or Church can be a place where an eremitious solitude can gently wash over the individual.

Other times, the gathering around the Baptismal font can be a source of incredibly powerful joy and love, wrapped in ancient ritual and spiritual mystery.

Still other times, the organ pipes vibrate in soothing streams followed by thunderous waves of the hymnal procession!

It is a real thing. No computer screen or Ipod can offer anything even nearly or as closely vibrant.

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Nicely presented, "RevKen". You can certainly write.

The affectives are nice, but neither intrinsic nor essential. They can frequently be a hindrance, and must never be used as litmus. Neither should tradition or mere age.

Idgaf is correct to a certain extent.

Wulfila did his finest work from a tent, and Yeshua from sandals.

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idgaf wrote:
In all of that, I read, "you don't need a building or people to worship ...". Say you like being part of a club. It's ok, clubs are nice things.
Calling me an idiot is hardly kind or godly. You get upset by someone telling you why the US is losing its religion? That is very funny. I think you and I can agree on one thing. There is a supreme being, no question about it. Is it the God that you claim or the Jesus Christ that you believe in? Maybe. Maybe not. "Let us create man in OUR image ..." Sounds plural to me. Even in old translations, this is direct. Was God talking to the mouse in his pocket or were there many gods?
People don't need the church anymore. This is the result of the abundance of online info as well as people simply being smarter and more suspicious about who they believe.
Your need for a building and a preacher and a story is good, for you. For a large majority it may not be. "...beware of false prophets ...". Especially those making a prophet.
Peace out!
You think church is a building while I think church is community.

We hold Shabbat at my house.

We have services at a lake.

It's the people who make the church:

1 Peter 2:5

5 you yourselves, as living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be cohanim set apart for God to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to him through Yeshua the Messiah.

You have your experiences and I have mine. Neither are wrong so why are you trying to convert others?

Is that how you would 'preach' love and compassion?

LOL..........

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You expect to practice religion as was done in medievil times and ask why you are failing to reach the lonely lost sheeple? Like all other things, if you expect to stay in business, and churches/religion are businesses, you must keep up with the times and technology.
In all seriousness, learn to adapt to technology or become obsolete. It's that simple.
You need a refresher course on how religion was presented in the Middle Ages.

It was the Dark Times and people were ignorant, purposely made so by the 'church'.

As I said before, we're not romans, we hold Scripture, tradition and REASON as our three legged stool.

Our God-given ability to use our brains is just as important as the rest.

Also, the ability to share sorrows with real life people is the only way to heal.

The ability to celebrate joyous occasions gives us hope.

Growth and study comes from sharing experiences.

I love my online community but I adore my real life one....

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God seems to be 'gender confused'. How is that possible?

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You think church is a building while I think church is community.
We hold Shabbat at my house.
We have services at a lake.
It's the people who make the church:
1 Peter 2:5
5 you yourselves, as living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be cohanim set apart for God to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to him through Yeshua the Messiah.
You have your experiences and I have mine. Neither are wrong so why are you trying to convert others?
Is that how you would 'preach' love and compassion?
LOL..........
As a sidebar: Did you know that in Koine somewhat, and in Hebrew Aramaic definitely, that in this usage, "living stones" is a play on words? A "living" stone is one that has not been shaped or squared.

In pre-temple times, an offering to the Father was made on an altar of "living stones", that is stones collected and fitted together without shaping or mortar. To do so requires careful appreciation for the uniquenesses of each stone, and precise placement in order to form a strong structure. One of the benefits of such altars is that the inevitable small gaps between the stone, however well placed, allowed for the movement of the breeze to feed the fire from within, making for a very hot, fast and efficient fire.

The author of 1 Peter was describing building a "place" of worship composed of individuals, each with their own unaltered shapes, strengths and imperfections, with the gaps providing the space for the wind of the spirit.

Just thought you might find that interesting.
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You feel that God will make contact with you around people. I feel that I do not need people to see God. We are talking about similar things. I wish not to convert you as I don't rightly care what you believe in as you are an individual soul. My comments are not geared to convincing you or converting you. I personally don't care what your religion is or what your beliefs are. My point was to inject "why faith is failing". Take it as you will. I honestly don't care if you believe or do not.

Being good godly people,with open minds, my thoughts are that you would take a second look and say, "wait a minute, maybe we are outdated and behind the curve ...". For all I know, you all have an online flock of magnitudes, but from the sounds of it, you don't. So, take what I say and do as you wish. I am surprised at how defensive people get when asking questions and not expecting to get feedback contrary to their personal beliefs.

Look for God anywhere and you will see Him if you truly believe that He is there. Pretend to see him and you will see nothing.

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