Why is faith falling in the US?

Why is faith falling in the US?

There are 277 comments on the Newsday story from Aug 21, 2012, titled Why is faith falling in the US?. In it, Newsday reports that:

A new poll suggests that atheism is on the rise in the US, while those who consider themselves religious has dropped ...

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“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#1 Aug 22, 2012
from Newsday:

"During the debate on transgender clerics, one bishop said the proposal, if adopted, would bring about theological confusion. Another rose to say that confusion is precisely why the measure should pass. As it did, easily.

"At a special communion service after the victories, a lesbian bishop of the church recited an offering prayer thanking the 'Spirit of Life' for 'disordering our boundaries' and asking the non-specific, non-patriarchal spectre 'to feel your laughter'.

"Laughter indeed - but not the sort the liberal bishop was looking for, I fear.

"This is not to make fun of the dignity of sexual minorities, but rather to marvel at the way these Episcopal elites run like lemmings of the cliffs of progressive extremes."

Since: Mar 09

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#2 Aug 22, 2012
I don't think that the undercurrent of "faith" itself has diminished, just in those institutions that use it.

"Faith" is a personal, dynamic and living process or it's empty and worthless. It is not subscription or adherence to a slate of dogmas or social dicta.

It IS an open-ended sense of something more that springs from a place within us that is foundationally real; something beneath everything else that is transitory and chimerical; something so true and certain that we take our next breath. How this may be articulated or expressed by other means is purely individual.

When the transitory and chimerical becomes so important, whether in the daily distractions and bling of our medium of living, by our mental constructs and the stories we tell ourselves such as traditions and dogmas, or by the struggles and worries over the mechanics of living, we can lose touch with our ground of being and it's inseparable interconnection and interdependence with all that is and from which our existence springs ... and from which the certainty that is "faith" springs.

We exist.

Does this have meaning?

I do.

So do you.

I have "faith" that it is entirely beyond, yet intimate with, any articulations on the question ... by anyone ever.

Since: Aug 09

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#3 Aug 22, 2012
snyper wrote:
I don't think that the undercurrent of "faith" itself has diminished, just in those institutions that use it.
"Faith" is a personal, dynamic and living process or it's empty and worthless. It is not subscription or adherence to a slate of dogmas or social dicta.
It IS an open-ended sense of something more that springs from a place within us that is foundationally real; something beneath everything else that is transitory and chimerical; something so true and certain that we take our next breath. How this may be articulated or expressed by other means is purely individual.
When the transitory and chimerical becomes so important, whether in the daily distractions and bling of our medium of living, by our mental constructs and the stories we tell ourselves such as traditions and dogmas, or by the struggles and worries over the mechanics of living, we can lose touch with our ground of being and it's inseparable interconnection and interdependence with all that is and from which our existence springs ... and from which the certainty that is "faith" springs.
We exist.
Does this have meaning?
I do.
So do you.
I have "faith" that it is entirely beyond, yet intimate with, any articulations on the question ... by anyone ever.
I often wonder if many of the so-called "atheists" among us would not more easily understand and identify with this last statement than many of the so-called "Christians" among us.

'I have "faith" that it is entirely beyond, yet intimate with, any articulations on the question ... by anyone ever.'

Jesus said something to the effect that, "If you know me, you know the Father who sent me."

How can anyone know Jesus? He was alive and well 2000 years ago. But, if you are to know Him today, do you know Him by the words and Teachings and the concepts presented in all of the scripture and other writings and musings about Him? Certainly, these help.

Or, do you actually know Him? Do you actually come to a point of personal contact with Him? For that matter, can a person actually come in contact with anyone who lived in the past? Or said a different way, does anyone who lived in the past continue to exist in the present, in either or both of some infinite or finite way. What animates and holds in existence for a time an identifiable being like you or me or Jesus, anyway?

Good questions to contemplate.

If such a contact is made with such an identifiable being, how does one experience or know that such a contact is real?

'I have "faith" that it is entirely beyond, yet intimate with, any articulations on the question ... by anyone ever.'

This articulation of intimacy hints at an unspeakable point of connection that becomes so personal, so real, that one cannot distinguish between such a wondrous idea of connection and one's very own self. No wonder the atheist rejects the crudish pronouncements of "I am a Christian" when such pronouncements are so often coupled with a vicious doctrine of separation and hypocrisy based upon a blind acceptance of authority vested in a book which is chock full of inconsistencies.

Rather, it is the unspeakable, personal, intimate point of connection - the "I am" - that is more real to the atheist, even if he or she cannot find any reason to regard "Being" as something infinitely interesting and alive with intelligence and love.

'I have "faith" that it is entirely beyond, yet intimate with, any articulations on the question ... by anyone ever.'

This "faith" must have something to do with appreciation.

Thank you, Snyper.

Rev. Ken

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

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#4 Aug 22, 2012
My personal belief is that people are falling away from organized religion mainly due to the negative attitude of the clergy. They appear to be spewing hatred from their pulpits, and in public, rather than teaching the love that is the real basis for most main-stream religions. If they were to get back to the basics, perhaps they could draw more people back to their churches. I like to believe that people, in general, are good and kind, and that they react to those messages. Yes, there are some that react to hatred, but I believe that that comes more from their personal circumstances, for they tend to blame the "others" in society when their circumstances deteriorate. But that is when the clergy should be teaching goodness, instead of exacerbating the bad. But then, I have a mostly uneducated view of religion, and very little use for the organized institutions.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#5 Aug 22, 2012
There is a difference between organized religion and spirituality.....
Clarence

Lund, Sweden

#6 Aug 22, 2012
Just another sign of the downfall of society. Less people with morals and values and more people just doing whatever they want, whenever they want it (homosexuals).

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

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#7 Aug 22, 2012
MiddleWay wrote:
There is a difference between organized religion and spirituality.....
I discovered that when I attended seminary for two years. I then quit my church, and never looked back.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#8 Aug 22, 2012
Clarence wrote:
Just another sign of the downfall of society. Less people with morals and values and more people just doing whatever they want, whenever they want it (homosexuals).
"No doubt the universe is unfolding as it should" - "Desiderata", Max Ehrman

Since: Mar 09

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#9 Aug 22, 2012
RevKen wrote:
<quoted text>
I often wonder if many of the so-called "atheists" among us would not more easily understand and identify with this last statement than many of the so-called "Christians" among us.
'I have "faith" that it is entirely beyond, yet intimate with, any articulations on the question ... by anyone ever.'
Jesus said something to the effect that, "If you know me, you know the Father who sent me."
How can anyone know Jesus? He was alive and well 2000 years ago. But, if you are to know Him today, do you know Him by the words and Teachings and the concepts presented in all of the scripture and other writings and musings about Him? Certainly, these help.
Or, do you actually know Him? Do you actually come to a point of personal contact with Him? For that matter, can a person actually come in contact with anyone who lived in the past? Or said a different way, does anyone who lived in the past continue to exist in the present, in either or both of some infinite or finite way. What animates and holds in existence for a time an identifiable being like you or me or Jesus, anyway?
Good questions to contemplate.
If such a contact is made with such an identifiable being, how does one experience or know that such a contact is real?
'I have "faith" that it is entirely beyond, yet intimate with, any articulations on the question ... by anyone ever.'
This articulation of intimacy hints at an unspeakable point of connection that becomes so personal, so real, that one cannot distinguish between such a wondrous idea of connection and one's very own self. No wonder the atheist rejects the crudish pronouncements of "I am a Christian" when such pronouncements are so often coupled with a vicious doctrine of separation and hypocrisy based upon a blind acceptance of authority vested in a book which is chock full of inconsistencies.
Rather, it is the unspeakable, personal, intimate point of connection - the "I am" - that is more real to the atheist, even if he or she cannot find any reason to regard "Being" as something infinitely interesting and alive with intelligence and love.
'I have "faith" that it is entirely beyond, yet intimate with, any articulations on the question ... by anyone ever.'
This "faith" must have something to do with appreciation.
Thank you, Snyper.
Rev. Ken
You understand, brother.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#10 Aug 23, 2012
RalphB wrote:
<quoted text>
I discovered that when I attended seminary for two years. I then quit my church, and never looked back.
I graduated and went to Rome to study.

That's when I left the roman bunch.

I love TEC where I can be spiritual as that's the goal of all of us.

Blessed journeys to you..........

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#11 Aug 23, 2012
Thanks to Snyper and Ken for inspiring me this hot summer morning....

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

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#12 Aug 23, 2012
MiddleWay wrote:
<quoted text>
I graduated and went to Rome to study.
That's when I left the roman bunch.
I love TEC where I can be spiritual as that's the goal of all of us.
Blessed journeys to you..........
And to you. I find I have been much more in tune with myself and others without the baggage of organized religion. But, I don't fault those who find meaning in it, provided it is positive meaning.

Since: Aug 09

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#13 Aug 23, 2012
MiddleWay wrote:
Thanks to Snyper and Ken for inspiring me this hot summer morning....
"Whenever two or three are gathered together in my name, there shall I be also."

Welcome, brother and friend.

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#14 Aug 23, 2012
MiddleWay wrote:
<quoted text>
I graduated and went to Rome to study.
That's when I left the roman bunch.
I love TEC where I can be spiritual as that's the goal of all of us.
Blessed journeys to you..........
And we ae very glad to have you where you are... wherever that may be.

May true Light, visible and invisible as necessary, be your guide and companion in Spirit.
Christian witness

Tulsa, OK

#15 Aug 23, 2012
Talk about misapplying Scriptures, you guys are the best at it, too bad you don't even know Jesus or his heavenly Father, Almighty God Jehovah.

The spirit that guides you and your thinking is not from above, it is from the god of this world, that spirit is in all religions except the Truth.

(1 Corinthians 2:14-16). . .But a physical man does not receive the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know [them], because they are examined spiritually.

2Corinthians 4:4

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#16 Aug 23, 2012
Faith is not failing; the misuse of it as a political tool of misdirection and manipulation is
Listen to the Word

Lake Havasu City, AZ

#17 Aug 23, 2012
There are several reasons for faith being on the decline in America.

One is that many professors innour institutions of
higher learning are decidedly anti-Christian.
I professor told me daughter's class that, if
they believed in Jesus as the start of his
course, they would not be the end of the
course. I know of many similar experiences.
Our secular colleges are killing the faith of
many young people.

A second reason is that churches are making fools
out of themselves. The liberal ones are right
down goofy and preaches messages other than
the Gospel. Even visitors who might be open
to join the church are turned off by religion
like "feeling your laughter." Too many
conservative churches have become so
legalistic as to control every person's life
and straightjacket every member to be clones
one of another. This makes them look like
religious zealots and fools.

A third reason is that in trying to be relevent
and culturally correct, churches have been
themselves irrelevent and church-culturally
incorrect. Most people of faith do not come
to church to have another dose of what they
hear in the public media. They come to hear
God speak to them about their spiritual
lives as he reassures them of his love, his
forgiveness, and his strength for their daily
living.

A fourth reason is that too many churches are
emasculated and feminized to the point where
the place reeks of estrogen the minute you
walk in the door. There is nothing wrong
with both men and women serving in their
churches. However, in some places women have
completely taken over and the men have
dropped out of any meaning role in the church.
While unpopular to say this, it is a fact!

A fifth reason is the most obvious. The Bible says
that there will be a great falling away
before the end of the world. This is
obviously not a falling away of unbelievers
but of believers. How great is this falling
away of believers. Jesus asked, "When the Son
of Man returns, will he find faith in the
earth?" The question ought to haunt the church
as it moves away from the Bible into being
politically correct and driving away its
people as TEC has been doing so effectively.
why

São Paulo, Brazil

#18 Aug 23, 2012
the sky is fallin?

Lililth_Satans_B ore

Since: May 12

Bellevue, WA

#19 Aug 23, 2012
Listen to the Word wrote:
There are several reasons for faith being on the decline in America.
One is that many professors innour institutions of
higher learning are decidedly anti-Christian.
I professor told me daughter's class that, if
they believed in Jesus as the start of his
course, they would not be the end of the
course. I know of many similar experiences.
Our secular colleges are killing the faith of
many young people.
A second reason is that churches are making fools
out of themselves. The liberal ones are right
down goofy and preaches messages other than
the Gospel. Even visitors who might be open
to join the church are turned off by religion
like "feeling your laughter." Too many
conservative churches have become so
legalistic as to control every person's life
and straightjacket every member to be clones
one of another. This makes them look like
religious zealots and fools.
A third reason is that in trying to be relevent
and culturally correct, churches have been
themselves irrelevent and church-culturally
incorrect. Most people of faith do not come
to church to have another dose of what they
hear in the public media. They come to hear
God speak to them about their spiritual
lives as he reassures them of his love, his
forgiveness, and his strength for their daily
living.
A fourth reason is that too many churches are
emasculated and feminized to the point where
the place reeks of estrogen the minute you
walk in the door. There is nothing wrong
with both men and women serving in their
churches. However, in some places women have
completely taken over and the men have
dropped out of any meaning role in the church.
While unpopular to say this, it is a fact!
A fifth reason is the most obvious. The Bible says
that there will be a great falling away
before the end of the world. This is
obviously not a falling away of unbelievers
but of believers. How great is this falling
away of believers. Jesus asked, "When the Son
of Man returns, will he find faith in the
earth?" The question ought to haunt the church
as it moves away from the Bible into being
politically correct and driving away its
people as TEC has been doing so effectively.
the real reason fucktard is two things... one your exclusion practices have done just that pushed equallity minded americans away from your intolerance and hate and two... grown adults who are educated don't meed an imaginary fairytale mythical superstition ... sorry
Willie

France

#20 Aug 23, 2012
Clarence wrote:
Just another sign of the downfall of society. Less people with morals and values and more people just doing whatever they want, whenever they want it (homosexuals).
Well said!

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